Question: Why is it always held against Kobe that he played with Shaq when Magic had Kareem?

[JYoung24]

Watching games would lead to the same LeBron>Kobe conclusion.

no the fukk it wouldnt

 

[JYoung24]

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Hakeem was one of the best all-around players in history. Prime Hakeem was absolutely dominant on both sides of the ball and had virtually no flaws in his game. He would step up in the playoffs every year, one of the few superstars in history who got MORE dominant in playoff time. His shytty supporting casts really hurt his legacy, but the title runs in 1994 and 1995 were extraordinary. I have Hakeem in my top-5 and you could make an argument for #4.

Can we put Duncan's greatness in the correct context. He was a top 5 player from 98-05. He wasn't an elite player after 07.

Kobe was a top 5 player from 00-13.

Kobe is 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs. When they matched up I never felt Tim was the best player on the court. Kobe snatches his soul too many times, hence him being the Spurs Killer.

Duncan was regarded later in his career bc the talent pool of big men weakened compared to 90s & early 00s.

Kobe was a top 3 player overall in year 17 and the only thing that held Kob back from more accolades was Mr. Pringle's (playing him to the point he tore his Achilles).

Kobe won a gold medal while Tim won bronze. I'm done.

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exactly theres no reason these dikkheads should have duncan ahead of kobe

 

[JYoung24]

I was already aware that in Kobestan, things like efficiency, leadership, and making the right play aren't considered attributes.




You do realize that outside of the Laker bubble, NO ONE thinks that "didn't defend his title" is actually a thing to care about.

Duncan got hurt in 2000, Ginobli got hurt in 2008, he was one play away from back-to-back titles in 2013/2014 and that one play was totally out of his control...shyt happens.

The idea that if Duncan won in 1999/2004/2005/2007/2014 he would be better than Kobe, but he's not because he only won in 1999/2003/2005/2007/2014.




Because the missed shots he puts up, especially the explicitly bad shots, often outweigh those other contributions.

Especially as he's very inconsistent in crashing the boards or making plays. And he often just keeps shooting, even when he's shooting like shyt and others are hot, so so much for being a decoy. The Lakers literally lost the 2004 championship because of that. Bird never shot the Celtics out of a title.

kobe had leadership and he was efficient

 

[VBM]

duncan and hakeem are not better then him foh hes sonned duncan too many times while duncan when was in his prime that debate was over back then it wasnt til years later people started disrespecting kobe putting nikkas like duncan ahead of him

actually 4-3 since Kobe lost to Duncan in 2013 (so shook of TD he ain't even take the floor crying about some fake achilles injury )

actually 4-4 since Kobe avoided the playoffs altogether in 2005...in his prime :donhomer:

 

[DropTopDoc]

You Kobe nikkas are a trip, who’s really criticizing Kobe for playing with Shaq, the fact is it was a perfect pair, and Shaq was the man until Kobe stepped into his own, then jealousy ended a good run for them, when magic came to la Kareem was in the twilight of his career and magic did more than Kareem did, it was Magic’s team and he was the dominant player from day one, no one is going to say Kareem was in his prime with magic

And for the last time can we quit with this alpha talk, you dudes know nothing of these dudes mentality, you just basing it off of basketball moves you condone or hate

But while you all are quick to call Kobe an alpha and bron a bytch

Kobe took brandy to the prom whilst clapping her cheeks, the fukk you taking her out for she was an undercover thot at that time and either he knew and still took her out or was too stupid to figure it out, and I’m giving him the benefit of doubt because again she was an undercover thot

Kobe marries a woman he met and dated off of a Video set

Cheated on his wife with a terrible white woman in Colorado

Does a press conference apologizing to get in her good graces and his sponsors, then buys her a million dollar ring

But this the “Alpha” y’all swear by

 

[JYoung24]

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How are the bolded better than Kobe? Please explain.

shyt how is bron and magic and shaq better then kobe too

 

[Professor Emeritus]

actually 4-3 since Kobe lost to Duncan in 2013 (so shook of TD he ain't even take the floor crying about some fake achilles injury )

actually 4-4 since Kobe avoided the playoffs altogether in 2005...in his prime :donhomer:

That's the thing, Kobe never had to face Duncan in any of the years when he had a dominant team (2005-2007 and 2013-2014), but Duncan with no other all-stars loses three times to peak Kobe and Shaq combined and that's supposed to show something. If Kobe had managed to play well enough to face them he'd only be 4-7 head-to-head...but in Kobestan math he gets extra credit for losing earlier.

Losing to Duncan in 1999 and 2003 is more embarrassing than any of Duncan's loses.

 

[JYoung24]

In what context tho? As him being one of their personal favorites, or in a actual historical perspective demonstrating the hierarchy of all time greats?

Cuz I’m sure more former players and people in general name Kobe on all time list before Duncan because of the Lakers lure and his mamba mentality, but Bean wasn’t quite on his level.

bean was better then duncan bro stop

 

[VBM]

That's the thing, Kobe never had to face Duncan in any of the years when he had a dominant team (2005-2007 and 2013-2014), but Duncan with no other all-stars loses three times to peak Kobe and Shaq combined and that's supposed to show something. If Kobe had managed to play well enough to face them he'd only be 4-7 head-to-head...but in Kobestan math he gets extra credit for losing earlier.

Losing to Duncan in 1999 and 2003 is more embarrassing than any of Duncan's loses.

Bruh 2001 Spurs starting backcourt after the Derek Anderson injury against the Mavs was Terry Porter and Antonio Daniels

 

[NYC Rebel]

Kobe was leading the scoring half way thru the season and probably could've dropped 32+ppg that year but Phil told him to dial it back so Shaq stays engaged. He was clearly the best player on the Lakers from that point on and probably best in the league. If Kobe never played with Shaq he wouldn't have as many titles but his early career stats would've been ridiculous

Only thing clear here is your lying.

 

[JYoung24]

I already reiterated that Hakeem is the one Kobe isn’t really near.

But then again y’all probably think Kobe is close to MJ just because he imitated his style.


Typical coli nikka rhetoric when they don’t have any argument

kobe is better then hakeem stop

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

KOBE WAS A KILLER!!!!! WHO QUESTIONS THIS?????
KOBEYONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JYoung24]

What's the problem with being top 15, MJ is top 15, Lebron is top 15, Magic is top 15.

thats means theres a chance he could be lower then 10 hes not close tl be lower then 10 he should be top 5

 

[old boy]

Imagine being back in 2001 again and having someone seriously suggest this bullshyt.

Shaq was widely considered the most dominant player in the game, possibly the most dominant ever, while Kobe barely even showed up on the MVP ballot and didn't even make 1st-team All-NBA.

Imagine 2001 Shaq getting outscored by 10 by his Finals matchup.

i see... do you personally consider shaquille the most dominant player in nba history? who do you think was the best player in 2001?


and i'm more than willing to concede that i have no raw numbers to back up my bold claim bro. kobe played within a system that was predicated towards and built around shaq's talents and not his. jax preached inside outside basketball from day one. which makes sense to me because you have a top 50 seven footer smack dab in his prime vs. a young precocious perimeter player who was known for turning the ball over as much as his amazing highlights. but by jax's 2nd season it was clear to me who was the best player on that laker team and it wasn't shaq

 

[Controversy]

Kareem needed magic to sustain his career, lakers went to the finals as soon as magic arrived and went to the finals after kareem retired

magic won 3 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's in that same span. kareem 1 league mvp 1 finals mvp kobe 00000000 anything

shaq and magic were the engines of the lakers dynasties you can't rewrite history sorry

Too bad Shaq couldn't be an engine vs SA & in 4th quarters