Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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I don't think anybody's every mistaken me for an e-thug.

But you seem really, really upset about something.

Why don't you just get a little more familiar with the source material, and then join the conversation armed with facts and/or experience -- rather than making shyt up like a child with a coloring book, and then getting way way deep in your feelings?


Seems so much easier, yanno, with google at your fingertips.

:blessed:


You seem to have some deep-seated issues with penii and potentially your father. Phone a friend, breh. Keep that shyt to yourself.

I'm pretty much only checking in on this thread on the The Coli, now and then. Please don't ruin that with your weird fetishized hatred, poor posting, lack of analysis, and name calling.

If you decide you wanna settle it offline, name a time and a place, and I'll be sure to take pictures of you from a secure location, and clown you on the internet.

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I see you have nothing to say as usual ol sensitive a$$ Drake. You're a known puss for trying to start fights over the internet here. Only a punk would continually do what you behind a keyboard. And for the record, I used to live in East Harlem. 120th 3rd Ave to be exact right around of the corner from the Kennedy Fried Chicken place. So you keep cyber thugging thinking you're tough flexing your E-Muscles because I wont' be giving you the attention you crave so much

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This is just ridiculous. What job do you not get fired at if your performance is terrible and you're NOT doing what the boss wants? Which in this case was to win some ball games.

His "rotations" didn't allow players to establish any kind of rhythm before they were benched for long stretches of games or removed from the lineup altogether with no rhyme or reason. So I guess his "rotations" kinda did make them shoot like trash. His "rotations" made him leave Jose and Sasha on the floor for extended periods of time even tho they were getting cooked. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about the concept of "working" the referees. A good coach will always try to get a feel for the officiating. You don't coach basketball so maybe that's why that example made you LOL. You don't have to berate referee's to get calls. In fact that will get you the opposite. My point is that he appeared to never have anything to say. To anyone. Don't focus on just the referee statement or pretend I implied they are supposed to "listen" to him.

He shouldn't have. Gallo shoulda been starting with Calderon. Vujacic is in no other rotation in the league much less a starter.

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Don't lump me in with that "Y'all". I've been critical of Phil from day 1 saying that if he insists on the squad running the triangle, he should coach it himself. I'm not feeling Rambis and I'm not feeling another puppet next season. This is not a terrible roster. It has some balance. With a real playmaker and a competent coach they'd have a better record. We lost too many close games, came up short in too many 4th quarters, and came out not ready to play too many times for Fisher not to be partially responsible. Personally I think you're on some Gloria Govan shyt when it comes to Fish and you're not thinking correctly. :shaq:

See I agree with this! Completely! If Fish was doing a half competent job I'd be calling BS all day on his firing. I gave him a pass last season. But he had an NBA roster this year. He didn't know what to do with it. If he was white I'da still been calling for his head.

You responded without answering my questions (example: what stopped Phil from intervening if Fish didn't do what he wanted? Answer is nothing because what he wanted was to force the Triangle on a roster that doesn't fit it). You didn't respond to my statements about people not making shots and not defending. Didn't respond to my statement that refs aren't gonna listen to him. If they don't listen when 'Melo puts them on blast, they won't listen when Fish does it. And you're lying on him when you say he says "nothing" to refs. He's been thrown out of games for arguing calls.

Gallo and Grant were "getting cooked" right along with Sasha and Jose. And no, he shouldn't have started Gallo because that would've severely weakened the bench, especially with D-Will shooting the way he was (and he's shooting like trash again).

It's a good roster, just not for the offense Phil insists on running. Every coach is partially responsible for some losses. Doesn't mean they should lose their job. Kerr's team doesn't even play defense. They just outscore teams. NY was accused of that in their best season in 15 years (2012-2013 season). Yet, people want Luke. Fish had them playing defense for most of the season, kept them competing in games they should have been blown out of because of their competition and schedule, dealt with injuries all season. He didn't deserve to lose his job.

If I'm attracted to Fish, then I must be attracted to the whole team because I've defended all of them, including Jose and Sasha.
 

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How hard is it for people to understand that Melo has a NTC, he's NOT going anywhere unless he wants too, and he doesn't. Give the trade Melo talk a rest
He should want to leave, that's the point. I still feel like we can fool people into giving us a good deal for him.
 

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Really? According to Zema we are highly competitive and need Derek back to bring a championship.

I didn't know I said that. Quote? The bolded portion of your post only affirms what I did say, which was that the roster not fitting the offense is the problem — not the coach. Can't refute what I said, so you resort to lying. I see you. :ehh:
 
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When I look at what our roster, cap space and assets looked like the day he signed up...and I look at where our roster, cap space and assets are now...I'd give Phil a solid B grade.

He put last season's roster together and had to scrap it. Now he'll have to scrap another roster he put together because they don't fit the offense he insists on running. The cap space was already gonna be big. What has he really done besides tank for KP? The front office tanked for Trash Hardaway Jr., but no one expected him to be this bad.
Thibs isn't my example of premature canning; he's an example of NBA politics getting coaches fired (think Kidd and the Brooklyn drama). Thibs had 5 seasons and won less than 50 games one time and they probably overachieved for most of those seasons under him and he still managed to get dropped for Hoiberg who has Chicago on pace to be pretty much in the same spot (but he has a better roster imo).

The premature firings though have been happening for a while too though. Karl and Blatt are both guys I don't like as coaches, but they one is on the hot seat and the other is out because of player politics. Hornacek is a guy I thought did pretty well, but he had 0 PG's due to injuries and he's out a job. Lionel Hollins is another coach I think does a solid job and got jerked prematurely. This ish is happening all over the place.

This is related to the rant but separate. I have no solid proof on this ish, but I think that coaches and players having the same agents is playing into this. Star players have their agents linking them with coaches all over the place. Luke Walton is repped by the same crew that reps Westbrook...he'd have been sought after for that reason even without the interim coach run he just had imo.

Blatt was fired because he wasn't supposed to coach a contender. He was hired before Lj came back. He's a terrible coach. Clueless about the NBA game (I go in to a little more detail here: http://www.thecoli.com/posts/17381774/). Karl has the most 1st round exits of all coaches and has been fired several times. Never followed Hornacek, so I can't speak on him.
 
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You responded without answering my questions (example: what stopped Phil from intervening if Fish didn't do what he wanted? Answer is nothing because what he wanted was to force the Triangle on a roster that doesn't fit it). You didn't respond to my statements about people not making shots and not defending. Didn't respond to my statement that refs aren't gonna listen to him. If they don't listen when 'Melo puts them on blast, they won't listen when Fish does it. And you're lying on him when you say he says "nothing" to refs. He's been thrown out of games for arguing calls.

Gallo and Grant were "getting cooked" right along with Sasha and Jose. And no, he shouldn't have started Gallo because that would've severely weakened the bench, especially with D-Will shooting the way he was (and he's shooting like trash again).

It's a good roster, just not for the offense Phil insists on running. Every coach is partially responsible for some losses. Doesn't mean they should lose their job. Kerr's team doesn't even play defense. They just outscore teams. NY was accused of that in their best season in 15 years (2012-2013 season). Yet, people want Luke. Fish had them playing defense for most of the season, kept them competing in games they should have been blown out of because of their competition and schedule, dealt with injuries all season. He didn't deserve to lose his job.

If I'm attracted to Fish, then I must be attracted to the whole team because I've defended all of them, including Jose and Sasha.

:dwillhuh: :snoop:One day I'm gonna learn to stop quoting you...

I addressed everything you said. I guess not in a manner you liked so you're pretending you don't see all my replies in bold. I specifically clarified the ref thing that I told you you were reading wrong. But ok sure. You're right. I'm "lying" on him. He's a great coach. :shaq2:
 

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And for the record, I used to live in East Harlem. 120th 3rd Ave to be exact right around of the corner from the Kennedy Fried Chicken place.

I live in East Harlem right now. How convenient.


But as usual, a sensitive innanet poster like yourself can't even deal with somebody correcting your factual mistakes without resorting to name-calling and feelings-ing all over the board.

For the record, Jeff Van Gundy was and is still known as one of the best analytical basketball minds in the world. He was KNOWN for in-game adjustments, especially on defense. And the truth is, anybody that watched his teams, or even did a CURSORY google search on the subject would be able to find that out.

Yes, he quit the knicks. But he was also well on his way to being fired, and dealing with management that was undermining him. So he walked. He didn't stick around and wait to get fired, coaching a lame-duck season like so many other Knick coaches after him.

If you want to project your abandonment issues onto JVG coaching an NBA team, that's on you -- but it doesn't replace facts or analysis. He had bad rosters in New York, and coaxed them into usefulness, and his Houston teams were led by two oft-injured stars and a cast of straight up bums. Including years where the third best player was Rafer Alston -- who had the best stretch of his career under Jeff Van Gundy, who gave up the reins of the offense to skip and tmac, and called fewer plays from the sideline, because he realized that was the only way Alston would be useful.

So it's all whatever, right? This is a tangent, but I'm using the tangent to highlight the fact that there are posters like you on this board, that get off on calling people fakkits and fantasizing in text about dikk sucking.

It's weird, and sad, and would mostly be solved if you just watched a little bit of basketball, and didn't come across like a clown in casual conversation.


But JVG isn't getting hired by the Knicks, so that's not really a big deal. And BECAUSE Thibs is a JVG-disciple, I think it might also be surprising to see him get hired.

Though I guess we can hope.

And saying you lived next to the Kennedy Fried Chicken in Harlem is like saying you live next to the Starbucks in the West Village.

But keep talking tuff on the web, your life seems sad and small.
 
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