Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Cory MBA]

Wade - has won 3 titles for the Heat and they didn't even give him a multi-year contract, he's on a 1 year deal right now

Duncan - 5 time Champion and is elite defensively, the Spurs defense is reliant on Kawhi and Tim (number 1 defense in league)

LeBron - Still elite, do I really need to go in depth?

Kyrie - Some Cavs fans have said they should trade him, he's the sidekick too.

CP3 - The Clipper fans on this board have been wanted him traded, and other posters have said they should move him as well.

KD - Better than Melo in every way & younger than him.


You got a dude like Wade who the Heat are reluctant to commit to and he's done more for their team than Melo has done And most importantly, all of these guys are on winning teams and have been on winning teams the last couple years, with the exception of Kyrie who is his teams number 2.

What has Melo done for the Knicks to warrant him being brought up with multi-time champs? I could see if he were Kobe and has won 5 rings for an organization and you have to keep him out of respect.

I see your perspective.

What are your thoughts on Tony Parker? Ginoboli? Diaw? Surely they are on the decline and can be traded for some younger assets too.

If the Spurs had a poppin thread, I would troll y'all back breh. :mjcolombo:

Lebron is elite but it only gets worse from here. Durant, I like him, but he is one foot injury away from being questionable.

They all can get this criticism breh.

As for Kawhi, I have never, ever heard him speak. That's besides the point though. I saw the new commercial and just thought about that this weekend. That needs to be investigated breh. Might be a Harvin Marrison situation there.

:lbafro:

What has Melo done though? Not much in the way of winning. But someone had to try. Most of the other guys would have deflated under the NY pressure and organizational instability.

We look good right now. We have Melo, a promising rookie in KP, alright young talent at the guard and big positions. That setup along with a positive season could draw interest from stars looking to leave their little ponds. But if they don't, we are still alright.

Its still Knicks all-day.

 

[Malta]

I see your perspective.

What are your thoughts on Tony Parker? Ginoboli? Diaw? Surely they are on the decline and can be traded for some younger assets too.

If the Spurs had a poppin thread, I would troll y'all back breh. :mjcolombo:

Lebron is elite but it only gets worse from here. Durant, I like him, but he is one foot injury away from being questionable.

They all can get this criticism breh.

As for Kawhi, I have never, ever heard him speak. That's besides the point though. I saw the new commercial and just thought about that this weekend. That needs to be investigated breh. Might be a Harvin Marrison situation there.

:lbafro:

What has Melo done though? Not much in the way of winning. But someone had to try. Most of the other guys would have deflated under the NY pressure and organizational instability.

We look good right now. We have Melo, a promising rookie in KP, alright young talent at the guard and big positions. That setup along with a positive season could draw interest from stars looking to leave their little ponds. But if they don't, we are still alright.

Its still Knicks all-day.

If the Spurs were losing right now and it had been three years since they made the playoffs you better believe people would be saying to move Manu, Diaw and Parker for younger players. None of those guys are maxed out players being built around either


Go into the thread about the Grizzlies, almost everyone agrees they should move Marc Gasol, and he's been a more successful player for Memphis than Melo. Breh, I got flashbacks of Marbury in the park yelling out "We got Zach Randolph" when you wrote "We have Melo"

 

[KOBE]

the argument that y'all have no pick and thus tanking this season makes some sense, but trading him now also gives you the most out of melo. he is on the decline and the longer he's on the decline means the more value he'll end up losing.

no you won't get the same deal for melo in the offseason that you would now because title windows close. heat/rockets are competing THIS season, shyt can change next season and they might not need Melo(especially if howard leaves the rockets for whatever reason). you get maximum value for melo right now opposed to later, again since he would be one year older and you know other GMs have noticed his decline as well.

there's no reason to treadmill which is what yall are basically begging for with melo. you won't even treadmill to the playoffs, you'll be on the outside looking in so i fail to see why not just move him now opposed to later and let porzingis develop as the number one option.

 

[Liquid]

Wade - has won 3 titles for the Heat and they didn't even give him a multi-year contract, he's on a 1 year deal right now

Duncan - 5 time Champion and is elite defensively, the Spurs defense is reliant on Kawhi and Tim (number 1 defense in league)

LeBron - Still elite, do I really need to go in depth?

Kyrie - Some Cavs fans have said they should trade him, he's the sidekick too.

CP3 - The Clipper fans on this board have been wanted him traded, and other posters have said they should move him as well.

KD - Better than Melo in every way & younger than him.


You got a dude like Wade who the Heat are reluctant to commit to and he's done more for their team than Melo has done And most importantly, all of these guys are on winning teams and have been on winning teams the last couple years, with the exception of Kyrie who is his teams number 2.

What has Melo done for the Knicks to warrant him being brought up with multi-time champs? I could see if he were Kobe and has won 5 rings for an organization and you have to keep him out of respect.

Breh, Its incredible how this fan base is holding on to that single 54 win season and 1 MVP vote keeping LeBron from not winning unanimous MVP. I'm surprised de Blasio hasn't given Melo a key to the city at this point with the way some of these cats are going crazy to keep him.

shyt is insane to me and we consider ourselves one of the smartest fan bases in the whole league

But then again, many wanted to keep JR Smith as the #2 option because he was unusually hot that one year, won 6th man and couldn't control himself in the playoffs

 

[storyteller]

I want more than a 6-8th seed in the playoffs

So do I, but there was no realistic way to get further than that in one offseason after a 17 win season. We got a ton of cap space this coming off season and time is on our side now since we have youth, moveable contracts and all our picks in the future. Trading Melo now won't get us higher than the 6-8th seed this season and imho we'll get more for him in the offseason when it'll be easier to provoke a bidding war with the teams that miss out on Durant.

 

[Liquid]

So do I, but there was no realistic way to get further than that in one offseason after a 17 win season. We got a ton of cap space this coming off season and time is on our side now since we have youth, moveable contracts and all our picks in the future. Trading Melo now won't get us higher than the 6-8th seed this season and imho we'll get more for him in the offseason when it'll be easier to provoke a bidding war with the teams that miss out on Durant.

I'm not even entertaining that off-season idea, no way we get more in return after this subpar season from him.

We can use that money for better role players if we are in the Durant sweepstakes. You want Melo and Durant on the same team? I can't see that working out.

 

[storyteller]

I'm not even entertaining that off-season idea, no way we get more in return after this subpar season from him.

We can use that money for better role players if we are in the Durant sweepstakes. You want Melo and Durant on the same team? I can't see that working out.

6th in apg and rpg among SF's and 4th among SF's (12th overall actually) in scoring when he hasn't even gotten his legs back yet...even this subpar season has him among the most productive and dynamic small forwards in the league as well as one of the highest scorers in the league. A team that needs scoring or wants a star will give Melo a long hard look. He's locked up on a pre-cap increase contract making his max more reasonable than what's to come from now on. If they want him at the deadline, they'll look again in the offseason...except all the teams that are conserving cap space for a Kevin Durant or Al Horford and missed out will now be looking at alternatives. So when I bring up Durant, I don't mean Durant coming to the Knicks; I mean Durant only picking one out of a collection of suitors who were factoring in a scoring forward with good range and leaving a handful of teams searching.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Someone please tell me a recent team that got better trading a superstar for pieces and first round draft picks. I'm waiting.

It's a stat geek myth that just got the Sixers gm effectively fired. Celtics? Trash and unwatchable. Their best player is 5'8. Nuggets? Lotto team. Kings? Can't get on track even with a superstar. It doesn't work and it's stupid. You make KP the focal point this season and he will never reach his potential.

 

[KOBE]

Someone please tell me a recent team that got better trading a superstar for pieces and first round draft picks. I'm waiting.

denver nuggets when they traded carmelo anthony.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

denver nuggets when they traded carmelo anthony.

They got better? They haven't played meaningful basketball since he left. Ask Denver fans if they want Melo back. Or ask Utah how that Deron Williams trade went.

 

[KOBE]

They got better? They haven't played meaningful basketball since he left. Ask Denver fans if they want Melo back. Or ask Utah how that Deron Williams trade went.

utah got derrick favors out of that trade and they look set to be an awesome team in the declining west for awhile now. they also got kanter out of that trade, but he turned out pretty badly, still a top 3p ick.

nuggets on their best season since the 70's 2 years after trading melo and now they're in rebuild mode. 57-25 is a better record than any Melo led team has ever gotten. i don't think any nuggets fan would want melo back, why would they?

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

utah got derrick favors out of that trade and they look set to be an awesome team in the declining west for awhile now. they also got kanter out of that trade, but he turned out pretty badly, still a top 3p ick.

nuggets on their best season since the 70's 2 years after trading melo and now they're in rebuild mode. 57-25 is a better record than any Melo led team has ever gotten. i don't think any nuggets fan would want melo back, why would they?

Derrick Favors has been in Utah for 5 years and they have yet to make the playoffs. They won't make it this year either. "Turned out pretty badly but still a top 3 pick" means it didn't work. Deron was in the playoffs almost every year with the nets.

The nuggets are terrible. Unwatchable basketball with no box office players stuck trying to push a point guard who can't shoot as the next star. They've Been through 3 coaches since Melo left. Nuggets fans would rather watch a star every night than Faried make hustle plays while they're down 20.

You all saw what the Knicks looked like last year without Melo. You think trading the best player for some role players would actually help? That's ESPN talk.

 

[KOBE]

Derrick Favors has been in Utah for 5 years and they have yet to make the playoffs. They won't make it this year either. "Turned out pretty badly but still a top 3 pick" means it didn't work. Deron was in the playoffs almost every year with the nets.

The nuggets are terrible. Unwatchable basketball with no box office players stuck trying to push a point guard who can't shoot as the next star. They've Been through 3 coaches since Melo left. Nuggets fans would rather watch a star every night than Faried make hustle plays while they're down 20.

You all saw what the Knicks looked like last year without Melo. You think trading the best player for some role players would actually help? That's ESPN talk.

utah made the playoffs 4 years ago and had a winning record the year after that. it's not their fault they've had an incredibly young team in an ultra-competitive west. deron went to the playoffs in a historically weak eastern conference and then was WAIVED, not traded, but WAIVED by the nets due to his poor production on the team. meanwhile utah has a solid core with exum/hayward/favors/gobert/alec burks/hood.

the nuggets just started doing poorly last season. fukk off with your revision shyt when they were competing directly after him being traded. then gallo went through injury problems, as well as chandler, they declined(and they wanted to move on from karl due to his lack of post-season success).

knicks also traded shump/jr and anything decent off their team because they wanted to lose and they got porzingis out of it. trying to make up last season as an excuse to not trade melo is pretty dumb when you ended up with porzingis out of it.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Derrick Favors has been in Utah for 5 years and they have yet to make the playoffs. They won't make it this year either. "Turned out pretty badly but still a top 3 pick" means it didn't work. Deron was in the playoffs almost every year with the nets.

The nuggets are terrible. Unwatchable basketball with no box office players stuck trying to push a point guard who can't shoot as the next star. They've Been through 3 coaches since Melo left. Nuggets fans would rather watch a star every night than Faried make hustle plays while they're down 20.

You all saw what the Knicks looked like last year without Melo. You think trading the best player for some role players would actually help? That's ESPN talk.

Some coli cats love playing GM so they can sound like they know what they're talking about on here. I think Melo will improve as the season goes on and will help KPs development.Now I'm not talking about @Liquid on this one but with the trade Melo rhetoric their is no guarantee we will improve from some young talent and picks that may comeback to us. Plus we have no picks this year!! Thanks bargnani

 

[OsO]

I would trade Melo right now for Winslow, G. Green and a 1st rounder.

I can't see a good trade scenario with the Rockets. Terrance Jones? Ty Lawson?

I also think Galloway should get the majority of minutes at guard (30-35) while Calderon gets 15-20 mins. I would even try and package Jose, Seraphin, and one more player to a team that needs to upgrade their bench.

With the right players getting minutes, a tighter rotation, and a re-dedication to the defensive end I think this team could easily make the playoffs. And they could compete with anyone in a 7-game series minus the Cavs.