Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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utah made the playoffs 4 years ago and had a winning record the year after that. it's not their fault they've had an incredibly young team in an ultra-competitive west. deron went to the playoffs in a historically weak eastern conference and then was WAIVED, not traded, but WAIVED by the nets due to his poor production on the team. meanwhile utah has a solid core with exum/hayward/favors/gobert/alec burks/hood.

the nuggets just started doing poorly last season. fukk off with your revision shyt when they were competing directly after him being traded. then gallo went through injury problems, as well as chandler, they declined(and they wanted to move on from karl due to his lack of post-season success).

knicks also traded shump/jr and anything decent off their team because they wanted to lose and they got porzingis out of it. trying to make up last season as an excuse to not trade melo is pretty dumb when you ended up with porzingis out of it.
Nuggets were competing? Against who? The same nuggets team that Andrew Bynum disrespected in the playoffs ("close out games are easy").

They have never been a threat to win anything since Melo left. Being a 7 seed is worth watching role players play up and down all season? It's a garbage product. Melo made them a compelling team every night. You think Porzingis and some role player like nic Batum is good product? A guy like him is worth Melo? Because that's who you're gonna get.

Utah has had a "solid core" for 3 years. I've heard the same thing from guys like Tim legler and Zach Lowe since 2013 (these guys are the next out the west! Watch out!) the west is down this year and they still aren't doing anything. Bet you they wish they had D will next to Hayward and Gobert.

If melo is so bad why would the Knicks trade him if they're objective should be to lose on purpose for another high pick? Shouldn't he help that cause?

Porzingis and Mid first round pick competing next year? Year after that? Come on man.
 

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you would think the 76ers would scare ppl off from the tank/lets collect draft picks thing
but evidently not
funny this is, if knicks were to trade melo knick fans would crying next season that porzingas needs some help and we need to pick up a star to help him:mjlol:

then once we eventually pick up a player with potential and he starts having bettter games than porzingis, the argument will change to " We need to trade porzingis! its so and so's team now, trade him now while he has high value::mjlol:

the cycle continues, rinse and repeat
 

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I would trade Melo right now for Winslow, G. Green and a 1st rounder.

I can't see a good trade scenario with the Rockets. Terrance Jones? Ty Lawson? :camby:

I also think Galloway should get the majority of minutes at guard (30-35) while Calderon gets 15-20 mins. I would even try and package Jose, Seraphin, and one more player to a team that needs to upgrade their bench.

With the right players getting minutes, a tighter rotation, and a re-dedication to the defensive end I think this team could easily make the playoffs. And they could compete with anyone in a 7-game series minus the Cavs.
You aren't serious?
 

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you would think the 76ers would scare ppl off from the tank/lets collect draft picks thing
but evidently not
funny this is, if knicks were to trade melo knick fans would crying next season that porzingas needs some help and we need to pick up a star to help him:mjlol:

then once we eventually pick up a player with potential and he starts having bettter games than porzingis, the argument will change to " We need to trade porzingis! its so and so's team now, trade him now while he has high value::mjlol:

the cycle continues, rinse and repeat
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You're right! Perfectly explained.

I'm using this argument.

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Why is this thread so focused on trading Melo? It's not going to happen. It's not even a little likely because of NTC. What baffles me is that people don't realize Melo being on this team is actually better for the future as well.

You don't think Porzingis benefits from not having to be the centerpiece of this team? Regardless of your opinion of Melo, the vast majority of the league is focusing their defensive scheme around stopping Melo. You don't think Melo is helping Porzingis develop his offensive game? And Melo, having the arsenal that he has, can help him anywhere in his offensive game.

You don't think Melo/Porzingis looks better to free agents than LaVine/Porzingis and a future first rounder that might end up being D'Angelo Russell or Anthony Bennett? Do you not realize that once the cap goes up, Melo will be making a much more acceptable salary for someone of his talent/age. You dudes are so used to being fans of a crappy franchise that you don't even realize when the path is bright.

The goal really should be to try and sign a promising young up and coming free agent with the goal that Melo can just be the 2nd/3rd guy in a year or 2. If the management isn't stupid, money shouldn't even be an issue anymore.
 

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Why is this thread so focused on trading Melo? It's not going to happen. It's not even a little likely because of NTC. What baffles me is that people don't realize Melo being on this team is actually better for the future as well.

You don't think Porzingis benefits from not having to be the centerpiece of this team? Regardless of your opinion of Melo, the vast majority of the league is focusing their defensive scheme around stopping Melo. You don't think Melo is helping Porzingis develop his offensive game? And Melo, having the arsenal that he has, can help him anywhere in his offensive game.

You don't think Melo/Porzingis looks better to free agents than LaVine/Porzingis and a future first rounder that might end up being D'Angelo Russell or Anthony Bennett? Do you not realize that once the cap goes up, Melo will be making a much more acceptable salary for someone of his talent/age. You dudes are so used to being fans of a crappy franchise that you don't even realize when the path is bright.

The goal really should be to try and sign a promising young up and coming free agent with the goal that Melo can just be the 2nd/3rd guy in a year or 2. If the management isn't stupid, money shouldn't even be an issue anymore.
This. This. This.
We are supposed to be talking in reality. Melo is NOT waiving his No Trade Clause.

Yet people are still chiming in as if it's a substantive topic.

I understand and encourage "hypothetical discussions" on the Knicks but not when it eats the entire thread up.

People, after every game, are coming in here saying "Still trade Melo" or "See! Trade that bum" like it's such a seamless possibility.

Ships mindboggling.:mindblown:
 

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If the Knicks were somehow able to trade Robin Lopez (and maybe Jose Calderon) for a more serviceable PG and sign Hassan Whiteside, where does that leave the Knicks next year (assuming Afflalo picks up his option)?

New PG
Afflalo
Melo
Porzingis
Whiteside

Not bad to me....
 

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Talking Latvian culture and Kristaps Porzingis with former ambassador Ojārs Ēriks Kalniņš
By Joe Flynn@ChinaJoeFlynn on Dec 14, 2015, 9:44a 371

There is a new Mecca for New York Knicks basketball, and it is located in Northeastern Europe, on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The sovereign nation of Latvia exploded into our collective consciousness when the Knicks selectedKristaps Porzingis in the draft. To love Kristaps is to love the land that gave us Kristaps.

But what do we know of the country itself? Our lack of knowledge on the Porzingis motherland is appalling. We need to go back to school. And who better to drop some Latvian knowledge on us than Ojārs Ēriks Kalniņš, member of the Latvian parliament and chairman of the country's Foreign Affairs Committee.

Like all Latvians, Mr. Kalniņš has lived a bad-ass life. Born in a refugee camp in Germany after WWII, he moved to Chicago as a child, living there until 1985. From 1993 to 2000, he was Latvia's ambassador to the United States. A longtime Bulls fan, Mr. Kalniņš has fully embraced the Porzingis phenomenon.

"I first heard about [Kristaps] two years ago," Kalniņš explained, "from a young legislative aide here in the Latvian parliament. He told me to remember his name because he was destined for greatness. My friend was right. I also had faith in Kristaps' potential because it was Phil Jackson who picked him. As a Bull fan during the great Jordan/Pippen years, I had a special respect for Jackson and his intellectual/philosophical approach to athletes and the game."

Over in Latvia, legislators are scouting the best young basketball prospects while our Congress sits around dreaming up new schemes to default on our national debt. I weep for America.

Mr. Kalniņš was kind enough to answer a few questions about Latvia. Pay attention, boys and girls, because this may show up on your Latvian citizenship test.

What is the most important, non-Porzingis-related thing you would like foreigners to know about Latvia?

Latvia is one of the greenest and cleanest countries in the world; half of our territory is covered by pine and birch forests, and our air and water is pristine. Latvians worship nature and our biggest national holiday is the Summer Solstice, which we call Jani. Between June 21-24, when the sun sets for only a few hours, Latvians stay up all night, gather around bonfires, sing songs, dance, drink beer and celebrate life. They also jump over the bonfires around midnight. Be sure to ask Kristaps whether he learned how to jump by leaping over bonfires during Jani celebrations.

And people worried about Kristaps handling the center position; kid grew up jumping over fire for fun! How popular is basketball in Latvia? Are other sports more popular?

The number one sport in Latvia is ice hockey; we have one of the top ten teams in the world and have had several players in the NHL. After that, our bobsledders and lugers are regular Olympic champions. And Latvian Maris Strombergs became the first Olympic champion in BMX cycling in 2008, and took the gold again in London in 2012. However, basketball is n also extremely popular. In fact, Latvians won the first ever European basketball championship, the EuroBasket 1935. We shocked everyone by beating Hungary, Switzerland and Spain. Recently a film was made about this remarkable story, called "Dream Team 1935" (2012).

The Knicks have also inspired a major motion picture. What was the reaction in Latvia when Porzingis was booed by Knicks fans on draft night? (Please understand that the booing is a dumb Knicks fan tradition; they have booed every draft pick for the last 20 years.)

We took the booing in stride. Like Latvia itself, Kristaps was an unknown commodity and we are used to skepticism or blank stares when we are introduced to strangers. But Latvians have a quiet confidence that overcomes all kinds of obstacles. That just gives us a greater incentive to prove our critics wrong. We had faith in Kristaps and he came through, just as we hoped he would.

Are the Knicks now the most popular team in Latvia?

Without a doubt. At least in basketball.

Voting for the 2016 All-Star Game has begun. How confident are you that your fellow citizens will get out and vote?

Latvia has one of the fastest internet speeds in the world, and we are avid cyber fanatics. Latvians will vote early and often. A few years back we made our capital, Riga, the second most popular city in the voting for the World Edition of the Monopoly game. It's back in 3rd place in the 2015 edition.

I'm still a bit worried that Kristaps could be named prime minister. What is the minimum age requirement for that office?

No minimal age for prime minister, but don't worry. We'll wait until he finishes his NBA career.

I would appreciate it if I could get that promise in writing. What are the best tourist destinations in Latvia? Knicks fans will start making pilgrimages there soon, I think.

I think it was a USA Today poll that recently selected Riga as the prettiest city in Europe. Riga is Latvia's top tourist destination, has 8 centuries worth of outstanding architecture and culture, and has some of the best restaurants in all of Europe. But after partying in Riga, you have to go out to our fields and forests and mingle with our wildlife: we have a huge deer, fox, and beaver population, and are one of the top destinations for bird watching, especially storks. Our tourism slogan is ‘Best Enjoyed Slowly.' Latvia is a place to come and relax, chill out and become one with nature.

I don't know about y'all, but I wish I was in Latvia right now. We should be honored that this great national lent us their favorite son. Go Kristaps, go Latvia, go Knicks!

Link: Talking Latvian culture and Kristaps Porzingis with former ambassador Ojārs Ēriks Kalniņš
 
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