Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[The War Report]

http://nypost.com/2015/12/11/knicks-derrick-williams-doesnt-know-why-fisher-benches-him/

Come on man, these guys that are getting inconsistent minutes loads and keep looking hesitant and confused out there...if Fish isn't directing them and telling them what they're doing wrong, they're only gonna look more confused and hesitant. It's no wonder the bench regressed and that suddenly the atmosphere is getting bad. This dude is straight making media cries for help smdh. Fisher's got a lot of learning to do, but this is an important one, he needs better communication with some of these cats.

He doesn't play much because he's inconsistent as fukk.

 

[Victim of Racism]

It's not criticism, though. it's blind, irrational, and biased viewpoints that aren't targeted on any other player. Which is being a hater.

You got people in here who literally watched a man get his arm pulled on purpose and they're still blaming him for something. If that was any other superstar or Porzingis for that matter, it's outrage about a no call. Since its Melo its the same old "trade him" "he's a ball hog" blah blah blah

As far as the bolded: My thoughts verbatim.

 

[Victim of Racism]

The star player on a team is going to get the majority of the criticism when the team isnt performing well. This shyt happens across every sport. Why you're acting like this is a special case of hating on melo is fukking bizarre to me.

While he was clearly fouled, the frustration seems to me to come from his continued inability to get in done in clutch situations in the passed several years. That 1-19 stat posted in here earlier is just . When you have people in here irrationally putting melo in the category of lebron, durant, etc when the results have clearly not been there since hes become a Knick, then its only natural that you hear the other side of that coin. It goes both ways.

All of this is a lie. When it's Lj, even on stacked teams, it's "he needs more help" articles and tweets. That's exactly what happened when he missed the game-winner against the Pelicans and was scoreless in the overtime of that game.

No, last night's hate wasn't about "his continued inability to get in done in clutch situations". It was about him missing a shot he should've missed. People (including in this thread) are talkin' 'bout "he could've passed it" and all kinds of stupid stuff. You're making things up and lying. Not only that, you lie when you say he has a "continued inability to get in done in clutch situations in the past several years". More on that in a minute.

'Melo has shot the ball better (Lj can't shoot and KD needs screens, transition, and Chuckbrook to distract defenses, and he has no post-game) and played better defense than KD and Lj, and passed the ball without turning the ball over (unlike KD and Lj).

You don't know what clutch is. It's not just game-winners. 'Melo shot 70.4% on 2's just last season in clutch situations. That's 7% higher than your precious Lj and 12.8% higher than KD: NBA.com/Stats

He also averaged 6.5 ppg in the 4th on 45.1% shooting last season: NBA.com/Stats

By contrast, Lj only scored 0.6 (7.1) more points on a 3.5% better fg% (48.6%) in the 4th. He's a slasher, so that's nothing.

KD averaged less points than 'Melo in the 4th (5.3ppg) on a lower fg% (44.4%).

He's doing all this without another star player to distract defenses like Lj and KD have. KP got that wide open shot in Charlotte because 'Melo was double-teamed.

Real Knicks fans don't stand in line to defend and worship other players and throw their own Superstar under the bus for those players.

Real Knick fans hate other players like they hate other teams. The have this mentality:

 

[Victim of Racism]

Muthafukka shook his hand...

That was deep. It's nothing new, though. They knock him down with his head hitting the ground, giving him a headache, no call.

 

[Victim of Racism]

What's the point of this man?! We always get fukked by refs and nothing changes

I wish I could laugh about it. I stay doing this:

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

What's the point of this man?! We always get fukked by refs and nothing changes

The league just trolling us at this point

 

[Victim of Racism]

http://nypost.com/2015/12/11/knicks-derrick-williams-doesnt-know-why-fisher-benches-him/

Come on man, these guys that are getting inconsistent minutes loads and keep looking hesitant and confused out there...if Fish isn't directing them and telling them what they're doing wrong, they're only gonna look more confused and hesitant. It's no wonder the bench regressed and that suddenly the atmosphere is getting bad. This dude is straight making media cries for help smdh. Fisher's got a lot of learning to do, but this is an important one, he needs better communication with some of these cats.

I'm not buying that Fish told Seraphin that his rebounding and defense has to improve for him to get playing time, but he didn't tell D-Will the same. D-Will is far from a savior. 'Melo needs to start making shots, but that won't happen until he gets healthy. In the meantime, the other guys have to step up and they haven't. Phil brought in shot-makers, so that the offense wouldn't be so reliant on 'Melo, whether he's healthy or not. Those guys have to do their jobs. They aren't. 'Melo is doing what he can. He's doing everything he can control. He's playing defense, rebounding, and passing. Gallo still gets plenty of mins, but his shooting is still trash. I understand if you don't believe Fish knows what he's doing. It's your right to believe that, but why blame him for benching guys who aren't doing their jobs?

 

[Victim of Racism]

The league just trolling us at this point

Been doing that for at least 3 straight years.

 

[storyteller]

I'm not buying that Fish told Seraphin that his rebounding and defense has to improve for him to get playing time, but he didn't tell D-Will the same. D-Will is far from a savior. 'Melo needs to start making shots, but that won't happen until he gets healthy. In the meantime, the other guys have to step up and they haven't. Phil brought in shot-makers, so that the offense wouldn't be so reliant on 'Melo, whether he's healthy or not. Those guys have to do their jobs. They aren't. 'Melo is doing what he can. He's doing everything he can control. He's playing defense, rebounding, and passing. Gallo still gets plenty of mins, but his shooting is still trash. I understand if you don't believe Fish knows what he's doing. It's your right to believe that, but why blame him for benching guys who aren't doing their jobs?

That's the thing, Seraphin had to go into Fisher's office and ask.
"It’s frustration when you don’t play for sure,’’ Seraphin said. "I went to his office and asked him, ‘What do you expect from me?’ ‘What I should do more and better to be on the court?. He expects more from the defensive part. He told me the offensive part, don’t worry about this part, get more rebounds and make some stops.'
http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/pained-french-center-erupts-off-the-bench-to-carry-knicks/

That's a second player vocalizing that he didn't know what Fisher wanted from him and he had to go into the office and ask. Props to Seraphin for being proactive and forcing Fisher to tell him what's up for sure, but that's not something every player will be comfortable doing (and that approach doesn't work with every coach). And I'm not getting on Fisher for benching guys who don't do their jobs, I'm saying that Fisher can't just bench them without telling them WHY and this is the second player to vocalize a communication breakdown. I'm just asking for Fish to improve his communication with the players, especially the younger ones who might not know when to knock on the boss' door and when to be a good soldier and just wait for their turn.

 

[I.V.]

Starting to wonder if Fisher is going from a problem to a disaster.

 

[The War Report]

@ fringe players asking what their role is. It's not that hard, try not to suck as much.

 

[Miles Davis]

It's obvious that fisher is starting to become a cancer, this ship needs to get right otherwise this is gonna be a long season. His rotations and lineups make no sense and the team is losing confidence quickly. Early never getting any minutes, grant, dwill and oquinn minutes are sporadic and they don't know why.

I said it before they look nervous when they're out there like if they screw up they'll get benched but lance Thomas has free reign to do whatever he wants and make whatever mistakes.

 

[Ironman]

@ fringe players asking what their role is. It's not that hard, try not to suck as much.

I won't say Dwill hasn't had his ups and downs lately but, as a coach it always helps to know your players and let them know what you have an issue with. Pop is a vet and one of the goats yet he never hesitates to leta player know what their doing wrong from Duncan down. Will may feel like he'sover stepping his boundaries and doesn't want to disrespect Fish. Man Phil himself talked to Shaq and Kobe all the damn time. Two of the most arrogant players in nba history at that so miss me with Fish being unable to take 10 to 20 minutes to let someone know what's up.

 

[Ironman]

Dec 15 is pay day and the trade deadline I'm about to eat in a few days


That would be awesome

If Phil could maybe throw in fisher with the trade we'd win

Throw Lance Gotdammnit Thomas in there too and we're set

 

[Victim of Racism]

Also, Melo and Porzingis missed 3 free throws down the stretch. In my opinion, before I start putting blame on that last 3pt heave, I have to blame them for missing those free throws.

'Melo was trash from the line all game. 6-11. In fact, he was the only who shot poorly from the line. Had he made just 3 more, they win. Just .