Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[South Paw]

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[Victim of Racism]

Look the team played like ass, a lot of disappointing play with a couple of guys stepping up but mostly crap play so it's probably just me getting stuck on something...but I can't help but think to myself that at some point over the past two days the head coach of the New York Knicks must have sat back and said to himself, "you know what's gonna jump start our bench offense? Sasha Vujacic playing more minutes."

Was he supposed to put in someone who's shooting 36% from the field who can't defend and won't rebound? That someone is D-Will.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

So, you and I knew NY should have driven to the basket (I was screaming at the screen for them to drive), but NY, who plays nearly every night, doesn't know to drive when their in the bonus, and you blame Fish? You give NY a pass for not knowing something that simple? If a team has to be told everything, maybe they're the problem. Just say you don't like Fish, instead of blaming him for NY being dumb. D-Will isn't the only slasher on that team, and for all that slashing, he's shooting 36% from the field.

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[Victim of Racism]

Love it:

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[The War Report]

Dr. Narcisse.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

This wouldn't be a good trade at all there is as much distractions here as in Houston.

Knicks had zero fast break pts.

We had 35 pts at half time, this shyt is unacceptable.

Ty will at least have a support system in former teammates in Affalo and Melo. Alot better than Harden and Dwight

Jose only passes the ball to Rolo at the top of the key (Thats where the offense turns into a shytshow) and can't turn the corner on P&R's

 

[Lakerman0834]

The nerve of this scrub...

Sasha will forever get a pass for those clutch FT vs boston

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Knicks had zero fast break pts.

We had 35 pts at half time, this shyt is unacceptable.

Ty will at least have a support system in former teammates in Affalo and Melo. Alot better than Harden and Dwight

Jose only passes the ball to Rolo at the top of the key (Thats where the offense turns into a shytshow) and can't turn the corner on P&R's

I miss the small ball unit that was getting played in the preseason, that unit played very fast, got to the line, and that's when Grant and Williams played their best. Fish needs to cut it out with these Lumbering front courts that ruin the spacing, make Kyle the primary back up C,deactivate Sasha, and activate Cleanthony to see what he can do out there.

I don't know if I want Ty Lawson for 4 years, I think I'd rather hold out for Conley in the offseason, but I'm more than down to trade Calderon for the right deal.Just keep getting that trade value up Jose :sabo:

 

[Miles Davis]

All this is ridiculous, he doesn't even let people play through their mistakes. Only person that seems to be allowed to make mistakes and not get penalized is Thomas. I really liked him as a role player last year but the favoritism and him not really doing anything special is souring him for me:/

Then you've got the demolition of the bench mob and their confidence seemingly, the same crew that did well in preseason hasn't really played together these last 5+ games. Someone else mentioned it before, dwill or KOQ will make a mistake and look at the bench cause fisher got these dudes afraid that they gonna get benched for some nonsense. Grant's minutes getting cut but Vujacic getting more Let the rookie do his thing and learn. Then we've got people's minutes going up and down, playing 1 game then not playing the next 2-3 games. Once again like people have said there's no rhythm.

Certain people just don't need to be in the rotation at this point and only see minutes during end of the game blowouts. Vujacic especially, he hasn't produced for us and the stats don't lie. Calderon was getting shytted on early but he's cleaned his game up and stepped up to the plate. Amundson and Thomas as well, I like the hustle but they aren't players that need to be getting the minutes they are.

Just listen to Clyde during the games, he be dropping some real knowledge about the Knicks (also ball in general) and why they struggle at times and why they do well on runs. Him and Breen commented on the rotations last night. I remember Clyde said how Holzman showing confidence in him helped him elevate his game but meanwhile we got fisher not showing any in his guys and it's possible that's why some of the bench aren't doing well and I specifically remember dwill saying the confidence from the coaching helped his game in preseason and the beginning of the season.

I'm not gonna say it's 100% on fisher cause the guys need to go out and execute but it starts with the coach. If he ain't doing what needs to be done for the team he needs to reevaluate himself or get the
We got ourselves a nice squad this year and we need to right this ship quickly before we head down a bad path again.

 

[nieman]

It's Seraphin who is getting mins over Kyle, not Lou. That said, Kyle is averaging more mins than both of them. Seraphin is playing defense and making shots. Seraphin doesn't have the vision that Kyle has, but their assist totals are similar. Their ppg totals are similar because unlike, Seraphin, Kyle is reluctant to shoot, so, he's not helping the offense. Kyle isn't just "not great" on defense, he's putrid. I watched him closely against OKC and he is clueless out there. He doesn't even know the defensive stance. He just leans in on his opponent and keeps poking at the ball, just begging for a foul to be called, which is why he averages 2 fouls in 13 mins. He doesn't know to squat and move his feet laterally. Players are shooting above 51% against him and 7% above their average. NY can't have that. Meanwhile, players are shooting under 42% against Seraphin and 6% under their average.

Fish was a great defender. He would often help on defense of a player he wasn't even assigned to and then recover to take his man's dribble way. He wouldn't "occasionally" hit an open J. He would do that often. He won several playoff series' that way, including one against the Spurs with 0.04 seconds on the clock. He was a good 3pt shooter. He was a great leader and coach on the floor to his teammates that saw the game brilliantly and would direct his teammates accordingly. He was just as good as Kidd at that and a better defender than Kidd was. I'm from L.A. I know the Lake Show. You clearly never watched him.

Moreover, Fish sure is doing more with less than Kidd is right now. Only reason he didn't last year was because NY had picks, so the tank was on again, just like the year before.

Lance is great at defense and I hate him because he's clumsy and can't shoot. You didn't see him punk Harden? KP got the shot off in time in Charlotte and should've caught that lob in the Garden. It's always someone else's fault when KP does something wrong. Sasha was starting because Arron was out and the bench is potent with Gallo and Grant coming off of it. D-Will is shooting 36% from the field and 27% from 3. He won't play until he uses some of that "energy" for boards because he's 6'8'' and only grabs 2 boards per game in 12 mins. Players are shooting 45.7% against him and 4% above their average.

I can't believe I have to explain these things. Do you pay attention to anything? Arron is another scorer. KP isn't yet. And when did I "bash" y'all precious Teflon P?

Y'all keep cryin' every game about Fish like NY has a terrible record. His "rotations" has a new team (who was injured for most of the season and still is) playing elite defense and a winning record (including the best road record in the East going into last night's game) through a brutal schedule against great teams. They are never out of a game. They had a chance to beat every team they've played. He has 'Melo playing better defense than he ever did when he had 2 knees (which is saying something because 'Melo has been a good defender for years). He has 'Melo playing elite defense. He has his guys playing hard for him. He's managed the guys's minutes well, especially the young guys who will hit a wall in the basketball grind. That's why KP had legs in Houston. He didn't force him against OKC. Fish has been very impressive, far beyond everyone's expectations. Y'all tryna play him like he has nothing to do with all the good things I just noted about the team. I find it extremely arrogant that you and others think you could do better at all, let alone in your second year.

Fisher was a terrible defender. Who was he help on? He helped Kobe? PGs regularly did what they wanted against Fisher. That's not to say he didn't attempt defense, but a good defender to me is someone who can shut you down or frustrate you and he did neither. They got where they wanted and did whatever. In his later years, he just stood there...with the occasional gamble. As for his shooting, you do know that Fisher REGULARY shot under 40% from the field? He was regulary under 30% for 3s...these are for full seasons. I don't even have to look this ish up, so feel free to check to see if I'm right.

The bolded is just pure lies. That's some ish the media started to say when Kobe requested that Fisher be brought back. And that was moreso because he knew the offense. He still only popped out baseline for the open J. In fact, he really only stayed in one spot and waited for the pass. He's NEVER ran an offense or directed the offense. He couldn't see the floor. Luckily the Lakers ran an offense that didn't require a PG per se. In LA it was everyone but him, Utah Deron, OKC Westbrook. Avery ran the offense for San An. He told Timmy where to go and when to get out the paint and repost, same with AdmiralIn Dallas he told Dirk to go high...and Cuban and Don were grooming him into a coach. Kidd is one of the best PGs in the history of the game so him becoming a coach right away wasn't a big deal.

Now as for the Seraphin vs O'Quinn argument - O'Quinn isn't a lateral athletic type of defender. He's a bully, so his job will be to play physical. You want to play him against bigs that post up or whenever they try to take advantage of KrisP. Use him like Oak/Kurt Thomas/Mase those types. He wasn't reluctant to shoot when he was getting mins. He was shooting enough to keep the defenses honest. Lance isn't a great defender either. he's not good at anything, but just likes his Luke Walton/Madsen players. Sounds like you're in love with him, just like Fisher. And Affalo is not a scorer. He's had 1 season of 18ppg and that shocked the hell out of everyone. He doesn't even have a scorers mentality. He's a 10-13ppg and that's not a scorer to me but he IS a solid player. They might as well had kept JR, because at least you know you have to defend him.

The rotations are questionable because he shouldn't be figuring it out still, after 20 games. A player gets 20mins one night, 2 DNPCDs then 5 then 20. These are rotational players that need their mins to do what they have to do...to make a positive contribution. You know what you have and you know what their limitations are. He's not even doing it based on matchups, and even if he was, that would make no sense for basketball, because that means that you're already letting the other team dictate your actions.

Let's take his initial backcourt of Jose & Sasha. We quiestioned it because neither are defenders. Jose is good at running an offense and a good shooter. When they took the need for a PG out of the offense and Jose wasn't shooting, why was he getting so many mins? He couldn't contribute anything. Sasha is a combo guard but still not a defender and not aggressive enough of offense. THIS is why we felt he should split them up. He wanted to run a speedy offense, but he clipped Derrick Williams mins, and he's one of the few slashers on the team. He wants to be a defensive team, but have no elite defenders and at the same time offensively inept. That's why we question him.

 

[Derek Lee]

Sasha will forever get a pass for those clutch FT vs boston

The only memories I have of Sasha as a Laker was the Dragic feud and him getting beat by a simple hesitation dribble by Ray Allen at the end of a Finals game. fukk him forever.

 

[GhostoftheMan]

does anyone else think we have too many guys playing substantial mins because of their "intangibles"?