Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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It's come to the point that I just scroll past her post breh but when I saw that I was like:wtf:

Clyde and breen are the most unbiased announcers and they not on no homer shyt like some of the announcers I've seen around the league( Cavs) . How u gon claim Clyde would brainwash people?!:mindblown: Be from LA and think you know more about the Knicks than a Knicks fan from NY brehs.

This is a dumb argument. Where you're from doesn't determine which team you know about. Watching games and following the sport determines it. If you know so much more than me, why can't you seem to win a debate against me? :jbhmm:

Moreover, this isn't about NY. It's about subjective broadcasting and I know brainwashing when I hear it.

And Breen stay drooling over the Cavs and Lj.






A good friend of mine said it best when he said:

“Education and critical thinking is so sparse in the U.S., that media corporations are easily used as propaganda machines focused on influencing public opinion; telling people what to think and how to feel.”

That is what all media, including sports media, is in summary.
 
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Can Zema Explain Clyde And Walt Being "Paid To Brainwash People Against NY"?

You've Said This 3 Times Within 1 Page Of Replies, I'm Interested In What The Agenda Is

We All Know How Breen Can Be But He Was A Knicks Fan Before You Shot Out Ya Daddys Nuts, Please Explain This Brainwashing :jbhmm:

It's not just their job to call games and report stats. It's their job to teach you how to think about each player and team. They do it very well. Example: Breen was saying the Clips complain to the refs a lot. What does that have to do with the call, how they're playing, and how they play? Nothing. There's a reason it's in their job description to tell you how to think about behavior, rather than just basketball. It's like the news, they don't just report it, they interpret for you. Brainwashing.

Breen used to be very objective. During the 2009 WCF between the Lake Show and Denver, the other "analysts" were comparing 2 superstars (can't remember which 2), and Breen said "why compare them, they're both great". Now that Breen is so popular and people love him, the NBA saw an opportunity to use him to brainwash people. So now, 99.9% of the dialogue during games from Breen, Clyde, and Van Gundy aren't about stats and what's happening in the game. Most of it is about other things like their behavior, the latest gossip, what trouble they might be in, their personality, narratives like the money made them make certain choices (if Breen says it, it must be true), etc.

Exhibit A:

What does McHale have to do with that game? Just call the game and I'll form my own opinion of McHale being fired. Right now, the game is on.

Some quotes about this from around the league:

“Media is a business. It’s more about getting eyeballs to coverage, than properly informing people. Often done through scare tactics, and troll tactics.”

“I hate the business of media. Negativity sells ads, Narratives get callers, piss off the biggest market and get us talking. Objectivity, truth and real analysis don't sell. Trolling does.”

“Here's the thing about media and fans: Once they decide they don't like someone, they try to shape evidence to fit that line of thinking.”

A good friend of mine said it best when he said:

“Education and critical thinking is so sparse in the U.S., that media corporations are easily used as propaganda machines focused on influencing public opinion; telling people what to think and how to feel.”

That is what all media, including sports media, is in summary.

You can tell when their following a script too. They're not good at acting. They try to sound "natural", but you can tell it's a talking point written on a card that they were told to bring up. It's just brainwashing.

Breen has officially sold NY out to keep his job:




























During the Pelican's game, Breen kept pointing out how they weren't doubling 'Melo because MSG knew they were gonna play a clip of 'Melo explaining that he was being doubled a lot late in games (that's how KP got that open shot in Charlotte). So, Breen made it a point to say "single-coverage" before 'Melo would shoot, to force the narrative that 'Melo doesn't get doubled a lot. He has never done that to a player before. I defy anyone to provide an example. Then he said "Carmelo has faced doubles in his career, but I think it's x, y and z", what do you think it is Clyde". So, it doesn't matter what 'Melo says it is, even though he's the one going through it. It's whatever Breen and Clyde says it is.

And in the 4th, right before 'Melo shot the ball, Clyde made it a point to say "this is where 'Melo has to step up because his team needs a basket". That was a lie. NY had the lead. 'Melo missed the shot. 'Melo went on to score 8 points in that quarter on 50% shooting and they won, so Clyde, Breen, and the people they work for lost that night. The new anti-'Melo narrative they're trying to force is that 'Melo just doesn't "step up" for his team late in games when before that game, he was averaging 5 points in the 4th, ranking in the top 30, even while coming off of injury. People stay lying on 'Melo. He's now averaging 5.3 points in the 4th on the season, ranking in the top 25.

Before the game against Charlotte in the Garden, Clyde was drooling over Batum's highlights. When they were showing 'Melo's, all he talked about was how they should have doubled him and that's why 'Melo was shooting so well. He wasn't calling for doubles on Batum, he was just saying that's how good Batum is.

'Melo stayed home for the money, even though he left buku millions on the table by locking himself in to a 4 year deal and not renegotiating his contract next season when the cap will go way up, and has a no-trade clause. Lj is renegotiating his contract next season when the cap is going way up, but Lj wasn't thinking about money. During 'Melo's 62 point game, Breen made it a point to say "you know he wants to shoot it", so that 'Melo's performance would be about the ballhog narrative, rather than his great performance. During the recent Charlotte game, Kenny Albert said Cody Zeller defended 'Melo when he dropped 62. That was an intentional lie to minimize 'Melo's performance. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was being abused by 'Melo so much that Clyde said the team should help him by doubling 'Melo.

When 'Melo takes 18 shots on weak team, he's a ballhog. When Lj takes 20 on a stacked team, he's brilliant. Curry too. Breen even made it a point to say during a game "Lj is taking 18 shots per game. 'Melo is taking 19". It keeps going up and down but right now Lj is taking more than 'Melo on the season. When Lj takes 32 shots per game on 39.8% shooting in the Finals on a much better team than 'Melo's, he's "putting his team on his back". If Melo did that, he'd be garbage under the gutter. 'Melo is a ballhog for his fga's but Lj is brilliant for his, even though Lj has more fga's than 'Melo for their careers, and has 'Melo hasn't had the teammates Lj has had.

When 'Melo averages 3.1 assists on a weak team, and not even control the ball anywhere near the amount of someone like Lj and KD (when RW was out), he's garbage. When Durant averages 3.0 assists on a stacked team, and controls the ball a lot, he's brilliant. When Lj averages 4 assists in the Finals on a stacked team, and controls the ball a lot, he has "no help". Dirk is a great shooter who can't defend, pass, nor rebound, and he's called a great player. 'Melo can do all those things and is called a great offensive player.

Those are just a few examples. There are plenty more.
 
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The bench is horrible. I think it has to do with the bench coming down to earth but MOST IMPORTANTLY, Fisher not giving any bench player an opportunity to truly anticipate how many minutes, what position or what role they will be playing in any particular game.

Giving D. WILL or O'Quinn or Early(so sad) substantial min for one game won't do shyt for their performance...

But giving them consistent minutes over a 5 game span may do wonders.

If by next week, DECEMBER, we don't have a concrete rotation...that's not the player's fault...it's Fisher's.


Crazy when you think about the production Van Gundy got out of Charlie Ward, Childs, an over the hill LJ & Kurt Thomas to make their way to the finals.

Make your players believe and give them defined roles about their production goes up.
 

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@ZemaPromos u think anybody that comes in this thread is gonna read that dissertation you just wrote complete with tweets from random ass people?:mjlol: You mentioned you became a Knicks fan recently so how you gonna know more about the franchise than I do?! I don't live in NY but I've been going to Knicks games since the late 90s. I know a thing or two about this team. i don't think you've ever agreed with a fellow Knicks fan in any thread because once you see something you don't like you write a paper on how that person is wrong and everything you say is right. How are 30-40+ Knicks fans on this board all wrong and you the only one that's always right?:ohhh: for the most part everyone here gets along and if we disagree everyone gets their points across and nobody beefs but how everytime u get into a discussion with someone it's like you talk down to them like everything they point out is wrong ?:what:

U sure you not a troll?:patrice:
 

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I remember Breen use to be way too hard on Nate Robinson. Our team was :trash:

We had no structure or foundation within our organization. We had talented players and most of them were more successful elsewhere.

Nate did some silly things but on that team he was probably the only player that gave it 100% all the time.

Yea, ignore Curry and Jamal Crawford just about never playing any defense but pick on the little guy bcus he shot on the wrong basket one time, for hot doggin, and for throwing a water bottle at zach randolph during a timeout :francis:

Who remembers Nate in the playoffs with the Bulls? :mindblown:
 

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The bench is horrible. I think it has to do with the bench coming down to earth but MOST IMPORTANTLY, Fisher not giving any bench player an opportunity to truly anticipate how many minutes, what position or what role they will be playing in any particular game.

Giving D. WILL or O'Quinn or Early(so sad) substantial min for one game won't do shyt for their performance...

But giving them consistent minutes over a 5 game span may do wonders.

If by next week, DECEMBER, we don't have a concrete rotation...that's not the player's fault...it's Fisher's.


Crazy when you think about the production Van Gundy got out of Charlie Ward, Childs, an over the hill LJ & Kurt Thomas to make their way to the finals.

Make your players believe and give them defined roles about their production goes up.

What's making Gallo shoot 42% from the field? What about Grant shooting 34%? Is it every coach's fault that D-Will never shot well consistently in his whole career and that O'Quinn never takes more than 5 shots per game on any team? Is it every coach's fault that D-Will never rebounds and has putrid defense? Is it every coach's fault that O'Quinn also has putrid defense?
 

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@ZemaPromos u think anybody that comes in this thread is gonna read that dissertation you just wrote complete with tweets from random ass people?:mjlol: You mentioned you became a Knicks fan recently so how you gonna know more about the franchise than I do?! I don't live in NY but I've been going to Knicks games since the late 90s. I know a thing or two about this team. i don't think you've ever agreed with a fellow Knicks fan in any thread because once you see something you don't like you write a paper on how that person is wrong and everything you say is right. How are 30-40+ Knicks fans on this board all wrong and you the only one that's always right? :ohhh: for the most part everyone here gets along and if we disagree everyone gets their points across and nobody beefs but how everytime u get into a discussion with someone it's like you talk down to them like everything they point out is wrong ?:what:

U sure you not a troll?:patrice:

I couldn't care less if anyone reads it. I did my part and answered the question.

How many times do I have to tell you this isn't about Knicks history? This isn't the same team from the 90's. This isn't even about the Knicks right now. It's about Breen and Clyde brainwashing the masses. And not what they said in the 90's.

If you know more than I do, then why haven't you won a debate? I see you dodged that question. Not sure who said "30-40+ Knicks fans are wrong". Not sure what "beef" you're referring to. You're just making things up. Quote me "talking down" to anyone. Quote me talking any differently than the tone of this thread and the tone of this board. When you can't refute my arguments, you try to play victim and get all the fans on your side by accusing me of victimizing all of them. :russ:
 
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@ZemaPromos how you finding all these tweets from a few years back? Real talk, honest curiosity.

I remembered people talking about Breen and Clyde's anti-Knicks commentary on Twitter, so I did a search for the words I remembered. The latest ones, I remembered who tweeted them, so I went directly to their page and copied the link.
 

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3 of his 7 shots per game are 3s, and he's shooting those at 48%

fisher's rotations are horrible, and the bench has no scorer. it is what is is.

So, the excuse is he takes too many 3's? What about people who take more 3's than he does and is still efficient?
 

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So, the excuse is he takes too many 3's? What about people who take more 3's than he does and is still efficient?
15th among SG with a .567 TS%. For reference, Harden is .568 and Jimmy Butler is .577.


The issue isnt his efficiency when he's shooting 3s as well as he is
 

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15th among SG with a .567 TS%. For reference, Harden is .568 and Jimmy Butler is .577.
The issue isnt his efficiency when he's shooting 3s as well as he is

So, you're saying shooting 42% from the field is efficient? That's what Gallo is shooting right now. And you're saying shooting 39.5% from the field is efficient? That's what Harden is shooting. And you're saying shooting under 38% on 2-point shots (the shot he takes the most) is efficient? That's what Gallo is shooting. Are you saying shooting the 3 efficiently is the same thing as overall efficiency?
 

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So, you're saying shooting 42% from the field is efficient? That's what Gallo is shooting right now. And you're saying shooting 39.5% from the field is efficient? That's what Harden is shooting. And you're saying shooting under 38% on 2-point shots (the shot he takes the most) is efficient? That's what Gallo is shooting. Are you saying shooting the 3 efficiently is the same thing as overall efficiency?
his efficiency is fine when he's shooting a large percentage of 3pt shots.

40% from 3 = 60% from 2. Galloway's efficiency isnt a problem as long as he's shooting well from 3
 
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