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Kyle O’Quinn shaping up to bolster ‘wow’ Knicks moves
By Marc Berman
July 6, 2016 | 1:35pm
Kyle O'Quinn Photo: Paul J. Bereswill
ORLANDO, Fla. — Knicks backup power forward Kyle O’Quinn knows the perception of the Knicks has changed drastically following Phil Jackson’s wave of splashy acquisitions across the last two weeks: Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee, Brandon Jennings.
Now the Knicks aren’t just hoping to make the playoffs. They are expected to. O’Quinn admitted the first thing that came to his mind on June 22 when he heard about the Rose blockbuster was: “Wow. Wow.’’
“I’m excited about every year, but this year it looks so clear,’’ O’Quinn told The Post on Tuesday at the Orlando Summer League. “A lot of people will put us in there. It’ll be a different element in training camp instead of being a startup trying to shock the world. We made a lot of changes and it looks like the playoffs, but you got to put the work in.”
Jackson has reinvigorated the fan base with the addition of three new starters who give the club as good a starting five on paper as anyone other than Cleveland and Toronto in the East.
Derrick Rose dribbles past Kyrie Irving during a game last season. Photo: AP
“These guys have played in big-time games, big-time playoff series, you got the [2011] MVP on your team,’’ O’Quinn said. “Those things, you can’t take off someone’s resume. That will trickle from top to bottom and everyone’s ready to soak it in.’’
Though O’Quinn’s role was in flux last season, he was always the loudest voice in the locker room. Now he has help in the leadership department in the chatty Noah, whom O’Quinn always has admired for his roughhouse style. But Noah is coming off a 29-game campaign due to January shoulder surgery.
“That’s his game,’’ O’Quinn said. “That’s why he’s gotten injured, because he plays like a dog. He ain’t no wuss. I think if he stays healthy, his competitive grit and grime will help guys like myself who’ve looked up to him throughout my career.”
Despite rumors the Knicks might trade O’Quinn to open up $4 million more in cap space to sign a backup point guard, it never materialized. He sat between coach Jeff Hornacek and associate head coach Kurt Rambis during the Knicks’ summer-league game Tuesday.
“If you heard it, I heard it, but I don’t think anything’s happening,’’ O’Quinn said.
Joakim Noah grapples with the Wizards’ Drew Gooden.Photo: Getty Images
In fact, the Knicks need more of O’Quinn’s type — a physical backup banger on the front line. One league scout said of the Knicks’ current roster: “I’d like to see a big bulky center be a third guy in [after Noah and Kristaps Porzingis].’’
The Queens product intends to show more this season after an up-and-down first year of his four-year, $16 million pact. His minutes fluctuated because of his occasional lapses on defense.
“I want to embark in that role from the start, stick with it, right from training camp and roll it out for the rest of the year,” O’Quinn said.
The 26-year-old is noticeably lighter than he was last season. As Rambis walked past him before the game, the coach grabbed O’Quinn’s shrinking midsection and smiled approvingly. O’Quinn won’t reveal the exact weight loss, but said he has taken up “hot yoga.’’
“Trying to trim down a little bit,’’ said O’Quinn, who recently returned from a week-long stay in Latvia to visit Porzingis. “I’m trying to stay in the best Kyle form I can be. … It just came to me, the yoga idea. Switch it up a little bit in the offseason.’’
Right now, O’Quinn is their most established big off the bench. The Knicks have agreed to terms with their European stash pick, center Willy Hernangomez, but they will bring him along slowly. Out of cap space, the Knicks may be outbid for their free-agent center Kevin Seraphin. The Knicks bigs will benefit from Rose’s creativity at point guard.
“I know he’s ready to get out here and show the best form of Derrick Rose,’’ O’Quinn said. “If he stays healthy, I’m lucky to be in position to play with him.”
Link:http://nypost.com/2016/07/06/kyle-oquinn-shaping-up-to-bolster-wow-knicks-moves/
Now, this fool decides to gets his act together
Billy going for your job, Kyle
For the most part, I liked what O'Quinn brought....until Fisher started fukkin with the lineups, not playing him with KrisP, then playing Lou...
I think the Knicks are going to be a really fun team to watch this year. They should be significantly better than they were last year.
The Lee deal is really reasonable, given the market. And he gives the Knicks something they haven't had in forever, a wing that can shoot and defend.
Getting Hernangomez to come over this year is good, he's still young and a little raw, but he's a big body who isn't afraid of contact, and likes to work around the hoop, which is great. He'll be great frontcourt depth, and will benefit from playing with bigs who can pass.
Kuzminskas is a really interesting signing, he was BIG on the youth Euro scent a few years back, kind of came out of nowhere and started wowing guys, ended up playing well for some European teams in spurts... he wasn't a super willing defender when he was younger, but plays with much more edge now. He's always wanted to play against the best players in the world (specifically the US) and has often played his best basketball on his biggest stages. He's a pretty great athlete from a run and jump perspective, and he's long as hell. I don't know if that will translate into defense in the US, but the fact that he's improved his jumper over the last 2-3 years is a big deal for his game. He also has spent the last year and a half actively looking to dunk on people, and that's the kind of aggression you need, to be successful at a higher level. He can't really dribble or create on his own, but he's great at cutting, and gets out in the open floor quickly and at time violently. I'm a little worried that team with Rose and Melo might hold the ball a little too long for him to be truly effective (he needs the ball swung quickly so he can attack close outs) but the last season version of Melo, gives me hope in that regard. This kid is the kind of signing you want a team to make: Played well for a high-level team, still young enough to get better, has the kind of attributes that can translate. He's not a star, we didn't get some kind of diamond in the rough, but we might have got somebody who can play in the NBA, and that's a big deal.
The jennings deal, as much as I don't like his game, is incredible value. Losing galloway hurts our second unit, and jennings has the speed and the vision to help get guys open looks, and while he's a gunner... we may need that off the bench on this team.
The rose deal was one of those "We're changing directions" bellwethers. Ball movement and speech and getting up and down weren't going to work with Lopez, so you flip him, and get to see what derrick rose looks like in the second year of his recovery. If you don't like what you see, you'll be able to move on with cap room. If you do, well, you'll probably have to pay a hefty sum to keep him... but maybe he's just the type to take less money next year to spite chicago, who knows. I'm not sure this has an ending that leaves everyone happy... but as somebody who's followed rose for years, we're gonna enjoy rooting for him. It won't take us long to be pulling for him, and hoping he can turn it back up. Without his old explosion, he'd do well to watch some tapes of Tony Parker's best years (somebody else mentioned strickland) where the change of pace is what killed people. I don't know, I've always liked rose, always wanted him to do well, and never quite understood the hate.
The Noah deal is the one I think we're going to regret. Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year... but four deals for a guy who has been chronically injured in his most recent 2-3 seasons is a bad gamble. And this is coming from somebody who REALLY enjoys watching Noah play. I think he plays hard, he doesn't show deference to anybody (kind of in that Garnett way, without ALL the extra shyt that went with KG's bad grampa persona) he plays hard, you can funnel the ball through him and watch him get other guys open looks. Point-Noah is something to behold. The only problem is: He might suck now. Like, right now. There's a chance he can't elevate at all anymore, which means he won't really be the kind of defensive anchor everyone keeps talking about, and I ALSO don't buy all this "now we have an identity!" bullshyt. We are going to be paying Joakim Noah roughly 20% of our salary cap when he's 35... there is just no way that works out for us.
And I think THAT is my biggest concern going forward. Their three biggest acquisitions are geared toward fitting into Melo's window, and not really to building with KP. And trust that I FULLY recognize that it's better for Porzingis to play with better players than it is to play with worse players... but there's no real future with the roster they just rebuilt. We have released or traded the other young assets that were not KP. And after hearing so much about how the Knicks were planning this slow build, with smart long term choices... it feels like we were sold a bit of a bill of goods, you know? Like, here we are, with these old guys on the roster, and other than rose... we're gonna be doing this thing again in 2-3 years... when Three of our best 4 players are all 34 or 35.
And I know that the NBA is a business, and I know that fans want to see a team win. But I can't help but look at how the Pelicans made similar mistakes around Anthony Davis, one they are just now beginning to fix. And I wonder if they Knicks could have just waited at least one more year, bided their time, aimed for younger free agents with some upside (Crabbe for Baze for example?), and given themselves a chance to be about a .500 team off moderate internal improvements... OR if it didn't work out, cash in the draft pick in next year's stacked class. (not tanked, but played hard, and finished with a top 10 pick).
But this year is going to be more interesting than last year, that's for sure. And I think this team has a very good chance at a top 4 spot in the east, and winning at least one playoff series. That's nothing to shake a stick at.
Also, sorry for the long post. Ainnobody reading all this shyt
The Lee deal is really reasonable, given the market. And he gives the Knicks something they haven't had in forever, a wing that can shoot and defend.
Getting Hernangomez to come over this year is good, he's still young and a little raw, but he's a big body who isn't afraid of contact, and likes to work around the hoop, which is great. He'll be great frontcourt depth, and will benefit from playing with bigs who can pass.
Kuzminskas is a really interesting signing, he was BIG on the youth Euro scent a few years back, kind of came out of nowhere and started wowing guys, ended up playing well for some European teams in spurts... he wasn't a super willing defender when he was younger, but plays with much more edge now. He's always wanted to play against the best players in the world (specifically the US) and has often played his best basketball on his biggest stages. He's a pretty great athlete from a run and jump perspective, and he's long as hell. I don't know if that will translate into defense in the US, but the fact that he's improved his jumper over the last 2-3 years is a big deal for his game. He also has spent the last year and a half actively looking to dunk on people, and that's the kind of aggression you need, to be successful at a higher level. He can't really dribble or create on his own, but he's great at cutting, and gets out in the open floor quickly and at time violently. I'm a little worried that team with Rose and Melo might hold the ball a little too long for him to be truly effective (he needs the ball swung quickly so he can attack close outs) but the last season version of Melo, gives me hope in that regard. This kid is the kind of signing you want a team to make: Played well for a high-level team, still young enough to get better, has the kind of attributes that can translate. He's not a star, we didn't get some kind of diamond in the rough, but we might have got somebody who can play in the NBA, and that's a big deal.
The jennings deal, as much as I don't like his game, is incredible value. Losing galloway hurts our second unit, and jennings has the speed and the vision to help get guys open looks, and while he's a gunner... we may need that off the bench on this team.
The rose deal was one of those "We're changing directions" bellwethers. Ball movement and speech and getting up and down weren't going to work with Lopez, so you flip him, and get to see what derrick rose looks like in the second year of his recovery. If you don't like what you see, you'll be able to move on with cap room. If you do, well, you'll probably have to pay a hefty sum to keep him... but maybe he's just the type to take less money next year to spite chicago, who knows. I'm not sure this has an ending that leaves everyone happy... but as somebody who's followed rose for years, we're gonna enjoy rooting for him. It won't take us long to be pulling for him, and hoping he can turn it back up. Without his old explosion, he'd do well to watch some tapes of Tony Parker's best years (somebody else mentioned strickland) where the change of pace is what killed people. I don't know, I've always liked rose, always wanted him to do well, and never quite understood the hate.
The Noah deal is the one I think we're going to regret. Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year... but four deals for a guy who has been chronically injured in his most recent 2-3 seasons is a bad gamble. And this is coming from somebody who REALLY enjoys watching Noah play. I think he plays hard, he doesn't show deference to anybody (kind of in that Garnett way, without ALL the extra shyt that went with KG's bad grampa persona) he plays hard, you can funnel the ball through him and watch him get other guys open looks. Point-Noah is something to behold. The only problem is: He might suck now. Like, right now. There's a chance he can't elevate at all anymore, which means he won't really be the kind of defensive anchor everyone keeps talking about, and I ALSO don't buy all this "now we have an identity!" bullshyt. We are going to be paying Joakim Noah roughly 20% of our salary cap when he's 35... there is just no way that works out for us.
And I think THAT is my biggest concern going forward. Their three biggest acquisitions are geared toward fitting into Melo's window, and not really to building with KP. And trust that I FULLY recognize that it's better for Porzingis to play with better players than it is to play with worse players... but there's no real future with the roster they just rebuilt. We have released or traded the other young assets that were not KP. And after hearing so much about how the Knicks were planning this slow build, with smart long term choices... it feels like we were sold a bit of a bill of goods, you know? Like, here we are, with these old guys on the roster, and other than rose... we're gonna be doing this thing again in 2-3 years... when Three of our best 4 players are all 34 or 35.
And I know that the NBA is a business, and I know that fans want to see a team win. But I can't help but look at how the Pelicans made similar mistakes around Anthony Davis, one they are just now beginning to fix. And I wonder if they Knicks could have just waited at least one more year, bided their time, aimed for younger free agents with some upside (Crabbe for Baze for example?), and given themselves a chance to be about a .500 team off moderate internal improvements... OR if it didn't work out, cash in the draft pick in next year's stacked class. (not tanked, but played hard, and finished with a top 10 pick).
But this year is going to be more interesting than last year, that's for sure. And I think this team has a very good chance at a top 4 spot in the east, and winning at least one playoff series. That's nothing to shake a stick at.
Also, sorry for the long post. Ainnobody reading all this shyt
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Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Looks like Galloway bout to sign with the Pelicans
Go ahead and get your money and be close to home breh, you'll always be a Knick
Word up. I'm going to root for homey and I hope he makes the rotation.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Yeah, I'll try and watch as many Pels games as possible to see AD, Buddy, and Galloway.
The War Report
NewNewYork
Another fukking reset with players that were really good in 2010 only to be super mediocre.
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Bulls trying to let some people go, we can take Jerian off they hands so they can get wade
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Ironman
#Knickstape
Kyle O’Quinn shaping up to bolster ‘wow’ Knicks moves
By Marc Berman
July 6, 2016 | 1:35pm
Kyle O'Quinn Photo: Paul J. Bereswill
ORLANDO, Fla. — Knicks backup power forward Kyle O’Quinn knows the perception of the Knicks has changed drastically following Phil Jackson’s wave of splashy acquisitions across the last two weeks: Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee, Brandon Jennings.
Now the Knicks aren’t just hoping to make the playoffs. They are expected to. O’Quinn admitted the first thing that came to his mind on June 22 when he heard about the Rose blockbuster was: “Wow. Wow.’’
“I’m excited about every year, but this year it looks so clear,’’ O’Quinn told The Post on Tuesday at the Orlando Summer League. “A lot of people will put us in there. It’ll be a different element in training camp instead of being a startup trying to shock the world. We made a lot of changes and it looks like the playoffs, but you got to put the work in.”
Jackson has reinvigorated the fan base with the addition of three new starters who give the club as good a starting five on paper as anyone other than Cleveland and Toronto in the East.
Derrick Rose dribbles past Kyrie Irving during a game last season. Photo: AP
“These guys have played in big-time games, big-time playoff series, you got the [2011] MVP on your team,’’ O’Quinn said. “Those things, you can’t take off someone’s resume. That will trickle from top to bottom and everyone’s ready to soak it in.’’
Though O’Quinn’s role was in flux last season, he was always the loudest voice in the locker room. Now he has help in the leadership department in the chatty Noah, whom O’Quinn always has admired for his roughhouse style. But Noah is coming off a 29-game campaign due to January shoulder surgery.
“That’s his game,’’ O’Quinn said. “That’s why he’s gotten injured, because he plays like a dog. He ain’t no wuss. I think if he stays healthy, his competitive grit and grime will help guys like myself who’ve looked up to him throughout my career.”
Despite rumors the Knicks might trade O’Quinn to open up $4 million more in cap space to sign a backup point guard, it never materialized. He sat between coach Jeff Hornacek and associate head coach Kurt Rambis during the Knicks’ summer-league game Tuesday.
“If you heard it, I heard it, but I don’t think anything’s happening,’’ O’Quinn said.
Joakim Noah grapples with the Wizards’ Drew Gooden.Photo: Getty Images
In fact, the Knicks need more of O’Quinn’s type — a physical backup banger on the front line. One league scout said of the Knicks’ current roster: “I’d like to see a big bulky center be a third guy in [after Noah and Kristaps Porzingis].’’
The Queens product intends to show more this season after an up-and-down first year of his four-year, $16 million pact. His minutes fluctuated because of his occasional lapses on defense.
“I want to embark in that role from the start, stick with it, right from training camp and roll it out for the rest of the year,” O’Quinn said.
The 26-year-old is noticeably lighter than he was last season. As Rambis walked past him before the game, the coach grabbed O’Quinn’s shrinking midsection and smiled approvingly. O’Quinn won’t reveal the exact weight loss, but said he has taken up “hot yoga.’’
“Trying to trim down a little bit,’’ said O’Quinn, who recently returned from a week-long stay in Latvia to visit Porzingis. “I’m trying to stay in the best Kyle form I can be. … It just came to me, the yoga idea. Switch it up a little bit in the offseason.’’
Right now, O’Quinn is their most established big off the bench. The Knicks have agreed to terms with their European stash pick, center Willy Hernangomez, but they will bring him along slowly. Out of cap space, the Knicks may be outbid for their free-agent center Kevin Seraphin. The Knicks bigs will benefit from Rose’s creativity at point guard.
“I know he’s ready to get out here and show the best form of Derrick Rose,’’ O’Quinn said. “If he stays healthy, I’m lucky to be in position to play with him.”
Link:http://nypost.com/2016/07/06/kyle-oquinn-shaping-up-to-bolster-wow-knicks-moves/
Now, this fool decides to gets his act together
Billy going for your job, Kyle
Quinn of Queens
Looks like Galloway bout to sign with the Pelicans
Go ahead and get your money and be close to home breh, you'll always be a Knick
Send em to the Gallows gone
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I mean, maybe. I guess it's impossible to tell. This is my fear.... but that post was mainly meant to be positive, because the team really has improved this summer. It's built on some players that are definitely injury risks, and also AT LEAST on the back portion of their primes... but they'll be better next year. If they are NOT, that is a problem. But if it falls apart, and the injuries bite them, at least they have their pick. That's a good thing.
ALSO
Baker played much better today. I actually think he's gonna be a useful defender.
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Illuminatos
#OVOXO
Gallo nooooo come back.
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Bulls trying to offload Jose already
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
It's gonna be weird seeing Wade on the Bulls. They're still probably not gonna make the playoffs either which makes the signing even weirder
onelastdeath
Banned
Man I hope Melo retires a Knick