Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[JMurder]

Obviously the sample size is too small to make any serious statements, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't expect this five to have strong numbers whenever Fish gets around to implementing it.

Honestly, I'm concerned about the hit the bench would take if that became the sl, but not enough to say we shouldn't try it. They bench us not supposed to save the game for the team, it's supposed to manage the score while the starters get rest. I would hope a bench unit of Calderón, Afflalo, Williams, O'Quinn can handle that goal

 

[I.V.]

Yall need to not let a non-knicks fan come in this thread and troll you guys into making obvious statements. If someone doesn't understand that:

. A rookie gets minutes, not just for what they'll do today but for what they could be doing next year and the year after that and for their career as they develop.

. 2 games into a season, you don't really know a damned thing about how good players will be long term. Mudiay had 17 points on 13 attempts and 11 TO's in his ONE game...that's ballin' now? But KP ain't ballin' when he puts up 16 points on 11 attempts. That's the one game comparison you can get, since Mudiay "balled" for one damned game.

. KP was matched with an allstar from last season and that all star only managed 11 points last night

Then they're either a troll or stupid. Don't give the dude the respect or acknowledgement. If you're gonna quote him, hit the and move on. But stop feeding the trolls, we got better things to discuss than trying to explain simple basketball concepts to somebody.

But breh, we got KNICK FANS in here trolling... l:stewartno:


It's early though... so I'm chilling. :JFKBOSS:

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Can We Stop With This Back To Back Talk?

These Dudes Just Had An Entire Summer Of Relaxing And Non Competitive Basketball, Shut The fukk Up About "It Was A Back To Back" I Hate That Argument, Unless You Had 3 Back To Backs In Different Cities Over 2 Weeks Shut The Entire fukk Up About "Back To Back" It Was The 2nd God Damn Game Of The Season

 

[seemorecizzy]

affalo fukking our depth up

grant affalo prigs melo lopez should be our starting line up
with gallo and sasha leading the backcourt off the bench
very nice balance
calderon shouldn't be playing at all

until affalo comes back, our backcourt needs to be grant and sasha
two speedy, pesky players who play with energy and are scrappy

gallow can lead bench unit with calderon, keep calderon away from the starters atleast got damn

also, we need to change up our rotiations.
either melo or priz need to be on the court at all times

give priz more burn with the second unit, give him experience as number 1 option

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Can We Stop With This Back To Back Talk?

These Dudes Just Had An Entire Summer Of Relaxing And Non Competitive Basketball, Shut The fukk Up About "It Was A Back To Back" I Hate That Argument, Unless You Had 3 Back To Backs In Different Cities Over 2 Weeks Shut The Entire fukk Up About "Back To Back" It Was The 2nd God Damn Game Of The Season

This.

 

[Victim of Racism]

I'm basing it on regular season numbers from both last year and this one. Why don't you post Calderon's percentages through two games? Preseason is preseason... While being a decent indicator to how a team or player may perform, the short sample size and inconsistent lineups don't lend any favors to your argument. You're better off using his impeccable career stats than his comparably useless preseason ones.


I'd like to get to know how you figure players being beaten off of the first dribble alone every single time is not worse than being scored on off of picks and smart passing. You use points scored as a measure of defense when there is visual evidence that Calderón and Vujacic are clearly worse defenders. It's not a coincidence that their plus/minus last night looked the way it did

Jose was hurt last year, threw that season, and this one just started. Why would I post the numbers from this season when I already said he shouldn't be judged off of phantom and touch fouls being called on him in Milwaukee, causing him to be on the bench for most of the game in bogus foul trouble, disturbing his rhythm, and shooting poorly last night in a back-to-back when everyone shot poorly because it was a back-to-back?

Preaseason is the only sizable sample we have for any player this season so far. No player should be judged for last night because of the back-to-back and cheating refs, but if they are, judge all of them instead cherry-picking. If KP gets a pass, give them all passes. If Jose gets criticized, then criticize them all. If not, just admit you're biased. Preseason doesn't help my argument, but 2 regular season games helps yours?

Gallo and Grant were beaten off the dribble just as much as Jose. I posted it earlier. Calderón gave up 8 points. 4 of those on fast-breaks. José gave up two baskets on fast-breaks, two on pnr to Teague. Grant gave up one on a pnr, one on a fb, and one on fb off of his turnover. The passing isn't smart if you turn it over, and especially if your opponent scores from it.

Schroder ate Gallo. Only Gallow gave up baskets to him. Jumper, dribble drive, layup from a Horford pick, jumper from a Horford pick, layup.

Grant was +6 because he played without Kris and Sasha out there with him. I'm sure you know +/- is a dumb stat to try to judge individuals on because it relies on what combos are on the floor. It's not an individual stat, even though people try to use it that way. People lie with numbers, sometimes when they don't mean to.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Zim Zema, Who Got Da Keys To My Beamer

I do, and I don't give Beamers back.

 

[Trip]

Melo wasn't the reason we lost last night

If you're going to shoot under 40% on 27 shots that's definitely not helping anyone. How many times did Steph take 27 shots last year? I mean for fukks sake who does he think he is.

 

[The War Report]

Melo wasn't the reason we lost last night

27 shots, breh. You don't shoot 27 shots unless you're on fukking fire.

Can We Stop With This Back To Back Talk?

These Dudes Just Had An Entire Summer Of Relaxing And Non Competitive Basketball, Shut The fukk Up About "It Was A Back To Back" I Hate That Argument, Unless You Had 3 Back To Backs In Different Cities Over 2 Weeks Shut The Entire fukk Up About "Back To Back" It Was The 2nd God Damn Game Of The Season

They even cut down the amount of b2b for teams. So, I'm not trynna hear that shyt.

 

[Retired Account]

If you're going to shoot under 40% on 27 shots that's definitely not helping anyone. How many times did Steph take 27 shots last year? I mean for fukks sake who does he think he is.

27 shots, breh. You don't shoot 27 shots unless you're on fukking fire.




They even cut down the amount of b2b for teams. So, I'm not trynna hear that shyt.

Melo definitely deserves some of the blame but he wasn't our biggest problem.

 

[Trip]

Melo definitely deserves some of the blame but he wasn't our biggest problem.

What Melo has never understood throughout his career is if you're cold stop shooting. I don't know if he's just never had a coach willing to challenge him on that or what...but the ability to create your own shot means absolutely nothing if they're not going in.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

27 shots, breh. You don't shoot 27 shots unless you're on fukking fire.
.

Who else would provide offense for us?

 

[GhostoftheMan]

Can We Stop With This Back To Back Talk?

These Dudes Just Had An Entire Summer Of Relaxing And Non Competitive Basketball, Shut The fukk Up About "It Was A Back To Back" I Hate That Argument, Unless You Had 3 Back To Backs In Different Cities Over 2 Weeks Shut The Entire fukk Up About "Back To Back" It Was The 2nd God Damn Game Of The Season

while they had a summer and it being just the second game into the season, with starting like Vuj who barley played last season and melo along with calderon who barley play for an entire season (and getting up there in age) so obviously it's going to wear on them if your going all out.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

while they had a summer and it being just the second game into the season, with starting like Vuj who barley played last season and melo along with calderon who barley play for an entire season (and getting up there in age) so obviously it's going to wear on them if your going all out.

What!?

 

[GhostoftheMan]

What!?

what is so hard to understand? maybe the "they had a whole summer" would be a better argument if they were younger but guys are coming off injuries not which caused them to missed most of the season or not playing at all. that starts to wear on you after as time goes on. for months isn't a senzu bean anymore to an aging basketball player