Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[JMurder]

Can We Stop With This Back To Back Talk?

These Dudes Just Had An Entire Summer Of Relaxing And Non Competitive Basketball, Shut The fukk Up About "It Was A Back To Back" I Hate That Argument, Unless You Had 3 Back To Backs In Different Cities Over 2 Weeks Shut The Entire fukk Up About "Back To Back" It Was The 2nd God Damn Game Of The Season

Ehhhhhhh....a back to back is taxing regardless of how much time before it if relaxation there is

 

[KnickstapeCity]

@KologeroBx i see you, breh

 

[The War Report]

Towns beasting, brehs.

 

[JMurder]

Jose was hurt last year, threw that season, and this one just started. Why would I post the numbers from this season when I already said he shouldn't be judged off of phantom and touch fouls being called on him in Milwaukee, causing him to be on the bench for most of the game in bogus foul trouble, disturbing his rhythm, and shooting poorly last night in a back-to-back when everyone shot poorly because it was a back-to-back?

Preaseason is the only sizable sample we have for any player this season so far. No player should be judged for last night because of the back-to-back and cheating refs, but if they are, judge all of them instead cherry-picking. If KP gets a pass, give them all passes. If Jose gets criticized, then criticize them all. If not, just admit you're biased. Preseason doesn't help my argument, but 2 regular season games helps yours?

Gallo and Grant were beaten off the dribble just as much as Jose. I posted it earlier. Calderón gave up 8 points. 4 of those on fast-breaks. José gave up two baskets on fast-breaks, two on pnr to Teague. Grant gave up one on a pnr, one on a fb, and one on fb off of his turnover. The passing isn't smart if you turn it over, and especially if your opponent scores from it.

Schroder ate Gallo. Only Gallow gave up baskets to him. Jumper, dribble drive, layup from a Horford pick, jumper from a Horford pick, layup.

Grant was +6 because he played without Kris and Sasha out there with him. I'm sure you know +/- is a dumb stat to try to judge individuals on because it relies on what combos are on the floor. It's not an individual stat, even though people try to use it that way. People lie with numbers, sometimes when they don't mean to.

I'm not gonna go essay for essay with you when it's clear you nor I will be swayed. There's no argument to be had for Calderón's defense at all. You don't need to do a breakdown for who scored when.... It's clearly evident. Talk to me about how many times he kept a man in front of him... Not about what Grant and Gallow didn't do. The offense is a wait and see thing

 

[Victim of Racism]

Can We Stop With This Back To Back Talk?

These Dudes Just Had An Entire Summer Of Relaxing And Non Competitive Basketball, Shut The fukk Up About "It Was A Back To Back" I Hate That Argument, Unless You Had 3 Back To Backs In Different Cities Over 2 Weeks Shut The Entire fukk Up About "Back To Back" It Was The 2nd God Damn Game Of The Season

I could see if the 2 games is all they played but they played all those preseason games and practices, and even had a back-to-back in the middle of preseason. They expended a lot of energy against Milwaukee in a very defensively intense game the night before they played Atlanta. Not to mention all the flying back and forth and having arrived in NY that morning. If you don't think all this had an affect, then what to you attribute no one on NY being able to make a shot to, Atlanta's defense? It looked to me like NY got great looks all night that they just missed.

 

[Victim of Racism]

I'm not gonna go essay for essay with you when it's clear you nor I will be swayed. There's no argument to be had for Calderón's defense at all. You don't need to do a breakdown for who scored when.... It's clearly evident. Talk to me about how many times he kept a man in front of him... Not about what Grant and Gallow didn't do. The offense is a wait and see thing

You don't have to go essay for essay with me. I never asked you to jump in the conversation to begin with. You're the one who came out of nowhere writing me a long response to an exchange I was having with someone else.

No need to talk to about who he kept in front of him when I've already stated he didn't. You act like you can talk to me about who Grant and Gallo kept in from of them.

You seem not to grasp that the issue is giving certain players passes for costing NY games with their poor defense, copping pleas for them and not affording others the same passes. You're just biased. It's really not deep at all.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

 

[JMurder]

You don't have to go essay for essay with me. I never asked you to jump in the conversation to begin with. You're the one who came out of nowhere writing me a long response to an exchange I was having with someone else. No need to talk to about who he kept in front of him when I've already stated he didn't. You act like you can talk to me about who Grant and Gallo kept in from of them. You seem not to grasp that the issue is giving certain players passes for costing NY games with their poor defense, copping please for them and not affording others the same passes. You're just biased. It's really not deep at all.

It's not bias saying that Grant and Galloway's defense >>> Calderon's and Vujacic. Everything else about calling everyone out is true and fair... but that's as far as I'll give it to you. We not gonna sit here and act like the deficiencies between them are the same when we know it ain't.
And you don't need to act sensitive about that essay for essay comment, it wasn't meant in disrespect. I just wrote that to concede that us writing multiple long paragraphs back and forth is pretty pointless

 

[Danie84]

Pelicans waived Nate Rob

...anyBODY; would be better than CalderHOLMES

Tonight we get back on our W track against the Wiz, tho

 

[Sampson]

Jose has to get into quick foul trouble in order for us to win. :mjknicks:

I honestly hope he gets injured. I want Fisher to snap out of his loyalty for point guards.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

I could see if the 2 games is all they played but they played all those preseason games and practices, and even had a back-to-back in the middle of preseason. They expended a lot of energy against Milwaukee in a very defensively intense game the night before they played Atlanta. Not to mention all the flying back and forth and having arrived in NY that morning. If you don't think all this had an affect, then what to you attribute no one on NY being able to make a shot to, Atlanta's defense? It looked to me like NY got great looks all night that they just missed.

Practice, Preseason, Flying, And Back To Back Games

Sounds Like Life As An NBA Player Since The Begining Of Time

Get These Weak Ass Excuses Out My Face

Like I Said If It Was During A Grueling Schedule Mid Season Id Let It Rock But This Is Some p*ssy Ass Excuse

They Lost, On To The Next One

 

[Victim of Racism]

Hope he can well play tonight, 'cause he's been terrible.

Hope Jose and Sasha play well, 'cause y'all gon' mess around and murk them and Derek. Please play Cle against Washington again instead of Lance 'cause you need him when you need to play fast.

Yea, right. He can't even jump.

Which means the knee isn't completely fine. He can work all he wants. He can't make himself jump.

“Still missing that power and lift in my leg on my jumper and it will probably take a few weeks to get that back” (video interview): http://on.knicks.com/1MoK7rz

 

[Victim of Racism]

It's not bias saying that Grant and Galloway's defense >>> Calderon's and Vujacic. Everything else about calling everyone out is true and fair... but that's as far as I'll give it to you. We not gonna sit here and act like the deficiencies between them are the same when we know it ain't.
And you don't need to act sensitive about that essay for essay comment, it wasn't meant in disrespect. I just wrote that to concede that us writing multiple long paragraphs back and forth is pretty pointless

Not sensitive, bro. Didn't mean to come off disrespectful in my comment either. I do apologize if I came off that way. I'll try to be more mindful. Wasn't saying they're as bad as Jose. Just said they were the other night, which was the issue.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Practice, Preseason, Flying, And Back To Back Games

Sounds Like Life As An NBA Player Since The Begining Of Time

Get These Weak Ass Excuses Out My Face

Like I Said If It Was During A Grueling Schedule Mid Season Id Let It Rock But This Is Some p*ssy Ass Excuse

They Lost, On To The Next One

Losing in those situations most times is life as an NBA player too because NBA players are human beings.

 

[Sampson]

Wall's gonna eat well tonight. :sadknicks: