Psychological Study Finds Cops View Black Children As Older And Less Innocent Than They Are

[DEAD7]

So is it fair to say that you were not talking about black and brown children when you wrote about, "certain demographics" and you don't think the police has any reason to have prejudice against black and brown children, but only certain unrevealed demographics?

and when you wrote about "certain demographics", in a thread about how police view "black children", you did this because?

No. Like many of the other issues brought up on this board it an economic issue as much or more than it is a race issue.IMO
I think the evidence shows(pretty clearly) that crime is more prevalent in poor economic conditions, so law enforcement focusing their attention on these areas seems logical... to me at least.

Again I don't think its racial, but rather a characteristic of youths raised in poor economic conditions.
These youths, while innocent(ill concede that) pose adult threats, and are often far more volatile than adults...
My argument is in the approach of law enforcement itself. If crime is more prevalent in low income areas, is paying extra attention to those areas really that unfathomable or discriminatory?
@acri1 was absolutely correct that this approach creates highly inequitable numbers that further strengthen the approach(and bias) of law enforcement... but is the approach wrong(fundamentally flawed)? and if so how?

You contend these practices are based solely on race?
if so, could you explain how the same targeting of poor neighborhoods takes place around the globe in regions where race is not an issue?If its
I think there may be a little more to it than whites hating blacks... as taboo as that is to say.
The only constant in all instances of this "discrimination" is the socioeconomic condition of the victims...

You're making it into a black vs white issue, when i'm suggesting that its more than that... c00ning as you guys say.
The demographic I was referring to was "the poor", not blacks. Though i'm beginning to realize they are synonymous here on HL.

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?id=9395264

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Los Angeles Police Department officers began wearing new on-body cameras for the first time Wednesday.



LAPD officer Jim Stover is one of about 30 officers testing out three new different types of cameras, ranging in price from $400 to $800. The cameras are worn on belts, collars and sunglasses.

"I don't mind the technology, it makes everything a lot easier, especially for court," said Stover. "There's nothing that actually solidifies a case more than the video."

The small cameras are new policing tools that came earlier than expected, thanks to large donations by some of L.A's' rich and famous.

Director Steven Spielberg, DreamWorks CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg, former mayor Richard Riordan, media giant Casey Wasserman and the Los Angeles Dodgers were among 25 donors who helped fund the camera effort.

 

[tmonster]

You're making it into a black vs white issue, when i'm suggesting that its more than that... c00ning as you guys say.
The demographic I was referring to was "the poor", not blacks. Though i'm beginning to realize they are synonymous here on HL.

wait I'm making into a racial thing
did you read the thread title? it is a racial thing
you are the one trying to make it into a reasonable thing for the police to do, by inferring that poverty makes poor people(code for black in this case and context and you know it) feral

treating brehs like they are brand new and this some new shyt brehs
say anything to excuse racists brehs

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/10/us/on-wealthy-island-being-black-means-being-a-police-suspect.html

he must have looked poor as hell

 

[DEAD7]

Looking past race isnt possible noted.

 

[tmonster]

This is not entirely true either. Black america's embracing of the thug culture has made it all too easy for racist police to profile and criminalize black youth.

The fault ultimately lies with the collpase of the black family, due to an overzealous judicial system, black men abandoning their respective families, as well as black women replacing strong black men with government subsidies.

Many would argue that blacks were actually doing better under Jim Crow (i.e. more black institutions, more intact black families, etc) than under this "free society" we live in today.

it's not so much that we embrace it
it's all that is offered in the media and it is well engineered
and hence stands as a normative
all cultures have underbellies but our underbelly seems always placed on surface of the mass of media

 

[tmonster]

Looking past race isnt possible noted.

not by the police apparently but you seem to be trying for them


oh...and the gymnastics....breathtaking

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Looking past race isnt possible noted.

Let me try to help you out here....economics is an indy variable, but the dependent variable is always race. In @The Real 's OP post, there were sobering experiments which supported the idea that white people dont respond to the perceived pain of black people as they do whites. In other words, white's routinely dehumanize us. In the mappings and matrix of their brains, they did not react to blacks like they did to whites so, indeed, many whites cant look past race.

This fact helps to explain the character of race relationships, and why blacks have been so mistreated for centuries. Yes, it is natural to be on a heightened sense of alert, while walking through a high crime, low income neighborhood. But even if those variables of economics were controlled (rich white, rich black), racial attitudes towards black folks will still exist. Its the skin color.

 

[Brown_Pride]

You're making it into a black vs white issue, when i'm suggesting that its more than that... c00ning as you guys say.
The demographic I was referring to was "the poor", not blacks. Though i'm beginning to realize they are synonymous here on HL.

on the one hand....
There certainly is an issue with "the poor" getting fuked over, and honestly I used to think it was the "poor" who got it and not necessarily black and brown people....
but then i woke the fuk up.

Race is most definitely an issue and pretending it's not is disingenuous. You're reasonable in most cases so let me ask you a question.

Do you believe cops say to themselves, "here's a poor person he's statistically more likely to be committing a crime" or is it more likely they say "here's a black dude..."?

Poverty is an issue, but pretending that black and hispanics aren't targeted more frequently really is just silly. When we look at stories like the ones Tmonster posted or we take stop and frisk statistics and crime statistics and we look at them we notice one thing, race does play a factor, how do you deny this?

 

[Brown_Pride]

Let me try to help you out here....economics is an indy variable, but the dependent variable is always race. In @The Real 's OP post, there were sobering experiments which supported the idea that white people dont respond to the perceived pain of black people as they do whites. In other words, white's routinely dehumanize us. In the mappings and matrix of their brains, they did not react to blacks like they did to whites so, indeed, many whites cant look past race.

This fact helps to explain the character of race relationships, and why blacks have been so mistreated for centuries. Yes, it is natural to be on a heightened sense of alert, while walking through a high crime, low income neighborhood. But even if those variables of economics were controlled (rich white, rich black), racial attitudes towards black folks will still exist. Its the skin color.

bingo. All things being equal people of color, particularly black people, start out with 1-2 strikes.

 

[DEAD7]

I don't disagree, in fact I don't disagree with anyone in here... but how do you explain the same targeting of poor around the globe including places where race isn't a factor?
If we are going to say its racial, then we must explain why its observed where race isn't a factor no?
The only constant(that I can see) is the economic condition of those targeted, which is why I put that in front of race(not in place of).

I disagree with race being pushed to the forefront, not with the assertion that racism is at play.

I'll just take the word of the majority in this case and assume i'm being naive, and it is just a bigoted phenomenon.
Swimming up stream on this one is too taxing. Something going against the "its racism" narrative tends to do.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I don't disagree, in fact I don't disagree with anyone in here... but how do you explain the same targeting of poor around the globe including places where race isn't a factor?
If we are going to say its racial, then we must explain why its observed where race isn't a factor no?
The only constant(that I can see) is the economic condition of those targeted, which is why I put that in front of race(not in place of).

I disagree with race being pushed to the forefront, not with the assertion that racism is at play.

I'll just take the word of the majority in this case and assume i'm being naive, and it is just a bigoted phenomenon.
Swimming up stream on this one is too taxing. Something going against the "its racism" narrative tends to do.

sometimes fighting against the truth can indeed be taxing

 

[DEAD7]

sometimes fighting against the truth can indeed be taxing

As can propaganda.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

As can propaganda.

You're just being an a$$hole and blatantly c00ning at this point if you are indeed black. Dont you have better things to do with your time than provoking these dumb arguments?

 

[DEAD7]

You're just being an @sshole and blatantly c00ning at this point if you are indeed black. Dont you have better things to do with your time than provoking these dumb arguments?

For sure.
I conceded the argument. That was just me @Brown_Pride

 

[bzb]

related to this topic....read this today about black preschoolers being suspended from school. broke my heart...


Black preschoolers more likely to face suspension

WASHINGTON (AP) — Black students are more likely to be suspended from U.S. public schools — even as tiny preschoolers.

The racial disparities in American education, from access to high-level classes and experienced teachers to discipline, were highlighted in a report released Friday by the Education Department's civil rights arm.

Black children represent about 18 percent of children enrolled in preschool programs in schools, but they make up almost half of the students suspended more than once....

Advocates long have said get-tough suspension and arrest policies in schools have contributed to a "school-to-prison" pipeline that snags minority students, but much of the emphasis has been on middle school and high school policies. This was the first time the department reported data on preschool discipline.

Overall, the data show that black students of all ages are suspended and expelled at a rate that's three times higher than that of white children. Even as boys receive more than two-thirds of suspensions, black girls are suspended at higher rates than girls of any other race or most boys.

The data doesn't explain why the disparities exist or why the students were suspended.

"This critical report shows that racial disparities in school discipline policies are not only well documented among older students, but actually begin during preschool,"

Daniel Losen, director of the Center for Civil Rights Remedies for the Civil Rights Project at UCLA, said the findings are disturbing because the suspended preschoolers aren't likely presenting a danger, such as teenager bringing a gun to school.

"Almost none of these kids are kids that wouldn't be better off with some support from educators," Losen said. "Just kicking them out of school is denying them access to educational opportunity at such a young age. Then, as they come in for kindergarten, they are just that much less prepared."

"I think most people would be shocked that those numbers would be true in preschool, because we think of 4- and 5-years-olds as being innocent,"

http://news.yahoo.com/black-preschoolers-more-likely-face-suspension-070710508.html



these are babies y'all. the school systems and teachers are conditioning these little kids in a negative way and also conditioning their peers to perceive them in a negative way. babies!!! ....


...and be forewarned, do not read the comment section in yahoo. the racism and ignorance there will bring bruce banner anger out of the most mild mannered black person.