Prime Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr vs Prime Felix "Tito" Trinidad at 147.....who wins?

[Master Teacher]

Bottom line is yall nikkaz in the Lara and Canelo thread shytting on lara like he's a bum or non a factor

yet this same non factor got robbed against P Will the supposed bogeyman, so what is, he's a bum or not, because if so p will must not be all that either then
you can't have both ways

bottom line Cotto's resume of wins is better than Trinidad's who really only gets credited for beating DLH, nikkaz acting like Vargas is Roberto Duran all of a sudden

The records speak for themselves, the 90's was not that great of an era for WW, it was way better for Heavyweights

 

[RedBull]

He did though. Here is a perfect timeline breakdown and quotes from Mayweather in regards to fighting Margs:




That's a duck doing alot of quacking breh


He ducked Margarito AND Paul Williams.


Funny thing is he says he'll fight the #1, #2, or #3 guy......but he didnt. Antonio Margarito was ranked at 147 by RING Magazine #2 in 2002, #3 in 2003, and #1 from 2004-2006 (http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Welterweight--2000s). Floyd never attempted to fight him.


That's a blatant duck

Nothing to argue here I just feel not fighting 2 fighters 5'10 and over isn't habitual ducking like the poster said. I'm definitely not caping Floyd, he "ducked" his share of fighters. Also let's not forget that people were saying that he was ducking Baldomir too, remember?

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Nothing to argue here I just feel not fighting 2 fighters 5'10 and over isn't habitual ducking like the poster said. I'm definitely not caping Floyd, he ducked his share of fighters. Also let's not forget that people were saying that he was ducking Baldomir too, remember?

People weren't really saying Floyd was ducking Baldomier. It was really on some "Floyd should go after the lineal undisputed title" sort of thing.

The voices that were screaming for the Margarito and Williams fights were definitely a lot louder than the cries for a Baldomier fight. In the end Williams kinda fukked himself by losing to Quintana though and after he righted that wrong he moved up so I won't say Floyd out right ducked him on some scary shyt. Maybe avoided, but not straight ducking. Now Floyd out right ducked Margarito no doubt in my mind.

 

[King P]

In fairness though, Floyd avoiding the Margarito fight got him a fight with De La Hoya. Can't really fault him for that

He chose Baldomir over Margarito because it was the for the same money. Plus Baldomir had a belt, and beating him made Floyd the linear welterweight champ. Had Margarito beaten Mosley, I think he woulda gotten a fight with Floyd.

Not sure I can really call that one a clear cut duck

 

[RedBull]

People weren't really saying Floyd was ducking Baldomier. It was really on some "Floyd should go after the lineal undisputed title" sort of thing.

The voices that were screaming for the Margarito and Williams fights were definitely a lot louder than the cries for a Baldomier fight. In the end Williams kinda fukked himself by losing to Quintana though and after he righted that wrong he moved up so I won't say Floyd out right ducked him on some scary shyt. Maybe avoided, but not straight ducking. Now Floyd out right ducked Margarito no doubt in my mind.

Okay, now some people say that he straight ducked Paul but you see it different. I feel all this ducking stuf is on perspective. Check this video and how he's being accused of ducking Baldomir. Kenny wasn't the only one echoing these sentiments at that time. Please lets not focus on Floyd's diction Look at all of the fighter's he brings up for Floyd to fight. Ironically he beat Baldomir, Hatton and Zab......the one's he's accused of ducking.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Okay, now some people say that he straight ducked Paul but you see it different. I feel all this ducking stuf is on perspective. Check this video and how he's being accused of ducking Baldomir. Kenny wasn't the only one echoing these sentiments at that time. Please lets not focus on Floyd's diction

I remember when that shyt happened. Baldomier was on a hot streak and was the easier fight for the bigger reward being that it was for the lineal title, but Margarito was viewed as the bigger risk and the real goon of the division that nobody wanted to fight. All the real boxing heads wanted to see that bout. The only real reason Baldo got thrown in the mix was because he beat Zab and Gatti when he was really just brought in to lose. Nobody at the time was picking him to beat Floyd. You actually had heads thinking Margarito had a decent shot, and the Castillo fights were only a few years old at that point. Dude was like Castillo on steroids and was fukking nikkas like Six heads and Cintron up.

Floyd ducked Margarito, but he avoided Williams but the time line for that bout happening wasn;t as long an as open as it was for the Margarito bout.

I mean what would have stopped Floyd from beating Tonio and then giving Baldo that work. That's actually what people really wanted to see. Just like Sergio was the man at 160, but everyone knows GGG is the better fighter now and would have likely won if Cotto ain't get to dude first. Almost the same situation with Floyd, Baldo, and Tonio.

 

[RedBull]

I remember when that shyt happened. Baldomier was on a hot streak and was the easier fight for the bigger reward being that it was for the lineal title, but Margarito was viewed as the bigger risk and the real goon of the division that nobody wanted to fight. All the real boxing heads wanted to see that bout. The only real reason Baldo got thrown in the mix was because he beat Zab and Gatti when he was really just brought in to lose. Nobody at the time was picking him to beat Floyd. You actually had heads thinking Margarito had a decent shot, and the Castillo fights were only a few years old at that point. Dude was like Castillo on steroids and was fukking nikkas like Six heads and Cintron up.

Floyd ducked Margarito, but he avoided Williams but the time line for that bout happening wasn;t as long an as open as it was for the Margarito bout.

I mean what would have stopped Floyd from beating Tonio and then giving Baldo that work. That's actually what people really wanted to see. Just like Sergio was the man at 160, but everyone knows GGG is the better fighter now and would have likely won if Cotto ain't get to dude first. Almost the same situation with Floyd, Baldo, and Tonio.

Breh, I don't dispell anything you said. I'm just pointing out the whole "ducking" thing, no matter who he fought or didn't fight he was accused of ducking. Back to Punisher and Margs, I felt he did avoid them but IMO he CLEARLY ducked Paul, he barely mentioned his name at all.

 

[krackdagawd]

Margarito stopped sergio too

Groundbreaking statement, what does that have to do with Cotto losing to guys you claimed he was a better boxer than.

If Margairto's stamina/workrate did him in what does Trinidad's stamina with A+ power do to him

Everybody knows Hopkins always Cut weight to make middleweight

Everybody knows Hopkins wasn't not a heavier puncher, but he folded Trinidad like laundry

And what do you think a prime BHop does to Cotto

All that other shyt is Hopkins only cut water for his reign at middle and NEVER ballooned in weight......if he was cutting that much weight for middle why on google earf Nas would he need to hire and strength and conditioning coach to get to 175

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Breh, I don't dispell anything you said. I'm just pointing out the whole "ducking" thing, no matter who he fought or didn't fight he was accused of ducking. Back to Punisher and Margs, I felt he did avoid them but IMO he CLEARLY ducked Paul, he barely mentioned his name at all.

Oh no doubt. That's with every boxer. Nobody fights everybody though. It's all perspective like you said. Some people will see all this evidence we been posting and still say Floyd ain't avoid anybody so

To me Williams fukked up by losing and moving up in weight though. Floyd never acknowledged him, but dude needed to keep winning and staying at 147. Once that ain't happen I can't really call it a duck. Margarito was a different situation altogether though.

 

[krackdagawd]

nikkas in here shytting on fishnets like he was some bum.

Prime welter DLH would feast on this era of midgets pretending to be welterweights

Trinidad only loses to Floyd in this era, that's it. All these other welters and jr middles go night night.

 

[Master Teacher]

Groundbreaking statement, what does that have to do with Cotto losing to guys you claimed he was a better boxer than.

If Margairto's stamina/workrate did him in what does Trinidad's stamina with A+ power do to him



And what do you think a prime BHop does to Cotto

All that other shyt is Hopkins only cut water for his reign at middle and NEVER ballooned in weight......if he was cutting that much weight for middle why on google earf Nas would he need to hire and strength and conditioning coach to get to 175

The fact of the matter is Cotto has a win over margarito, so he avenged his lost

Hopkins was not a natural middle weight he was always a light heavy, this nikka looked like a skeleton even at the end of his MW career against Taylor

He did not need a strength and condition coach to move up to 175, he needed it because of his age and the fact he is not powerful man

he looked a lot healthier v.s tarver than he did against taylor, it's clear

 

[Master Teacher]

nikkas in here shytting on fishnets like he was some bum.

Prime welter DLH would feast on this era of midgets pretending to be welterweights

Trinidad only loses to Floyd in this era, that's it. All these other welters and jr middles go night night.

Nobody shytting on DLH, I said that's the only great win on Trinidad's resume, I state facts

breh DLH started at superfeather weight he's not some goliath

I would rather be 5'8 at 147 than 5'10, if you 5'10 at 147 you need to eat a sandwhich

DLH lost to every great fighter he faced in their prime

so what are you basing this on

 

[krackdagawd]

The fact of the matter is Cotto has a win over margarito, so he avenged his lost

Hopkins was not a natural middle weight he was always a light heavy, this nikka looked like a skeleton even at the end of his MW career against Taylor

He did not need a strength and condition coach to move up to 175, he needed it because of his age and the fact he is not powerful man

he looked a lot healthier v.s tarver than he did against taylor, it's clear

Avenging? last I checked the score was 1-1 and Margarito's win was WAY more impressive.

Yeah you might get away with telling these lies about BHop to other posters friend but not me

How is a nikka that is not a natural middle going to last 15 years in the division?

Go back to trolling these other nikkas friend.

 

[King P]

I remember when that shyt happened. Baldomier was on a hot streak and was the easier fight for the bigger reward being that it was for the lineal title, but Margarito was viewed as the bigger risk and the real goon of the division that nobody wanted to fight. All the real boxing heads wanted to see that bout. The only real reason Baldo got thrown in the mix was because he beat Zab and Gatti when he was really just brought in to lose. Nobody at the time was picking him to beat Floyd. You actually had heads thinking Margarito had a decent shot, and the Castillo fights were only a few years old at that point. Dude was like Castillo on steroids and was fukking nikkas like Six heads and Cintron up.

Floyd ducked Margarito, but he avoided Williams but the time line for that bout happening wasn;t as long an as open as it was for the Margarito bout.

I mean what would have stopped Floyd from beating Tonio and then giving Baldo that work. That's actually what people really wanted to see. Just like Sergio was the man at 160, but everyone knows GGG is the better fighter now and would have likely won if Cotto ain't get to dude first. Almost the same situation with Floyd, Baldo, and Tonio.

Here's why...

If you remember, Floyd's ultimate goal was to get a big fight with De La Hoya. Arum knews this. Mainly because Floyd kept asking him over and over to get him a fight with DLH. And Arum showed no interest in doing so whatsoever, mainly because he was still salty that Oscar left TR and went on to make money without him. Floyd wanted that fight badly, and Arum said no way. At that point, Bob knew that Floyd was leaving him. It was inevitable

So Floyd beats Zab, and then Arum comes and offers him 8 mil. Which is all well and good. But the catch was that Floyd would've had to re-up with TR on a multi-fight deal. Floyd didn't wanna do that, because he knew there would be no chance of him getting a dream fight with Oscar. However, he said he'd be willing to re-up with Arum under only if he would guarantee him 10 mil for fights with Cotto and Hatton in the future. Arum would only guarantee him 7. Mind you that's less than he guaranteed for the Margarito fight. Really? You gonna offer him less money for bigger draw guys

So Floyd said fukk that, bought out his contract, fought Baldomir for 8 mil and the belt, then went on to have his big money fight with Oscar. And the rest was history.

That's why I don't really buy that Margarito talk. Arum intentionally lowballed a guy on the premise that he knew he was leaving and needed ammo to start a smear campaign

In the end, not fighting Margarito was the smartest decision of Floyd's boxing career

 

[Master Teacher]

Avenging? last I checked the score was 1-1 and Margarito's win was WAY more impressive.

Yeah you might get away with telling these lies about BHop to other posters friend but not me

How is a nikka that is not a natural middle going to last 15 years in the division?

Go back to trolling these other nikkas friend.

Because he cut weight to get there, that's why he had no fukking power, this nikka body was frail as fukk he was suppose to be a light heavy his whole career
and could have been if he chose too, matter of fact he didn't lose he would have stayed at middle weight

Terry Norris is an example of somebody who was true to their weight class, you wanna call nikkaz midgets now, Terry Norris was 5'9, but he was solid
he was a real light middle weight