Pressure the gov. of the Dominican Republic to stop its planned "cleaning" of 250k black Dominicans

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It's worse than Jim Crow. It's Nazi/Third Reich Germany style that's happening in the DR.

Again, there's no pity party. It's just the rest of the world can see how foul the DR is. If you want to know what self-hate looks like, just look at the Dominican Republic.

Keep denying your blackness and :cape:for whites who discriminate against you because of your blackness, Dominic00ns...
Who gives a fukk if she identifies as being black or not? Stop pushing your American ideology of race onto people. If she denied being of African descent then that's an entirely different thing, but she didn't.
 

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yeah, that's what I thought. You bytches were quick to answer to @Lewis Black but taking forever to reply in here now ?


Again, you guys know 0 of the shyt going down. NONE. You mudafukkas better keep quiet or I will keep coming back to sonning the shyt out you dumb ass c00ns
 

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^^ Why don't you respond to my post where i quoted what was said by "Carolina Santana Sabbagh".. Which denies all the lies said in your post.

Here it is:

Something has to be said.

Dominican Republic is not a racist country and there is no systematic violence against black people or Haitians or Dominicans of Haitian ascendance. Take this from someone who has observed this process closely, who has disagreed with many decisions of Dominican authorities, but who is also not willing to lie in favor of her expressed positions.

If you have said that Dominican Republic is a racist, xenophobe, systematically violent country against the aforementioned groups, you are either mistaken or lying.

Let’s stick to the facts:

Ruling 168-13 has been highly questioned due to its consequences on the right to citizenship. In short, many have argued that the ruling has retroactive effects and is therefore unfair. The defenders of this idea state that it is not until 2010 that restrictions on ‘jus solis’ (right to citizenship by place of birth) have been imposed, and that the Constitutional Court has ruled that these norms be aplicable to all who have been born on or after 1929, presumably causing that many who have the right to Dominican citizenship, would not have access to it.

On the other hand, those in favor of the ruling have indicated that citizenship regulation has been present since immigration laws were enacted in 1929. Hence, the ruling is not solely legal, but the only viable decision in accordance with the Law.

As to this matter, this is it. Period.

Chapter Number 2: Dominican Government starts a “Regularization Plan”

So, after the ruling, the Dominican Government started a Regularization Plan, (adopting the less severe of all possible measures that would result in accordance to the constitutional interpretation), which basically means that everyone who thought or felt he or she had been left out due to the ruling, and was now facing the possibility of repatriation, could now present him or herself, with the proper documentation at hand, to national authorities without any fear of repatriation, and apply for citizenship, when applicable, or for what would be an equivalent of a “green card”. Meanwhile, all repatriations were officially suspended in order to grant immigrants a period of tranquility that would allow them to work their way through the process without too much to worry about. Thousands of people attended and they have now regularized their status.

Some others did not attend and, in order to help them through this process, the Dominican Government generously extended the official deadline so that everyone who had not attended the process could do so. However, even that generous extension has now arrived to its final deadline.

Note: My mother is white, of Lebanese ascendance, born in DR after 1929, and has had to deal with some of the norms that apply to everyone with her reality. This has also happened to American friends and friends of friends in similar situations. It has nothing to do with race or country of origin. These are just DR's autonomous rules. (Thanks Alicia Butler for the reminder!)

Chapter Number 3: (After a Regularization Plan, The Official Suspension of All repatriations, and A Generous Extension of The Deadlines) Pacific and Regular Immigrant Control Processes Are In Order

Anyone would expect that after all of the above mentioned, the Government of the Dominican Republic would, at some point, start executing the policies that any and all countries apply on immigration-related affairs. Right?

Well, apparently and for some strange reason, that is not what everyone was expecting, but that is exactly what the Dominican Republic has rightfully started doing, humanly, patiently, and peacefully. However, thousands of people, most of them living in other countries and therefore just repeating each other without seeing anything with their own eyes, have denounced that there is a systematically violent approach to the problem, that the rights of people of color and Haitians have been severely affected through acts of violence and discrimination.

This is not true. Please note that there is not one single piece of real evidence that would indicate this.

Scenes from movies have been taken out of context and have been pointed out as real events of tragic violence in Dominican Republic against Haitian families (see picture below), pictures from other countries and other circumstances have been used as “proof” of the discrimination against black people in DR, while white, black, asian, arab… people live peacefully, all together, in every corner of this country. It is a lie, folks, a lucrative lie, that favors powerful interest groups.

I am writing from Santo Domingo; I have family members living in the eastern (Higuey) and central (Ocoa) parts of the island and some others on the western provinces (Barahona) of the country, near the border with Haiti. Please listen to me when I say: There is no chaos in Dominican Republic, nor violence against immigrants. While some have been peacefully repatriated, many have even returned voluntarily, and those who have needed help have been aided by the government in order to make their journey possible, while granting them the opportunity of not facing any sanctions due to illegal immigration, offering them an unprecedented clean slate (see http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2015/06/23/migracion-dice-mas-12-mil-personas-han-retornado-voluntariamente).

PLUS -LAST MINUTE UPDATE-: The administrative process of repatriation is subject to judicial control, which means that judges and courts could evaluate if each deportation was necessary and if it was completed in the correct manner. (Thanks Amaury Reyes for the reminder!)

After the social media came along, we, ordinary people, have been given the opportunity to speak louder and to a larger number of people than ever before. But “with great power, comes great responsibility”. We should always remember that we can be manipulated into communicating lies and have the moral obligation of answering to those intents with honorable doses of courageous truth.

Dominican Republic is a peaceful, beautiful, melting pot; it is a poor country that is finding its way through its social realities and challenges with both a human approach and an orderly point of view. Let us not hurt it unfairly.

(NOTE: IF YOU WILL BE SHARING THIS POST, PLEASE WRITE SOMETHING INDICATING THAT THE PICTURE DOES NOT PORTRAY WHAT IS GOING ON AND HAS BEEN EXTRACTED FROM A MOVIE SCENE, AND THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR CONTACTS READING ITS CAPTION. DUE TO THE SHARING FORMAT ON FACEBOOK, THE PICTURE WILL HAVE MORE PROMINENCE THAN THE TEXT IF YOU DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING ON IT, MAINLY COMMUNICATING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN HERE.)

Disponible en español en: http://thesocialsciencepost.com/es/...inicana-es-un-pais-racista-pues-le-mintieron/

Available in English at: http://thesocialsciencepost.com/en/...can-republic-is-racist-you-have-been-lied-to/
 

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Since you guys saying there's no violence against Haitians, I will do the work for you guys

Just one example




Now, let's look at it this way. Why you guys are not deporting the German, Chinese, Brazilian b*stards running free around DR ?


Here is Vice covering the issue





Let's put it this way. I don't agree with a nation dumping its citizens on another. I m from the North East and I remember DR doing the exact same thing back in the 80s. Dumping people in my city, which led to violence, drugs, brothels...


All you posters in here chanting and shyt saying Haiti leeching off your country are clueless. You guys realize that the government just came up and said they're voiding the birth certificate right ? They have had their certificate since birth. how u gonna remove and rescind birth certificates ? Most of them are like 3rd generation Haitian-Dominicans who know nobody in Haiti and do not even speak the language ? Some are clearly undocumented and that I can't argue with. There was a doctor who received the deportation letter, but once they found out he was a doctor, he received an apology the next day.

So you guys saying that it's legal whgat they're doing and they're following the constitution, right ?

Why is my cousin allowed to stay there undocumented while he barely speaks Spanish ?

Please, explain this


Who said the was absolutely no violence against Haitians in DR?
Who says that the DR isn't looking to deport or hasn't made to register people of other nationalities?
Who says that just because you're born somewhere you get to be a citizen of that place?
Who says there are 3rd generation, non-creole speaking, Domincan-Haitians that are being deported?
Who says if your cousin gets reported to the authorities that he won't get deported or be forced to register?

Gotdamn. Reminded myself of brother Malcolm:wow:

Again, you dumb as fukk and uninformed. A humanitarian crisis works in the favor of DR. They will get the help, not Haiti. That point was brought up in debates already and DR alledgedly agreed not to deport if the US dish out a couple mils (heard 50 mil) of assistance to help those refugees.

Carry on though

Lol. Don't listen to allegations. Try and search for truth.
 

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^^ Why don't you respond to my post where i quoted what was said by "Carolina Santana Sabbagh".. Which denies all the lies said in your post.

Here it is:


good.

Let's look up this lie on youtube about Xenophobia and racism


Here is a video for you. From 9:20-20:00




Please, refute this video for me


You're posting shyt people are saying. Let me remind you. I have Dominican families and lotta friends who live there as engineers, doctors, soldiers, hotel managers. They are well off and they would rather stay quiet instead of trying to make up shyt like you're doing here
 

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good.

Let's look up this lie on youtube about Xenophobia and racism


Here is a video for you. From 9:20-20:00




Please, refute this video for me


You're posting shyt people are saying. Let me remind you. I have Dominican families and lotta friends who live there as engineers, doctors, soldiers, hotel managers. They are well off and they would rather stay quiet instead of trying to make up shyt like you're doing here


shyt like that happens in third world countries, breh.

What's happening now is much more civilized. They've come a long way in 10 short years. Even then you saw Dominicans standing in solidarity with the mistreatment of the Haitians.
 

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Who said the was absolutely no violence against Haitians in DR?
Who says that the DR isn't looking to deport or hasn't made to register people of other nationalities? No they have not. In fact, it's well known the Germans traffic the kids and do some vile pedo shyt, but never prosecuted. They don't even allow Dominicans in the highly touristic areas and resorts of capital.
Who says that just because you're born somewhere you get to be a citizen of that place? Which country has ever taken away nationality and force you to apply for citizenship every year ? Keep in mind the birth certificate is obly valid for 48 hours for the Haitian Dominicans
Who says there are 3rd generation, non-creole speaking, Domincan-Haitians that are being deported? I already posted the Vice video as evidence. NEXT!
Who says if your cousin gets reported to the authorities that he won't get deported or be forced to register?

He been living there for 15 years and had mad political ties and huge donator to political campaigns. He was reported twice but he was deemed as a resource to the city of Puerto Plata. :russ::russ:

but but constitution...

Gotdamn. Reminded myself of brother Malcolm:wow:



Lol. Don't listen to allegations. Try and search for truth.


I like your points. You sound civilized but uninformed. Let me add for you


There have been posts here that said there was no violence against Haitians.
 

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what's your opinion on this ?


On the whole matter ? i think its blown out of proportion ever since i was kid we have been hearing about "deporting all Haitians" from DR and anyone who has actually been there knows that impossible and the closer you get to border with Haiti those towns for all purposes are mostly Haitian so it would take pretty much all out guerrilla war to "clear" those towns , that and the fact the the average Dominican DOES NOT hate Haitians much less hate "being black" , same thing anyone who has actually been there knows its laughable
 

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shyt like that happens in third world countries, breh. but in this case it was racially motivated and targeted only a particular group of people.

What's happening now is much more civilized. They've come a long way in 10 short years. Even then you saw Dominicans standing in solidarity with the mistreatment of the Haitians.


Of course. SOme DOminicans do because they know it's an agenda of the whiter part of DR who sells everything, even their family to Europeans just to get that white approval.

Meanwhile you got those dumb ass posters here defending shyt and saying "deport deport ... Haitians this and Haitians that" Sad to see such a confused an uninformed nation. It's like some DOminicans have value and know what and who they are but some rather make some bulshyt up to distance themselves from what they are.

Keep in mind also, lots of Dominicans you see standing against this are Haitian descent or have family/friends that are also Haitians
 

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On the whole matter ? i think its blown out of proportion ever since i was kid we have been hearing about "deporting all Haitians" from DR and anyone who has actually been there knows that impossible and the closer you get to border with Haiti those towns for all purposes are mostly Haitian so it would take pretty much all out guerrilla war to "clear" those towns , that and the fact the the average Dominican DOES NOT hate Haitians much less hate "being black" , same thing anyone who has actually been there knows its laughable


you lost me here. Most DOminicans hater being called "Black". They see themselves as DOminicans but not "BLACK". Idk the meaning or connotation of Black in DR but nobody minds being called white.

My own cousin won't talk to me cuz I keep calling him "black man" :manny:
 

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you lost me here. Most DOminicans hater being called "Black". They see themselves as DOminicans but not "BLACK". Idk the meaning or connotation of Black in DR but nobody minds being called white.

My own cousin won't talk to me cuz I keep calling him "black man" :manny:


:yeshrug: Ive said this before/had this discussion on here but call a Jamaican , a Guyanese , a Trini etc a black person ( all folks of obvious African descent ) they will say there not black , they will say they are Jamaican, Guyanese , Trini same thing with Dominicans but for watever reason on the coli its an obsession that every Dominican wants to burn there skin off :mjlol:

:yeshrug: see thats the problem everyone goes on personal opinion, u have a cousin who hates being called a black man, i have one who has no problem being called a black man, and for every Dominican who hates being called a black i say there is African american person who will describe themselves as "mixed" before they say there black
 

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Who said the was absolutely no violence against Haitians in DR?
Who says that the DR isn't looking to deport or hasn't made to register people of other nationalities? No they have not. In fact, it's well known the Germans traffic the kids and do some vile pedo shyt, but never prosecuted. They don't even allow Dominicans in the highly touristic areas and resorts of capital.
Who says that just because you're born somewhere you get to be a citizen of that place? Which country has ever taken away nationality and force you to apply for citizenship every year ? Keep in mind the birth certificate is obly valid for 48 hours for the Haitian Dominicans
Who says there are 3rd generation, non-creole speaking, Domincan-Haitians that are being deported? I already posted the Vice video as evidence. NEXT!
Who says if your cousin gets reported to the authorities that he won't get deported or be forced to register?

He been living there for 15 years and had mad political ties and huge donator to political campaigns. He was reported twice but he was deemed as a resource to the city of Puerto Plata. :russ::russ:

but but constitution...

Gotdamn. Reminded myself of brother Malcolm:wow:



Lol. Don't listen to allegations. Try and search for truth.

I like your points. You sound civilized but uninformed. Let me add for you


There have been posts here that said there was no violence against Haitians.

Just letting you know that undocumented people of all countries have to go through the process.

288,466 immigrants from 23 countries enrolled in the regularization process

In the DR you're not considered legal if your parents were illegal. A lot of your guys are angry about people being Stateless, but for all intents and purpose SOME people were already that. This just gives them a path to citizenship and like I've said in the past, gives them an opportunity to come out of the shadows.

If the US passed something like this for the Mexicans the liberals would be thrilled.

I saw the Vice video, lol, I've actually been posting them. It's not evidence of 3rd generation Dominicans being deported, breh. DR has barely deported anyone at all, since the end of registration.

:pachaha: now you know damn well there's no way to verify that shyt about your cousin
 

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edit your post because no black jamaican objects to being called black. maybe the coolie ones or the chinese ones, but certainly not a fukkin one of african descent. don't slander my people because you don't know shyt. now if you want to talk about those c00ns who are bleaching that's another topic entirely.
 

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but in this case it was racially motivated and targeted only a particular group of people.

Of course. SOme DOminicans do because they know it's an agenda of the whiter part of DR who sells everything, even their family to Europeans just to get that white approval.

Meanwhile you got those dumb ass posters here defending shyt and saying "deport deport ... Haitians this and Haitians that" Sad to see such a confused an uninformed nation. It's like some DOminicans have value and know what and who they are but some rather make some bulshyt up to distance themselves from what they are.

Keep in mind also, lots of Dominicans you see standing against this are Haitian descent or have family/friends that are also Haitians

It might be ethnically motivated, like in other cases of conflict around the world but not racially. Like I said, according to the DR census 90% of the population is mulato or dark skinned. Stop trying to pull the race card.
 
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