Pressure the gov. of the Dominican Republic to stop its planned "cleaning" of 250k black Dominicans

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stripping hundreds of thousends of people of their legally acquired citizenship is not an atrocity? they have no rights. they cannot vote, they cannot go to the police, they cannot travel, they cannot get health insurance, they cannot go to school or universiy, they can't legally work and they are under the constant threat of getting deported to a country they never set foot in and where they will have no rights either. how the fukk is that not an atrocity. would you want to live under those conditions? what's happening in the dr at the moment is a fukking discgrace and goes against every principle of the rule of law.

this is not about immigration, this is about taking away citizenship from people born as dominicans.

How exactly do you expect the DR to enforce this? What will be the true effects on those affected?

Don't get outraged just for the sake of being outraged.

Take a look at immigration laws around the world. It's normal.

Sovereign States like to control their borders
 

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im sure they'll get around to it as soon as they done deporting haitians themselves

Nah, many blacks in the non spanish speaking countries are disgusted of the c00nery and the inhumane treatment of Haitian people.
 

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How exactly do you expect the DR to enforce this? What will be the true effects on those affected?

Don't get outraged just for the sake of being outraged.

Take a look at immigration laws around the world. It's normal.

Sovereign States like to control their borders

They're literally rounding up Haitians and people who look Haitian on busses and driving them out of the country.

:francis:

 

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Nah, many blacks in the non spanish speaking countries are disgusted of the c00nery and the inhumane treatment of Haitian people.

you right i forgot about the black solidarity being shown from the non spanish speaking carribean nations towards the haitians

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/w...up-as-bahamas-tightens-immigration-rules.html

NASSAU, Bahamas — Kenson Timothee was walking down the street when a uniformed officer asked him a question that sends Bahamians of Haitian descent like him into a panic these days: Do you have a passport?

Mr. Timothee, who was born in the Bahamas to illegal Haitian immigrants, wound up jailed in immigration detention for six weeks. He is one of hundreds of people swept up in a fiercely debated new immigration policy in the Bahamas requiring everyone to hold a passport, a rule that human rights groups say unfairly targets people of Haitian descent.

Mr. Timothee had proof that he was born in the Bahamas, but because he had trouble obtaining his absentee father’s birth certificate, his application for Bahamian citizenship was never completed.

“I showed them that I had applied for citizenship, but they said that wasn’t good enough; as far as they are concerned, you are not Bahamian, you are Haitian, and you need to get deported,” Mr. Timothee said. “I don’t know anything about Haiti.”

On Thursday, the Bahamian government announced that the new policy would go a step further: By next fall, schools will be asked to ensure that every child has a student permit. The annual $125 permit and a passport with a residency stamp will be required even of children born in the Bahamas who do not hold Bahamian citizenship.

The tough new policy echoes similar stances around the region, where new citizenship policies and anti-immigration measures have overwhelmingly affected Haitians, who are fleeing the hemisphere’s poorest country and are the most likely group to migrate illegally in great numbers. The top court in the Dominican Republic ruled in 2013 that the children of illegal immigrants, even if they are born in the country, did not have the right to citizenship.

Facing an international backlash, the Dominican government came up with a plan to prevent tens of thousands of people from becoming stateless, but months later, few people had managed to complete the process. With few successes to tout, in October the Dominican government extended the application period for another three months.

In Turks and Caicos, a top immigration official vowed early in 2013 to hunt down and capture Haitians illegally in the country, promising to make their lives “unbearable.” The country had already changed its immigration policies in 2012, making it harder for children of immigrants to obtain residency. Last year, Turks and Caicos said it would deploy drones to stop Haitian migration.

In Brazil, politicians considered closing a border with Peru last year to stem the tide of Haitians, and last month, Canada announced that it would resume deporting Haitians.

Here in the Bahamas, Mr. Timothee’s arrest coincided with stepped-up immigration raids in predominantly Haitian shantytowns, where people who lacked passports or work permits were apprehended. When illegal immigrants ran from officers, the agents knocked down doors and took their children, and the photos of toddlers being carried away circulated widely on social media.

Since the policy took effect Nov. 1, children born in the Bahamas have been deported with their parents, and others with Haitian-sounding names have been pulled from school classrooms, human rights observers said. The government acknowledges that even Bahamian citizens with French surnames are frequently arrested by mistake. In September alone, 241 Haitians were deported, according to government figures.

Though 85 percent of Bahamians support the new policy according to one poll, it has set off a round of international condemnation. A Florida legislator called for a tourism boycott of the Bahamas and organized a protest at the nation’s Miami consulate. Citing some of the more alarming cases, including that of a pregnant Haitian woman who gave birth on an immigration detention center floor aided only by other detainees, several international groups have asked the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights to intervene.

Immigration officials in the Bahamas say their policies do not target any particular group, provide a better sense of who is living in their country, and could deter thousands of Haitian migrants from taking to the high seas each year in boats that often sink.

“We had situations where 100 people were showing up every day; that’s unsustainable,” said Frederick A. Mitchell, the Bahamian foreign minister. “That situation had spiraled out of control.”

Annette M. Martínez Orabona, director of the Caribbean Institute for Human Rights, said she recently visited the Bahamas to investigate the new policy, arguing that it fit into a broad context of immigration crackdowns in the region.

“It’s all guided by discriminatory practices toward persons of Haitian origin,” she said.

Children like Mr. Timothee’s 5-year-old daughter are in a particularly precarious legal situation, she said. If nationality is passed down by blood and Mr. Timothee has no citizenship, then what passport would his daughter get?

“The third generation is in a black hole,” Ms. Martínez said.

In the Bahamas, the Constitution says that people born there to parents who were not citizens have the right to apply for citizenship between their 18th and 19th birthdays. In a country where one in 10 Bahamians is of Haitian descent, many people never apply, and others face years of administrative delays, leaving an untold number of people in the country without documentation.

The new policy forces them to apply for a passport from their parents’ country of origin. Americans who have children in the Bahamas regularly get United States passports for them, and this is no different, Mr. Mitchell said.

“There’s nothing wrong with being Haitian,” Mr. Mitchell said.

But the people affected by the new policy are leery of obtaining citizenship from Haiti, a country most of them have never visited.

“It’s a trick,” said Fred R. Smith, a civil rights lawyer in the Bahamas who has become the policy’s most vocal critic. “Once you apply for a Haitian passport, you’re already a citizen of another country, and you no longer fit into a category where the Bahamas is under an obligation to give you citizenship. You are no longer stateless.”

He said the government had routinely descended on an area, apprehended a few hundred people, and “hauled off” anyone who could not produce papers on the spot. The majority of detainees are released when their relatives or employers come to the detention center with their paperwork.

Some people have been deported even though they were born in the Bahamas. People like Mr. Timothee, whose citizenship status is pending, wind up in limbo. Others, like Rose St. Fleur, have been sent home with an admonishment to carry their paperwork.

Ms. St. Fleur, a 29-year-old Bahamian citizen, said she had been picked up twice since October. She was 32 weeks pregnant when neighbors watched agents drag her down the street onto a bus, she and her neighbors said.

“When they asked me my name and I told them, they said, ‘That’s a foreign last name,’ ” Ms. St. Fleur said. “I told them, ‘Yes, but I am a Bahamian citizen.’ ” She said they replied, “You still have to come with us.”

Many people have not been able to obtain documents because the paperwork required, including certified copies of both parents’ birth certificates, is difficult to obtain. The Haitian government, itself crippled by political infighting and a halting recovery from the earthquake five years ago, has been unable to speedily produce records for the hundreds of thousands of people in the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas who are suddenly in need of decades-old birth records.

Because of delays in obtaining Haitian passports, thousands of Bahamians are now at risk of having no nationality at all.

“The person who may have a delay in getting papers is not stateless,” Dwight L. Beneby, the Bahamas’ assistant director of immigration. “It’s not that we’re trying to get rid of people or trying to get out of giving them citizenship. If you are here, let’s know who you are.”

Francois Guillaume II, who was Haiti’s minister of Haitians living abroad when the policy was announced, said the new policy came without warning.

“It’s troubling when we have cases of people who have never lived in Haiti and are sent to a country that is completely foreign to them,” said Mr. Guillaume, who lost his position in a recent ministerial shuffle. “It must be traumatizing for them.”

Most of the Bahamian-born deportees were children, but one was 18 years old, and it was unclear why she was not given the opportunity to seek legal residency, he said.

“I don’t think there is an anti-Haitian sentiment in the area; I believe there are countries experiencing social pressure and are trying to look for solutions,” Mr. Guillaume said. “Some solutions are rash. Sometimes they are politically motivated. Nonetheless, we hope the solutions respect international norms.”

http://antiguaobserver.com/jamaica-immigration-haitian-refugees-sent-back-home/

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March 30, 2010 CMC Regional 7 Comments


KINGSTON, Jamaica, CMC – Sixty two Haitians who arrived here last week to seek refuge from the earthquake devastation in their homeland were repatriated late Monday.

The group of Haitians was joined by five of their compatriots, who previously arrived in Jamaica illegally, for the trip back home to the neighbouring country.

They boarded a Jamaica Defence Force Coast Guard vessel docked in the eastern parish of Portlandshortly after 9PM under the supervision of the police and military. They are scheduled to arrive in Haiti on Tuesday.

“We have a responsibility to ensure that they are safely on board and taken where they are going. Police personnel are on board along with members of the Jamaica Defence Force,” said Inspector Steve Brown, the head of the communications arm of the police force.

Last week, the Golding administration said the Haitians could not be accommodated for an extended period due to financial constraints and had to draw on funds donated by the community to the Haitian Relief Fund to support them while they were in Jamaica.

However, the Haiti/Jamaica Association described the government’s action as harsh and insensitive.

The association’s president, Myrtha Delsume, said she was upset that the Haitians were sent home even though their country is still struggling in the aftermath of the massive January earthquake that killed an estimated 300,000 people and left more than one million others homeless.

“I was very heartbroken to hear that they were being repatriated into the rubble and the desperate situation that they were fleeing. I understand that there were some economic constraints but it is very harsh to think that we have turned away the people who have collapsed on our doorsteps literally, it’s a very sad, tragic situation,” Delsume said.

With the likelihood of more Haitians fleeing the desperate situation in their homeland, the police have announced that they will be maintaining regular sea patrols.

“The waters are always being patrolled, but you would understand that our borders are porous and they can come just about anywhere, from our perspective we will continue to patrol our waters,” Brown said.
 

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How exactly do you expect the DR to enforce this? What will be the true effects on those affected?

Don't get outraged just for the sake of being outraged.

Take a look at immigration laws around the world. It's normal.

Sovereign States like to control their borders
i already told you the true effects. these people get stripped of their rights. they might not all get deported, but they are no longer citizens and no longer have a secure status because everyday, they could be deported. they can't go to schools or university, they can't use public services anymore, they will most likely get extorted by the police who tell them "hay que brindar" to prevent getting extorted, they don't have the right to vote anymore, they can't leave the country, because once they do they won't be allowed to come back. they also can't leave the country because they have no passports. this whole thing got started by a girl that wanted to get a visa so she could travel abroad to study on a scholarship. so in order to get a passport, she wanted to get a copy of her birth certificate, which was refused, so she could not leave the country and was prevented from studying. they can't get proper jobs because they are not citizens anymore and can't get a work permit because they have no legal status. they can't get health insurence, they have no access to any public service (health, education....) basically everything you need to present an id for, they cannot do. would you want to live like that?
 

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How exactly do you expect the DR to enforce this? What will be the true effects on those affected?

Don't get outraged just for the sake of being outraged.

Take a look at immigration laws around the world. It's normal.

Sovereign States like to control their borders
how many nations are stripping their own citizens of citizenship?

you right i forgot about the black solidarity being shown from the non spanish speaking carribean nations towards the haitians

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/w...up-as-bahamas-tightens-immigration-rules.html



http://antiguaobserver.com/jamaica-immigration-haitian-refugees-sent-back-home/
i know you're a proud Dominican but what the DR government is doing is inexcusable
 

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how many nations are stripping their own citizens of citizenship?


i know you're a proud Dominican but what the DR government is doing is inexcusable

im not even co-signing it. its fukked up to revoke birthright citizenship. but a weak 3rd world country with massive corruption problems is going to do whatever it feels necessary to avoid adding another country's problems. if it was up to me i would revoke it as of 2010 or something like that, not 1929.

im just saying, before u pull out the racism pitchforks, realize that everybody in the carribean, black countries included, is doing their best to get rid of haitian immigrants. even ones born there to illegal parents.
 

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Wonder how they are gonna put up a fight against this fukked up act.
 

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They're literally rounding up Haitians and people who look Haitian on busses and driving them out of the country.

:francis:



Immigration sweeps, eh?

That's an uncommon practice worldwide:troll:

i already told you the true effects. these people get stripped of their rights. they might not all get deported, but they are no longer citizens and no longer have a secure status because everyday, they could be deported. they can't go to schools or university, they can't use public services anymore, they will most likely get extorted by the police who tell them "hay que brindar" to prevent getting extorted, they don't have the right to vote anymore, they can't leave the country, because once they do they won't be allowed to come back. they also can't leave the country because they have no passports. this whole thing got started by a girl that wanted to get a visa so she could travel abroad to study on a scholarship. so in order to get a passport, she wanted to get a copy of her birth certificate, which was refused, so she could not leave the country and was prevented from studying. they can't get proper jobs because they are not citizens anymore and can't get a work permit because they have no legal status. they can't get health insurence, they have no access to any public service (health, education....) basically everything you need to present an id for, they cannot do. would you want to live like that?

:yeshrug:

They have a path to get their documentation.

If and when the DR enforces their law as long as they do it humanely its their sovereign right.

It's not like being born in Haiti automatically makes you a Haitian citizen, either

This is really not anything outrageous in the world
 
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