President Obama coming to Chi-Raq to 'talk about the gun violence'

[acri1]

Is Obama so arrogant to believe that people in the South Side who are shooting each other are gonna give 2 fukks as to what he thinks they should be doing? What a loser.

But if he didn't go then you'd complain about him not giving a fukk about the hood.

 

[Broke Wave]

But if he didn't go then you'd complain about him not giving a fukk about the hood.

I've already complained about this. This token speech about gun violence which is impending does not address my concerns. At least he can do this speech in the south-side. If he at least does that he will earn some part of my respect but that seems unlikely. Why is he giving speeches about stuff that he can solve

He's running around giving speeches like he's not the fukking President of the United States of America.

 

[yawn]

I've already complained about this. This token speech about gun violence which is impending does not address my concerns. At least he can do this speech in the south-side. If he at least does that he will earn some part of my respect but that seems unlikely. Why is he giving speeches about stuff that he can solve

He's running around giving speeches like he's not the fukking President of the United States of America.

What can he do to solve the problem of Gun violence in Chicago?

 

[daze23]

Why is he giving speeches about stuff that he can solve

I'll bite. how could he solve this "stuff"?

 

[Broke Wave]

What can he do to solve the problem of Gun violence in Chicago?

@daze23

If we check all the academic research and studies which have come out over the last 30 years, we can see that gun violence is invariably linked with access and poverty. Gun violence is a side effect of letting those two things spin out of control.

The president can lobby for and push for a jobs program in the South Side of Chicago in specific, and other such neighborhoods in the field of rebuilding the dilapidated infrastructure and other badly needed construction projects. In addition to this, the CPD budget is 1.3 billion dollars... the cost of one B-2 Stealth Bomber is 2.2 billion dollars... I'm not saying stop building the B2 but there is a severe miscalculation of funds in Washington if they are unable to allocate federal funds to a police department which seems to be making cuts all the time... This is just off the top... He does need the support of congress, and it would not pass the Republican house right away however this is not an excuse for not even trying. Why not push this and sell it to the American people. Why not try and be the president you said you were. Put the congressmen in the hot seat to vote against something that is very popular. This is what FDR did... and this is what Obama would do if he actually cared at ALL about what was happening in the innercities.

 

[88m3]

Is Obama so arrogant to believe that people in the South Side who are shooting each other are gonna give 2 fukks as to what he thinks they should be doing? What a loser.

Spoken like an angsty teen I think you have the loosers confused

 

[Broke Wave]

Spoken like an angsty teen I think you have the loosers confused

Would you recommend a 2010 a4 with decent-low mileage? How does it drive? How's the reliability? Sport enough? Options? Did you get anything after market? Do you think anything is better in that price range?

Preciate it.

 

[daze23]

@daze23

If we check all the academic research and studies which have come out over the last 30 years, we can see that gun violence is invariably linked with access and poverty. Gun violence is a side effect of letting those two things spin out of control.

The president can lobby for and push for a jobs program in the South Side of Chicago in specific, and other such neighborhoods in the field of rebuilding the dilapidated infrastructure and other badly needed construction projects. In addition to this, the CPD budget is 1.3 billion dollars... the cost of one B-2 Stealth Bomber is 2.2 billion dollars... I'm not saying stop building the B2 but there is a severe miscalculation of funds in Washington if they are unable to allocate federal funds to a police department which seems to be making cuts all the time... This is just off the top... He does need the support of congress, and it would not pass the Republican house right away however this is not an excuse for not even trying. Why not push this and sell it to the American people. Why not try and be the president you said you were. Put the congressmen in the hot seat to vote against something that is very popular. This is what FDR did... and this is what Obama would do if he actually cared at ALL about what was happening in the innercities.

do you at least appreciate that the funds for the Chicago Police Department come from a very different place than the funds for the b-2 bomber? (btw, I think the b-2 has been out of production since the 90's)

 

[yawn]

@daze23

If we check all the academic research and studies which have come out over the last 30 years, we can see that gun violence is invariably linked with access and poverty. Gun violence is a side effect of letting those two things spin out of control.

The president can lobby for and push for a jobs program in the South Side of Chicago in specific, and other such neighborhoods in the field of rebuilding the dilapidated infrastructure and other badly needed construction projects. In addition to this, the CPD budget is 1.3 billion dollars... the cost of one B-2 Stealth Bomber is 2.2 billion dollars... I'm not saying stop building the B2 but there is a severe miscalculation of funds in Washington if they are unable to allocate federal funds to a police department which seems to be making cuts all the time... This is just off the top... He does need the support of congress, and it would not pass the Republican house right away however this is not an excuse for not even trying. Why not push this and sell it to the American people. Why not try and be the president you said you were. Put the congressmen in the hot seat to vote against something that is very popular. This is what FDR did... and this is what Obama would do if he actually cared at ALL about what was happening in the innercities.

You just asked the President to work with people who have proven time and again that they will not work with him.
The President could use the empirical data you used to show them how to save and why it's needed but they just don't give a fukk.
If he were to spend his time focusing/selling this one important issue the machine would spin it as him being divisive and only caring about black problems thus igniting his opponents base and possibly adding more Neanderthals in 2014 to an already broken system.

 

[Broke Wave]

do you at least appreciate that the funds for the Chicago Police Department come from a very different place than the funds for the b-2 bomber? (btw, I think the b-2 has been out of production since the 90's)

It's no longer being built actively but other more expensive and equally useless military machines are. I do appreciate that the funds come from different places but lets both try to appreciate the magnitude of the problem and the relatively minute amount of funds needed to solve it. I'm not asking for a double of every major cities police department but some federal bolstering will help.

You just asked the President to work with people who have proven time and again that they will not work with him.
The President could use the empirical data you used to show them how to save and why it's needed but they just don't give a fukk.
If he were to spend his time focusing/selling this one important issue the machine would spin it as him being divisive and only caring about black problems thus igniting his opponents base and possibly adding more Neanderthals in 2014 to an already broken system.

I'm not asking Obama to work with the republicans at all... I'm asking him to force them to do the politically popular thing which is what I've outlined. The republicans have only been in control of the house for 2 years... they will be swept out of the house just as easily as they were swept in if the president puts forth a strong progressive agenda, part of which should address the crumbling inner cities. You can't worry about what "the machine" is going to do to Obama when I believe Obama is a part of that "machine". The point is when Obama wants something done it happens for the most part... and when Washington wants something done it happens for the most part... but when the corporate interests want something done it happens yesterday.

 

[daze23]

It's no longer being built actively but other more expensive and equally useless military machines are. I do appreciate that the funds come from different places but lets both try to appreciate the magnitude of the problem and the relatively minute amount of funds needed to solve it. I'm not asking for a double of every major cities police department but some federal bolstering will help.

what exactly is the order of operations for a municipal police department to receive extra federal funds?

 

[Broke Wave]

what exactly is the order of operations for a municipal police department to receive extra federal funds?

Friend I am from a far away and distant land called Canada so we have a different structure of public finance... despite this obvious handicap I can of about 3 ways off the top right now of how to fund the CPD through federal dollars.

1. The purchase of Municipal bonds through the fed window, giving the city of Chicago more funds overall to operate.

2. Direct transfer in emergency funds distributed to the state Ala the 2009 stimulus.

3. An FBI joint task force with the CPD would allow for FBI funds to be allocated to the field -- This has been done with state police in places with high border drug activity and with organized crime ala the NYPD and Mafia.

 

[yawn]

I'm not asking Obama to work with the republicans at all... I'm asking him to force them to do the politically popular thing which is what I've outlined. The republicans have only been in control of the house for 2 years... they will be swept out of the house just as easily as they were swept in if the president puts forth a strong progressive agenda, part of which should address the crumbling inner cities. You can't worry about what "the machine" is going to do to Obama when I believe Obama is a part of that "machine". The point is when Obama wants something done it happens for the most part... and when Washington wants something done it happens for the most part... but when the corporate interests want something done it happens yesterday.

A majority of state legislatures are Republican held. Dems could win the whole congress but the Repubs would just filibuster as usual.
They don't care about this country and are not going to do anything new and will continue to pressure Obama to adopt their failed beliefs.

You are forgetting that Obama is not a progressive President and I agree with you about Obama not caring about violence in his hometown and the disappearance of the middle class.

@Friend I am from a far away and distant land called Canada

 

[Jesus]

Friend I am from a far away and distant land called Canada so we have a different structure of public finance... despite this obvious handicap I can of about 3 ways off the top right now of how to fund the CPD through federal dollars.

1. The purchase of Municipal bonds through the fed window, giving the city of Chicago more funds overall to operate.

2. Direct transfer in emergency funds distributed to the state Ala the 2009 stimulus.

3. An FBI joint task force with the CPD would allow for FBI funds to be allocated to the field -- This has been done with state police in places with high border drug activity and with organized crime ala the NYPD and Mafia.

Exactly why you need to shut the fukk up about issues not in your country.

 

[PortCityProphet]

the people who need to be there listening won't be there so i dont see the point