What? Who the fukk are they pushing that's negative?. Who dictates what sells fans or execs?
Post Mike Brown: Hip Hop doesn't feel right to me anymore
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95% of the radio/.
John Hull
You can’t see me!
LOL at posting a video about Eugenics and psuedo-science to disprove my point about your wicked white man.
Since you went down this path, I'll throw in a few more if your "educational" video didn't cover them. MK Ultra, HAARP, Tuskegee Experiment, Chicago Experiment, Manhattan Project, Agent Orange, etc etc ad nauseum...
How does this disprove my point about white supremacy?
Unfortunately this thread is about Hip Hop in this current era being used to justify nikkas being executed by law enforcement- and the cac media supporting it. My point was that white supremacy doesn't need a reason to wipe us out, and it's being going on longer than Hip Hop.
Your point was "HEY LOOK OVER THERE CHEMTRAILS"
Like I said before Skippy we don't need your deflection tactics here, go fukk yourself.
John Hull
You can’t see me!
So you are comparing Death Certificate with Birth Of A Nation and King Kong? Come on bruh, do the knowledge or something.
fukk Tha Police predates the Rodney King verdict and the L.A Riots. NWA and the Geto Boys were a few of the voices speaking out against police brutality in that era. Hip Hop was still too new and vibrant for cacs to understand what they were spitting, the genre was still subversive at that point.
I'll give you Dre and the Death Row era, by then it was borderline demonic and had c00n elements even tho the music was still powerful. There's levels to this shyt.
I don't agree we should throw the baby out with the bath water and let cacs run wild with Hip Hop. Where's your fukking spine? Just start dissing these wack mufuggas over a beat like nikkas use to do, is that too much to ask?
How the hell does Justin Bieber not get a diss record? Yeah, ya'll cats is MOIST.
LOL at posting a video about Eugenics and psuedo-science to disprove my point about your wicked white man.
Since you went down this path, I'll throw in a few more if your "educational" video didn't cover them. MK Ultra, HAARP, Tuskegee Experiment, Chicago Experiment, Manhattan Project, Agent Orange, etc etc ad nauseum...
How does this disprove my point about white supremacy?
Unfortunately this thread is about Hip Hop in this current era being used to justify nikkas being executed by law enforcement- and the cac media supporting it. My point was that white supremacy doesn't need a reason to wipe us out, and it's being going on longer than Hip Hop.
Your point was "HEY LOOK OVER THERE CHEMTRAILS"
Like I said before Skippy we don't need your deflection tactics here, go fukk yourself.
An entire quarter of the documentary was about MK Ultra, and they discuss most of the things the US Military did to places around the world and US, such as spraying bacteria over populaces etc.
As far as your deflection assumptions go.
I've called you 0 names but you've tried to dehumanize me in multiple ways. And my very point that I was trying to make was that they DEFLECT YOUR ANGER AND AGGRESSION instead of towards them, now at me. It's working like a charm actually. I mean you no harm, but they do.
Oh and for the record, it's not just hip hop. It's all music, because once again, this isn't about color. Color doesn't divide us, wealth does.
Im completely with you fam. I dont even check for these new cats music these days. I listen to the radio but its the same songs over and over. None of it is worth anything. Sure you dance to it in the club but thats it. Its not
I'm not really talking about his first 3 solo albums. More so he Friday series which in retrospect is pure c00nry.
I can remember cube trying to get Chris Tucker to do his character in all the sequels and Chris declining siting he didn't like the way he was being portrayed in the film..
It's almost like Chris disassociated himself from the Friday brand.
Cube played a role in selling out too. Maybe not as grand a role (Dr.Dre) but a significant one nonetheless
I can remember cube trying to get Chris Tucker to do his character in all the sequels and Chris declining siting he didn't like the way he was being portrayed in the film..
It's almost like Chris disassociated himself from the Friday brand.
Cube played a role in selling out too. Maybe not as grand a role (Dr.Dre) but a significant one nonetheless
I had a long ass reply typed up...lost it 
I'll try to sum it up though, and this is without feeding off of what has gone on in the thread since the first couple days.
Basically as someone who's in your age range, while I wouldn't draw a direct connection between Mike Brown, police brutality and Hip Hop I do feel like for you, and maybe some other people that this serves as one of those sobering moments in regards to your relationship with Hip Hop. Hip hop is the mirror, always will be, and at this point in time this is what your reflection is showing you.
I have long since had that moment, so it didn't connect with me in that sense, but I understand where your head is/was at. On a personal note (I touched on this in my original reply) we all grew up listening to negative shyt, a lot of just sounded like conversation to me because I grew up in an environment of violence and crime away from music, yet there are plenty of us that know how to set the music down, but what about those who can't?
I got a younger cousin that I took guardianship of who's grown but mentally about 8 or 9 years old due to his condition. He's not one of those people who CAN sit the music down, dealing with him has been another one of those moments for me where I have had to contemplate the balance point of the NECESSITY, as a spiritualist that I see for the expression and acknowledgement of negative energy and aspects of self in a safe way and the effects of that expression on the impressionable. There is middle ground, there is an internal debate that you may not have until you are pulled outside of your personal circumstances.
I find myself wanting to censor what this technically grown man listens to because I can see the negative effects in real time because his mind is so wide open to suggestion. He asks me to get music for him, I tell him that being a grown up which is what i'm trying to teach him how to do, is about choices. If you get a hold of negative influences on your own, that's your will...but as a mentor I refuse to hand you a loaded gun, you want me to load up your IPOD with music it will be something I feel comfortable with you repeating or reenacting.
You wanna be like Boosie huh? Boosie just got out of prison my nikka...again...the mirror is being held up for me. I'm like what do I gotta do to get you to hear what I'M SAYING to you, put it to a beat? That is the power (not the obligation) of the MC.
The problem is capitalist, consumer culture. Hip Hop is a creative force yet the majority of the rap music being sold is being made for consumption and not creations sake.
I'll try to sum it up though, and this is without feeding off of what has gone on in the thread since the first couple days.
Basically as someone who's in your age range, while I wouldn't draw a direct connection between Mike Brown, police brutality and Hip Hop I do feel like for you, and maybe some other people that this serves as one of those sobering moments in regards to your relationship with Hip Hop. Hip hop is the mirror, always will be, and at this point in time this is what your reflection is showing you.
I have long since had that moment, so it didn't connect with me in that sense, but I understand where your head is/was at. On a personal note (I touched on this in my original reply) we all grew up listening to negative shyt, a lot of just sounded like conversation to me because I grew up in an environment of violence and crime away from music, yet there are plenty of us that know how to set the music down, but what about those who can't?
I got a younger cousin that I took guardianship of who's grown but mentally about 8 or 9 years old due to his condition. He's not one of those people who CAN sit the music down, dealing with him has been another one of those moments for me where I have had to contemplate the balance point of the NECESSITY, as a spiritualist that I see for the expression and acknowledgement of negative energy and aspects of self in a safe way and the effects of that expression on the impressionable. There is middle ground, there is an internal debate that you may not have until you are pulled outside of your personal circumstances.
I find myself wanting to censor what this technically grown man listens to because I can see the negative effects in real time because his mind is so wide open to suggestion. He asks me to get music for him, I tell him that being a grown up which is what i'm trying to teach him how to do, is about choices. If you get a hold of negative influences on your own, that's your will...but as a mentor I refuse to hand you a loaded gun, you want me to load up your IPOD with music it will be something I feel comfortable with you repeating or reenacting.
You wanna be like Boosie huh? Boosie just got out of prison my nikka...again...the mirror is being held up for me. I'm like what do I gotta do to get you to hear what I'M SAYING to you, put it to a beat? That is the power (not the obligation) of the MC.
The problem is capitalist, consumer culture. Hip Hop is a creative force yet the majority of the rap music being sold is being made for consumption and not creations sake.
Kenny West
Veteran
My irony meter just exploded
Kendrick Lamar was signed to Interscope way before he blew up, Sosa wasn't. Kendrick is more of a Jimmy Ivoine creation then Chief keef ever was. Same goes for J.Cole, Wale and Drake, all more industry creations then Bobby Schmurda. In an era where gangsta rappers are no longer that popular its the street nikkas or 'negative' artists you are naming who are actually the ones who blow up organically without the industry co signs you're 'positive' rappers need to get onBu-bu-but how can this be? After all the music business is in the business of attempting to destroy the black community via promoting 'negative' black artists ( how they do this i do not know since more whites listen to said negative black artists than blacks)
Or maybe, just maybe the music business is just that, the business of selling music.Supply and demand. We, the fans fuel the demand, we loved Don't Like, we made Chief Keef happen, but none of you self righteous fukks wants to admit to that, that would mean holding ourselves accountable for putting such a negative influence at the forefront of our culture, and we all know how nikkas feel about accountability
It's so much easier to blame Jimmy Ivoine for signing a rapper we made hot
@ bold. That's kind of my point. Keef was signed off the street and given a major label debut that same year. Kendrick dropped 3 projects over the course of what, 5+ years before getting the same distribution level as Keef did. Who's message did you think Interscope is in a rush to get out?
Also an artist just being signed to a deal doesn't make them a "industry creation" you twit. How the fukk is J.Cole an industry creation? And Wale?
Getting industry co-signs, making connections and exposing your brand to their fans IS building your buzz organically too. They have to network, even at the bottom level of this rap shyt. but anywayLet's check the stats: Bobby Schmurda: 2 songs ==> Record deal
Drake: 2 mixtapes ===> Record deal
Wale 5 mixtapes maybe 2 under his major ===> undershipped major label debut
Keef 0 projects under his deal ===> Major label debut (in under 12 months mind you)
J.Cole 4 mixtapes 2 under his deal ===> Major label debut
Also it's funny how you bring up supply and demand and who we made hot. Chief Keef aint hot.
My irony meter just explodedFlopped first week. 0 buzz present day. at the end of the day this is a business. a MUSIC business. chief keef was signed because of an IMAGE. Cole Drake Wale etc came with music. Sosa owes most of his music buzz to Young Chop, it left when he left. he owes the rest to interest in the drill rap scene. I blame the internet for that more that though cause most folks aint find the rest of music that hot. Don't Like was one hot song. Came and went. The cat daddy nikkas had a bigger song and didn't get the Jimmie Iovine instagram'd contract signing and album rollout.
Iovine invested a lot in sosa in a short amount of time, it was hilarious seeing the waste of money. nikka didn't show up to the video shoot for his own single killing it's buzz itself.
ive kinda been feelin like this for a while. not really in regards to these events, but just that shyt in general has gotten stale and dudes are puttin out garbage. if you wana talk about the bolded you dont have to look much farther than drill music
but its not my place to speak on thatidk breh theres still some good shyt out there with substance. ive been bumpin this all day, just found it a couple hours ago but missed it when it dropped
It's a zeitgeist when 90s and early 2000 Hip-Hop is the only thing that feels/sound right for this current sign of the times
Link?
But there are parallels between the violence of the past and what happens today. Images and stereotypes built into American culture have fed prevailing assumptions of black inferiority and wantonness since before the time of Jim Crow. Many of those stereotypes persist to this day and have mutated with the times. Last century’s beast and savage have become this century’s gangbanger and thug, embedding a pre-written script for subconscious bias that primes many to accept what they were programmed to believe about black Americans, whether they are aware of it or not.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...oting-jim-crow-lynchings-in-common?CMP=twt_gu
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...oting-jim-crow-lynchings-in-common?CMP=twt_gu
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
Why arent you blaming the fans instead of the execs? The people behind the music only care about $$$$$, they put out whatever is hot at the "moment", they don't care about the content, only the sales. If we don't like it.They will put out something that we do. Its that simple, it's only a business to them. Just like the reality shows, once one channel does it and the ratings go up, other channels will copy them. It's business to them, not "lets destroy the black community"
If we don't want/buy it, they won't put it out.
"Hot"
What's hot is subjective and over the last decade it's become quite clear that we don't know if it's fans making specific artists hot or the puppet masters pushing them onto the masses.
We've all known the last 15 years or so that Africans are not spending their money on the music.
The minstrel show isn't adding up because the consumer isn't spending yet trash is still being marketed hand over fist.
So how can I blame fans if there is no proof fans are actually fans?