Post Mike Brown: Hip Hop doesn't feel right to me anymore

[Truth200]

 

[PhonZhi]

That's because that hybrid Hip Hop/R&B singer is what is popular in the mainstream. Chris Brown is the most visible but he is not the only one.

Isn't there an Aloe Blacc out there putting out albums? I saw Raphael Saddiq in LA just last summer and he crushed it. Now I won't pretend to be an R&B expert and it's not my deal really but just casually I know about these kinds of artists. I am sure if I LOOKED I could find more. Or maybe it is just LA that has this easy access to shows at random places all around the area.

You guys are complaining loudly but is this same effort spent going to shows and digging for albums? You know what sounds like an excuse? You guys complaining that music isn't hand delivered to you.

I only hear Aloe Blacc on the white stations

 

[3rdWorld]

Hop hop hasnt felt right for a very long time. There will have to be a lot of self reflection and introspection from all Black artists now. I know some of them want this Mike Brown pro Black unity feeling to blow over quickly so they can get back to business as usual, bottles, models, pills and the inane shyt they yap about. Many of these Black artists, are in a difficult corner right now and feel uncomfortable living in this pro Black era if thats what it ends up being. They are in a conundrum.
Most Black artists today would feel uncomfortable sharing space with an upfront and blunt Dead Prez type act, or an early Cube. If you base your career on pandering and dancing for cacs like 99% of the current industry, Dead Prez and Ice Cube are fukking up your money. You see them as scaring away potential white dollars you had intended to shuck and jive for. You know how it is even bringing a white friend around some Black folks. I dont think many rappers are ready to embrace a strong pro Black movement now in music. I dont think they have the strength.
The South for all the shyt they've flooded the market with, had the Geto Boys who were very political and social but this was a decade ago. I dont think none of these trap acts can sing anything different. And if we were to list the serious rappers with conscious music we'd end up at maybe 3 or 4.

 

[The Electric Lady]

I have mixed emotions about hip hop right now but I am leaning towards agreeing with the op. White people have felt black people were a threat long before our hip hop fore fathers were even a gleam in their parent's eye, so to rely on them for help us is absurd. The images we put forth are damaging to black youth. We criticize and complain when white people portray us as thugs on predominately white entertainment, as we should. We complain when black actors put on a dress which feminizes the perception of the black male to the world, as we should. We complain when we are seen shucking and jiving, as we should. But if we do this, we have to have the same resolve when we have a chance to put our own images forth. The way we treat black women in music and videos is absolutely disgusting. Can you imagine how many young girls are growing up with the images of Love and Hip Hop, Real Housewives etc. as their definition of women. The way we talk about our fellow brothers in music is absolutely disgusting. While we need to report on whats going on in our neighborhoods, we also have a responsibility to say how we can fix it. Violence sells in rap but it doesnt mean its the right thing to talk about for an entire album. Crack rap sells but it doesnt mean it should be the main focus of an album.The whole time the protesting was going on in Furgeson, I wonder how many voter registration tents were set up to register the 12% of black voters registered in the city. When we get the stage to make a impact, we have to drive the dagger directly into white supremacy. Images of black people doing the right thing on television and in music will spark change in our youth. Im all for building a black utopia within the US, but we need to take control of our image.

edit: they were registering voters a couple of days ago

Thank you for eloquently saying what I was trying to say

 

[10:31]

Hop hop hasnt felt right for a very long time. There will have to be a lot of self reflection and introspection from all Black artists now. I know some of them want this Mike Brown pro Black unity feeling to blow over quickly so they can get back to business as usual, bottles, models, pills and the inane shyt they yap about. Many of these Black artists, are in a difficult corner right now and feel uncomfortable living in this pro Black era if thats what it ends up being. They are in a conundrum.
Most Black artists today would feel uncomfortable sharing space with an upfront and blunt Dead Prez type act, or an early Cube. If you base your career on pandering and dancing for cacs like 99% of the current industry, Dead Prez and Ice Cube are fukking up your money. You see them as scaring away potential white dollars you had intended to shuck and jive for. You know how it is even bringing a white friend around some Black folks. I dont think many rappers are ready to embrace a strong pro Black movement now in music. I dont think they have the strength.
The South for all the shyt they've flooded the market with, had the Geto Boys who were very political and social but this was a decade ago. I dont think none of these trap acts can sing anything different. And if we were to list the serious rappers with conscious music we'd end up at maybe 3 or 4.

I'm proposing letting the genre go.


Anything that will have a end result with evil white supremacist counting paper at our expense is part of the problem. So of it's mainstream/underground fake independent whatever LET IT GO.

Now I can genuinely respect Tech 9s true independent hustle.


If we started a new genre.. (Almost like puritans leaving Europe for the Americas) there are so many options and opportunities for us initially it may seem scary.


Just follow me

Spoken word meets DJ Drama and J.Dilla

16 bars are 4-8 bars and the words don't have to rhyme as long as it rhythmic


Most importantly we can control the content. Much like the inception of Hip Hop we can still party and have a good time but most importantly we can speak out and talk our shyt against the system..

We can rebel again.. The messages can be direct and concise.


We can still sip Ciroc but we don't have to plug it. We can take the logo off the bottle..

We can put our music directly on ITunes.. We can develop our own Merch and we can do shows once the people start to respond.

MOST IMPORTANTLY we can share the music here on the coli. Open critique of the art to make sure it's always on point.

 

[deaddd]

Clap for a wigga wit his bloggin ass



Right, you start off with a couple of logical fallacies,

(ad hominem, tu quoque) and then expect to be taken seriously?

I see thru you cap, mister " what about black on black crime, reverse racism is just as bad" etc..

Go read a book or something

when white people kill other white people, they don't even have a term for it. happens every day but the media hasnt stigmatized it. what fallacies? being educated about national behaviorism science the vast majority has no clue about. something isn't untrue just because you haven't bothered to educate yourself on it.

here's a two hour documentary about how the us government has been shaping your every ideal for their own gain since 1950. shytty unknown scientists like Pavlov had a lot to do with it... wait.

 

[Truth200]

Hop hop hasnt felt right for a very long time. There will have to be a lot of self reflection and introspection from all Black artists now. I know some of them want this Mike Brown pro Black unity feeling to blow over quickly so they can get back to business as usual, bottles, models, pills and the inane shyt they yap about. Many of these Black artists, are in a difficult corner right now and feel uncomfortable living in this pro Black era if thats what it ends up being. They are in a conundrum.
Most Black artists today would feel uncomfortable sharing space with an upfront and blunt Dead Prez type act, or an early Cube. If you base your career on pandering and dancing for cacs like 99% of the current industry, Dead Prez and Ice Cube are fukking up your money. You see them as scaring away potential white dollars you had intended to shuck and jive for. You know how it is even bringing a white friend around some Black folks. I dont think many rappers are ready to embrace a strong pro Black movement now in music. I dont think they have the strength.
The South for all the shyt they've flooded the market with, had the Geto Boys who were very political and social but this was a decade ago. I dont think none of these trap acts can sing anything different. And if we were to list the serious rappers with conscious music we'd end up at maybe 3 or 4.

Well said...

 

[director_of_bands]

Case in point,

William Roberts gets into deep water with one of his corporate sponsors over his lyric (which had been said by other artists BOTH blk/white) which spawns a fauxed protest which ends with the formal release from the legal binding agreement between he and the sponsor


At the time we all chuckled.. Out of all the exaggerated lyrics that come from an artist who barely goes gold (not much influence when assessed from a numbers aspect) you focus on 3-4 bars that in the grand scheme of things is harmless. However, women put enough pressure on the corporate sponsor and they release the end user they employed to market their brand to the urban demographic for their retro rebook releases

Hmmmm


As if they had no idea who they signed to market their brand?

The verbal message sent on the surface is clear.. Those lyrics against women will not be tolerated or else...


The non verbal message is.. All the other exaggerated lyrics that market self hate and destruction toward blacks is ok..


That ^^

That can program a black and white mind to subconsciously devalue black life. We're only going to make a fuss when you say something about rape

But all your other destructive lyrics (usually engineers toward your on own kind) are ok....


"Because that's just what you black people do"?


No sir.. In the grand scheme of things hip hop is a tool being used directly by white supremacist media as propaganda to condition people's minds on how to frame a race.

Why is it in black face?

this

 

[Surreal]

Let entertainers raise your children brehs...

 

[10:31]

Let entertainers raise your children brehs...

Less about that and mrke about the system put into place that's targeted African culture

More about conditioning and programming being used by all forms of mass media when grouping a specific demographic

 

[Surreal]

Less about that and mrke about the system put into place that's targeted African culture

More about conditioning and programming being used by all forms of mass media when grouping a specific demographic

A man is in charge of his own destiny. I was born in the 70s and grew up in a time where alot didn't make it.
In 2014 if you fail as a man, it's you. Saying Hiphop has anything to do with that is scapegoating the genre and diffusing your parenting or lack thereof

 

[10:31]

A man is in charge of his own destiny. I was born in the 70s and grew up in a time where alot didn't make it.
In 2014 if you fail as a man, it's you. Saying Hiphop has anything to do with that is scapegoating the genre and diffusing your parenting or lack thereof

I assure you I'm not blaming hip hop or scapegoating hip hop.

My focus are on the enablers. The people who control hip hop from behind the scene I've stated that throughout the thread

 

[Vice Gripp]

I assure you I'm not blaming hip hop or scapegoating hip hop.

My focus are on the enablers. The people who control hip hop from behind the scene I've stated that throughout the thread

Only 4 major labels. Most of em also have they hands in the indies too... like Tech N9ne's Strange Music label is distributed retail by Fontana, which is a subsidiary of Universal Music Group.

I got a call from an A&R from Def Jam talkin bout gettin me a deal, hit my celly from UMG corporate offices in NY. I told em to go fukk himself. They want puppets who don't know anything about business so they can abuse them and lock them into contracts they can't get out of. Partly why they go after uneducated, ignorant rappers who don't know any better than to just sign the first thing in front of them.

So 4 major labels basically own the industry.... conglomerates own most of the radio and tv stations... and people like Rupert Murdoch own over 1000 newspapers / magazines. These are the funnels of your vision; the reason you see the same shyt over and over. Certain people are shaping your life and you don't even know it. Sociological engineering. This is ish they learned from the Nazi's and Roman's before them. Eugenics type ish. Pure evil.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I only hear Aloe Blacc on the white stations

That doesn't change the point that there are more than just Chris Brown representing R&B. And Chris Brown, he also plays on those safe stations.

Just for the record a lot of those stations have shifted to songs that Latinos like as they are a huge population and growing in this country. The idea of 'black and white stations' are long gone in major cities. Even KIIS FM in LA, the biggest 'white station' in the country, has made a conscious shift.

 

[10:31]

Only 4 major labels. Most of em also have they hands in the indies too... like Tech N9ne's Strange Music label is distributed retail by Fontana, which is a subsidiary of Universal Music Group.

I got a call from an A&R from Def Jam talkin bout gettin me a deal, hit my celly from UMG corporate offices in NY. I told em to go fukk himself. They want puppets who don't know anything about business so they can abuse them and lock them into contracts they can't get out of. Partly why they go after uneducated, ignorant rappers who don't know any better than to just sign the first thing in front of them.

So 4 major labels basically own the industry.... conglomerates own most of the radio and tv stations... and people like Rupert Murdoch own over 1000 newspapers / magazines. These are the funnels of your vision; the reason you see the same shyt over and over. Certain people are shaping your life and you don't even know it. Sociological engineering. This is ish they learned from the Nazi's and Roman's before them. Eugenics type ish. Pure evil.

Let's post pics of these presidents and CEOs who put these A&Rs on the dummy mission to find talent to keep these roles filled..