Post Mike Brown: Hip Hop doesn't feel right to me anymore
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As we push the discussion
It's only right that we start bringing in statistics to support our claims. I'm going to pull numbers based on the racial demographics of the consumer.
With music sales being down across the board it's going to be interesting to see what percentage of fans are left buying hip hop and what their race and ethnicities are.
Once again, we've already established that the system is generating millions off of destructive black images irregardless of sub genre (Conscious Rap/Gangsta Rap)
We've already established that ALL the Presidents and CEOs of these record labels are Jewish-white men
Now it's time hon in the consumer and their spending power.
i really dont even get why alot of folks even listen to hip-hop..
seems like they barely like anything about it.. see more complaining, than anything these days.. just dont fukk with it..
seems like they barely like anything about it.. see more complaining, than anything these days.. just dont fukk with it..
People are just hanging around hoping the god times return..hop hop couldnt survive the onslaught of a new genre if one were to be developed.
Rigby.
The #1 Rated Mixtape of all Time
Been steph curry with the shot boy
still alot of good music out there.. a whole lot.. alot of good shows/live sets..
i dont get the gripes with hip-hop.. its like every day, theres 2/3 threads like this.. its almost like these folks would much rather complain, keep up with BS trivial gossip and do everything except enjoy the genre.. the complaints are never legitimate.. just complaints.. if you dont like it, theres plenty of other music/genres to discover and gripe about as well..
alot of these older heads are turning into the same bitter older heads we would clown growing up.. sh!ts borderline pathetic..
More critics and consumers than creators....they don't give anything back to the culture yet have expectations that need to be met in regards to it. There is a feedback loop here, and a lot of these so called "heads" and "fans" are out of it.
thank you..
these cats making these threads, aint trying to push the culture.. in anyway, whatsoever.. they aint dropping new music, new videos, classic videos, classic albums/tracks, putting folks onto new artists.. nothing..
i mean.. someone already mentioned it.. but, OP is a whats popular/in-the-moment dikkrider as-is.. of course he's barely into hip-hop anymore.. theres no one popular enough for him to enjoy it..
That's really where I'm at now. I just stopped listening save for a handful of artists/songs here and there. No need to complain, just find what you like and move on.
I do agree with the OP's premise. I pretty much gave up on street/negative imagery after 50's The Massacre came out.
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
Allllll of this.
Motherfukkers really just need to stop looking for shyt to blame society's ills on
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
Jesus could come down from the heavens just to become a rapper, land on a track produced by pete rock/djpremier/dr dre/and the rza all at once, with a guest appearance from Allah and people would still complain that the shyt isn't like it was.
You want to know why? Because no matter how good a song may be in 2014 or 2015 it isn't going to give most people the same feeling as they were as kids chilling in the park during the summer bbqing when 'Aint Nothing But A G Thang' came on.
thank you..
these cats making these threads, aint trying to push the culture.. in anyway, whatsoever.. they aint dropping new music, new videos, classic videos, classic albums/tracks, putting folks onto new artists.. nothing..
i mean.. someone already mentioned it.. but, OP is a whats popular/in-the-moment dikkrider as-is.. of course he's barely into hip-hop anymore.. theres no one popular enough for him to enjoy it..
It's like I said in a similar thread, Hip Hop doesn't end just because the reign on top as the dominant force in entertainment does...if anything that will revitalize the essence of it that resides underneath the fast food variety, but we gotta let the need for recognition (from the same people we complain about no less) go.
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
All the various genres of music has their crap and their classics...their highly rated contemporary stuff, and their song of the day weed plate shyt.
Hip Hop is just like every other thing in this world. Once the suits and corporations get involved more than the artists, it becomes harder to find the good shyt and easier to find the disposable crap.
It's like that with food, television, movies, music, everything.
Hip Hop is just like every other thing in this world. Once the suits and corporations get involved more than the artists, it becomes harder to find the good shyt and easier to find the disposable crap.
It's like that with food, television, movies, music, everything.
According to the Pew Research center,
64% of whites and 61% of blacks state that hip hop has a negative impact on society. While 17% of whites and 18% of blacks state the opposite (hip hop has little to no impact on society).
"What accounts for that bad influence?, In an open-ended question, black Americans, like both whites and Hispanics, most frequently cite bad or offensive lyrics, as well as the negative depiction of women and the promotion of violence or gangs. Overly sexual content, glorification of an unrealistic life style and immoral messages were also frequently cited."
http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/07/14/obamas-black-audience/
^^(Typical observation with data to support it but we've already stated our goal ISN'T TO BLAME HIP HOP BUT HON IN ON ITS GATEKEEPERS) ^^
In an article written 9 years ago and featured in the Wall Street Journal
80% of the consumers who actually purchase the music are white.
"Simmons Lathan was cited in a Forbes.com article last year: "SLMG says its customer base is the 45 million hip-hop consumers between the ages of 13 and 34, 80 percent of whom are white." But Mr. Griffin says the company was using statistics from Vibe Magazine. Vibe, in turn, was using stats from Mediamark Research Inc., best known for reporting the demographics of magazine readers, according to Lou Lopez, research consultant for Vibe. "It's important for our advertisers," Mr. Lopez told me. "Sometimes they have you slotted as a black magazine. Currently almost a quarter of our readers are white."
^^(One of the more obvious claims that have become redundant over the years. White people love hip hop)^^^
Now lets move forward
Stumbled across this interesting research paper written by a white man (Walter Edward Hart) titled:
"THE CULTURE INDUSTRY, HIP HOP MUSIC AND THE WHITE PERSPECTIVE:HOW ONE-DIMENSIONAL REPRESENTATION OF HIP HOP MUSICHAS INFLUENCED WHITE RACIAL ATTITUDES"
Here is a couple of excerpts, I would encourage you all to read it in its entirety.
http://www.academia.edu/428185/THE_...P_MUSIC_HAS_INFLUENCED_WHITE_RACIAL_ATTITUDES
CHAPTER 1 INTRODUCTION
The culture industry’s cycle of assumptions is the interaction between the director(Culture industry), the author (hip hop artist), and the audience (White consumer). Together thethree combine to create ideological outcomes that reflect and reinforce historically negative White racial attitude.
Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the intellectual climate began to change as America entered World War II to fight the Nazi racism. During this period scientists, biologists, social scientists,and psychologists began to abandon the notion of biological inferiority (Schuman, etal 1997).In the 1997 book, Racial Attitudes in America, Howard Schuman, Charlotte Steeh, LawrenceBobo, and Maria Krystan, break down the last sixty years of American racial history into four periods: prelude to civil rights politics,
- 1930-1954; the modern civil rights movement,
- 1954-1965;the unfinished civil rights agenda,
- 1965-1979; and retrenchment and reaction, 1980-1997
Frankfurt School authors such as Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer and HerbertMarcuse extensively critiqued the media’s ability to influence the thoughts, perceptions, and beliefs of consumers. In their 1947 book,The Dialectic of Enlightenment , Adorno and Horkheimer named the combination of radio, print, television, and advertising the “culture industry.”
They critiqued the culture industry’s power to create false consciousness and reinforce dominant ideologies, which lead to reproduction of ideology instead of expansion ofthe mind. The Culture Industry Each single manifestation of the culture industry inescapably reproduces human beings as what the whole has made them.And all its agents, from the producer to the women’sorganizations, are on alert to ensure that the simplereproduction of mind does not lead on to the expansion ofmind. (Horkheimer and Adorno 1947:100)
The culture industry has limited the representation of hip hop to narrow, negative associations of Blackness, and by “letting commercialized hip hop become a nearly constant caricature of gangstas, pimps, and hoes, we’ve come to equate black poverty with black street life. This denies and silences a wide range of black urban ghetto experiences and points of view which venerates predatory street culture” (Rose 2008:139).These limited caricatures of black poverty reinforce Whites’ negative racial attitudes of the Black culture being inherently dysfunctional and responsible for their own inequality (Schuman, etal 1997, Sears, etal 2000, Charles and Bobo 2009, Huddy and Feldman 2009, Rose 2008,Kitwana 2002). The saturation of these images “produces representations that attempt to induce consent to certain political positions, getting members of the society to see specific ideologiesas ‘the way things are’” (Kellner 1995:59). In other words, the saturation of narrowrepresentations of Blacks as gangstas, pimps, and hoes through commercial hip hop, creates an illusion that what is represented is a seamless extension of the Black reality:
1.4 Commodification of Hip Hop Music The more densely and completely its techniques duplicate empirical objects, the more easily it creates the illusion that the world outside is a seamless extension of the one which has been revealed in the cinema. (Horkheimer and Adorno1947:99)
We don't own it
We don't buy it
Yet its still being showcased in black face due to it's ownership not the consumer
Once again, this thread wasn't created to knock Hip Hop but to knock the enablers.. Miss me with this modern day minstrel
64% of whites and 61% of blacks state that hip hop has a negative impact on society. While 17% of whites and 18% of blacks state the opposite (hip hop has little to no impact on society).
"What accounts for that bad influence?, In an open-ended question, black Americans, like both whites and Hispanics, most frequently cite bad or offensive lyrics, as well as the negative depiction of women and the promotion of violence or gangs. Overly sexual content, glorification of an unrealistic life style and immoral messages were also frequently cited."
http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/07/14/obamas-black-audience/
^^(Typical observation with data to support it but we've already stated our goal ISN'T TO BLAME HIP HOP BUT HON IN ON ITS GATEKEEPERS) ^^
In an article written 9 years ago and featured in the Wall Street Journal
80% of the consumers who actually purchase the music are white.
"Simmons Lathan was cited in a Forbes.com article last year: "SLMG says its customer base is the 45 million hip-hop consumers between the ages of 13 and 34, 80 percent of whom are white." But Mr. Griffin says the company was using statistics from Vibe Magazine. Vibe, in turn, was using stats from Mediamark Research Inc., best known for reporting the demographics of magazine readers, according to Lou Lopez, research consultant for Vibe. "It's important for our advertisers," Mr. Lopez told me. "Sometimes they have you slotted as a black magazine. Currently almost a quarter of our readers are white."
^^(One of the more obvious claims that have become redundant over the years. White people love hip hop)^^^
Now lets move forward
Stumbled across this interesting research paper written by a white man (Walter Edward Hart) titled:
"THE CULTURE INDUSTRY, HIP HOP MUSIC AND THE WHITE PERSPECTIVE:HOW ONE-DIMENSIONAL REPRESENTATION OF HIP HOP MUSICHAS INFLUENCED WHITE RACIAL ATTITUDES"
Here is a couple of excerpts, I would encourage you all to read it in its entirety.
http://www.academia.edu/428185/THE_...P_MUSIC_HAS_INFLUENCED_WHITE_RACIAL_ATTITUDES
CHAPTER 1 INTRODUCTION
The culture industry’s cycle of assumptions is the interaction between the director(Culture industry), the author (hip hop artist), and the audience (White consumer). Together thethree combine to create ideological outcomes that reflect and reinforce historically negative White racial attitude.
Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the intellectual climate began to change as America entered World War II to fight the Nazi racism. During this period scientists, biologists, social scientists,and psychologists began to abandon the notion of biological inferiority (Schuman, etal 1997).In the 1997 book, Racial Attitudes in America, Howard Schuman, Charlotte Steeh, LawrenceBobo, and Maria Krystan, break down the last sixty years of American racial history into four periods: prelude to civil rights politics,
- 1930-1954; the modern civil rights movement,
- 1954-1965;the unfinished civil rights agenda,
- 1965-1979; and retrenchment and reaction, 1980-1997
Frankfurt School authors such as Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer and HerbertMarcuse extensively critiqued the media’s ability to influence the thoughts, perceptions, and beliefs of consumers. In their 1947 book,The Dialectic of Enlightenment , Adorno and Horkheimer named the combination of radio, print, television, and advertising the “culture industry.”
They critiqued the culture industry’s power to create false consciousness and reinforce dominant ideologies, which lead to reproduction of ideology instead of expansion ofthe mind. The Culture Industry Each single manifestation of the culture industry inescapably reproduces human beings as what the whole has made them.And all its agents, from the producer to the women’sorganizations, are on alert to ensure that the simplereproduction of mind does not lead on to the expansion ofmind. (Horkheimer and Adorno 1947:100)
The culture industry has limited the representation of hip hop to narrow, negative associations of Blackness, and by “letting commercialized hip hop become a nearly constant caricature of gangstas, pimps, and hoes, we’ve come to equate black poverty with black street life. This denies and silences a wide range of black urban ghetto experiences and points of view which venerates predatory street culture” (Rose 2008:139).These limited caricatures of black poverty reinforce Whites’ negative racial attitudes of the Black culture being inherently dysfunctional and responsible for their own inequality (Schuman, etal 1997, Sears, etal 2000, Charles and Bobo 2009, Huddy and Feldman 2009, Rose 2008,Kitwana 2002). The saturation of these images “produces representations that attempt to induce consent to certain political positions, getting members of the society to see specific ideologiesas ‘the way things are’” (Kellner 1995:59). In other words, the saturation of narrowrepresentations of Blacks as gangstas, pimps, and hoes through commercial hip hop, creates an illusion that what is represented is a seamless extension of the Black reality:
1.4 Commodification of Hip Hop Music The more densely and completely its techniques duplicate empirical objects, the more easily it creates the illusion that the world outside is a seamless extension of the one which has been revealed in the cinema. (Horkheimer and Adorno1947:99)
We don't own it
We don't buy it
Yet its still being showcased in black face due to it's ownership not the consumer
Once again, this thread wasn't created to knock Hip Hop but to knock the enablers.. Miss me with this modern day minstrel