Poor Sam Bradford......Schotty

[NYC Rebel]

yes it does

and its only lazy when its convenient for you

Check this int out.

It had more to do with wrong personnel by the coaching staff and just a bad route.

1. This is a smash route. The outside man is running a short comeback route while the slot man is runs a corner route. The object is to take advantage of the underneath space provided by the outside receiver.

2. Sanchez made the right read. It was man to man and the corner route by Hill was supposed to work since he beat his man to the corner. One problem......Cumberland, a TE who more than likely isn't familiar with playing outside, runs the route TOO FAR.

3. Cumberland's man comes off of him and then makes the int.


This was a combination of a player who shouldn't have been in that position to run that route in the first place and bringing his man TOO the play.

B-b-b-b-blame the quarterback....right?


IT'S LAZY

 

[Maschine_Man]

Check this int out.

It had more to do with wrong personnel by the coaching staff and just a bad route.

1. This is a smash route. The outside man is running a short comeback route while the slot man is runs a corner route. The object is to take advantage of the underneath space provided by the outside receiver.

2. Sanchez made the right read. It was man to man and the corner route by Hill was supposed to work since he beat his man to the corner. One problem......Cumberland, a TE who more than likely isn't familiar with playing outside, runs the route TOO FAR.

3. Cumberland's man comes off of him and then makes the int.


This was a combination of a player who shouldn't have been in that position to run that route in the first place and bringing his man TOO the play.

B-b-b-b-blame the quarterback....right?


IT'S LAZY

SMH, you know whats lazy? talking about individual plays as your reason that a player is not the problem

plays like that happen all the time to every QB, it was a bad play by the offense and the receiver, and alot of times a qb(of any team) will thrown an INT and it really won't even be there fault. I accept that as I'm sure most real football fans that watch the games do.

but this isn't about one or two plays, this is over a full game or games
even seasons

you can't tell me that Sanchez has been playing at anything over a mediocre level EVER during his career

and right now he's terrible


so yes, it DOES start with the QB. DOn't pretend like it doesn't


SHyt, this thread is about Schotty, and you are complaining about personnel problems on the field now and coaching...during that play?? well shouldnt' Sparano be accountabkle for that?


you fukkin homers have no integrity. If it ain't one thing its another. ANd its always someone elses fault when something goes wrong. Why not jsut admit what the actual problems are.
Admit that you aren't as good as you'd like to think

EVERYONE that has ever watched, played, coached, football KNOWS that if you want to win it starts with the QB

Even a game manager like Dilfer was important. because even though he wasn't a great QB, he did enough to score points and not turn the ball over.

Stop playing games

 

[NYC Rebel]

SMH, you know whats lazy? talking about individual plays as your reason that a player is not the problem

plays like that happen all the time to every QB, it was a bad play by the offense and the receiver, and alot of times a qb(of any team) will thrown an INT and it really won't even be there fault. I accept that as I'm sure most real football fans that watch the games do.

but this isn't about one or two plays, this is over a full game or games
even seasons

you can't tell me that Sanchez has been playing at anything over a mediocre level EVER during his career

and right now he's terrible


so yes, it DOES start with the QB. DOn't pretend like it doesn't


SHyt, this thread is about Schotty, and you are complaining about personnel problems on the field now and coaching...during that play?? well shouldnt' Sparano be accountabkle for that?


you fukkin homers have no integrity. If it ain't one thing its another. ANd its always someone elses fault when something goes wrong. Why not jsut admit what the actual problems are.
Admit that you aren't as good as you'd like to think

EVERYONE that has ever watched, played, coached, football KNOWS that if you want to win it starts with the QB

Even a game manager like Dilfer was important. because even though he wasn't a great QB, he did enough to score points and not turn the ball over.

Stop playing games

Dog...I was addressing THIS STATEMENT by you regarding it always falling on the QB.

yes it does

and its only lazy when its convenient for you

I gave one example of poor personnel and bad route running was the problem, NOT THE QB.

You and this "everyone knows this" crap sounds like garbage. My point is, it's LAZY to always "blame the qb" when not even knowing what's going on on the field.

Everybody DOESNT know what's going on during a course of a play.

NO....they don't. They just know the end result of the stats, the limitations of TV cameras and lazily blame the QB.

It could be put in your face and you'd STILL blame the QB...why? Because you're lazy.

You're not interested in talk about play design or scheme. You're not interested in poorly run routes or incompetent personnel. You'd rather talk about Grade 1 level beliefs using parroted words and cliches like "it starts with the QB." No....that's LAZY and uninvolved thinking.There are bad coaches, schemes and players which contribute to ints. Eveyrone knows that....but SO WHAT...right?

 

[I'm Chillin]

SMH, you know whats lazy? talking about individual plays as your reason that a player is not the problem

plays like that happen all the time to every QB, it was a bad play by the offense and the receiver, and alot of times a qb(of any team) will thrown an INT and it really won't even be there fault. I accept that as I'm sure most real football fans that watch the games do.

but this isn't about one or two plays, this is over a full game or games
even seasons

you can't tell me that Sanchez has been playing at anything over a mediocre level EVER during his career

and right now he's terrible


so yes, it DOES start with the QB. DOn't pretend like it doesn't


SHyt, this thread is about Schotty, and you are complaining about personnel problems on the field now and coaching...during that play?? well shouldnt' Sparano be accountabkle for that?


you fukkin homers have no integrity. If it ain't one thing its another. ANd its always someone elses fault when something goes wrong. Why not jsut admit what the actual problems are.
Admit that you aren't as good as you'd like to think

EVERYONE that has ever watched, played, coached, football KNOWS that if you want to win it starts with the QB

Even a game manager like Dilfer was important. because even though he wasn't a great QB, he did enough to score points and not turn the ball over.

Stop playing games

It starts with the line b

 

[NYC Rebel]

It starts with the line b

Apparently, the media doesn't say that enough for him to parrot it.

Lineplay isn't media sexy enough for them to regurgitate that FIRST truth.

 

[heisenburrr]

funny you picked this play, let's look a bit more into this one

oops, uncovered receiver, Sanchez quick snaps and Cumberland has easy TD


this is what good QBs do



and let's not act like Sanchez didn't underthrow that pass....

(NB. i can't claim this analysis,it comes for a BR writer)

 

[NYC Rebel]

funny you picked this play, let's look a bit more into this one

oops, uncovered receiver, Sanchez quick snaps and Cumberland has easy TD


this is what good QBs do



and let's not act like Sanchez didn't underthrow that pass....

(NB. i don't claim this analysis,it comes for a BR writer)

LOL @ the bleacher report.

The Jets moved the outside man on the top of the screen in motion.

The ball wasn't underthrown. Cumberland ran the route too deep. The DB had no reason to be there outside of the receiver bringing him there.

The smash concept is one of the easiest thing in football. That idiot BR writer took a still photo prior to the playcall and made a story about it.



The ball wasn't underthrown and clearly, Cumberland is not used to being an outside receiver...and he shouldn't.

He's a TIGHT END. That was a bad player personnel decision by Sparano.

Second...the week prior, Sanchez tried to hit Cumberland on a hot read against the Steelers and the dumb ass kept running instead of recognizing the coverage.

The dumb ass BR writer probably doesn't know that even good QBs know not to go to idiot receivers on reads you're talking about.

 

[heisenburrr]

LOL @ the bleacher report.

The Jets moved the outside man on the top of the screen in motion.

The ball wasn't underthrown. Cumberland ran the route too deep. The DB had no reason to be there outside of the receiver bringing him there.

The smash concept is one of the easiest thing in football. That idiot BR writer took a still photo prior to the playcall and made a story about it.



The ball wasn't underthrown and clearly, Cumberland is not used to being an outside receiver...and he shouldn't.

He's a TIGHT END. That was a bad player personnel decision by Sparano.

Playcall is most certainly made at that point, Sanchez is busy figuring out the blitz, everyone's lined up


I know this is most certainly on the TE running the route too far, it was clear from the get go and even the announcer saw it, I'm just saying, you can't possibly have watched this game and defend Sanchez...

 

[NYC Rebel]

Playcall is most certainly made at that point, Sanchez is busy figuring out the blitz, everyone's lined up


I know this is most certainly on the TE running the route too far, it was clear from the get go and even the announcer saw it

The week prior, Sanchez recognized the coverage and tried to hit Cumberland on a hot route but the dumb ass kept running. Even Last Emp talked about it.

Why go back to him? A picture alone doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[heisenburrr]

ball is clearly underthrown, you can even see Hill coming back

 

[NYC Rebel]

ball is clearly underthrown, you can even see Hill coming back

He was coming back to the defender catching the ball and was open. The highpoint of the ball where the DB elevates to catch the ball shows it was going to drop into Hills hands who had his man beat. Hill BROKE HIS ROUTE seeing the defender. It was not underthrown. Follow the trajectory of the ball. It was perfect. The fact the DB had to leap says so.



If the receiver stopped at the 5 yard line, Hill wouldn't have gotten to that ball, OBVIOUSLY having his man beat?

It was simply a bad route by the underneath receiver, period. It was a TD.

 

[heisenburrr]

He was coming back to the defender catching the ball and was open. The highpoint of the ball where the DB elevates to catch the ball shows it was going to drop into Hills hands who had his man beat. Hill BROKE HIS ROUTE seeing the defender. It was not underthrown.



If the receiver stopped at the 5 yard line, Hill wouldn't have gotten to that ball, OBVIOUSLY having his man beat?

It was simply a bad route by the underneath receiver, period. It was a TD.

I'll give you this one,

but man this is the same game where fez overthrew 2-3 wide open receivers deep... I don't know...

 

[NYC Rebel]

I'll give you this one,

but man this is the same game where fez overthrew 2-3 wide open receivers deep... I don't know...

He is a HORRIBLE deep passer.

I've always said that.

I saw Tannehill RIFLE a deep comeback to his receiver last week that stuck to his chest which had me looking at Sanchez like

 

[Maschine_Man]

It starts with the line b

OK so then why aren't the Jets winning with the pro bowl line they have now?
or last year?
or....?


I mean they have consistently had good line play for hte last few years
and still nothing....

 

[Maschine_Man]

Dog...I was addressing THIS STATEMENT by you regarding it always falling on the QB.




I gave one example of poor personnel and bad route running was the problem, NOT THE QB.

You and this "everyone knows this" crap sounds like garbage. My point is, it's LAZY to always "blame the qb" when not even knowing what's going on on the field.

Everybody DOESNT know what's going on during a course of a play.

NO....they don't. They just know the end result of the stats, the limitations of TV cameras and lazily blame the QB.

It could be put in your face and you'd STILL blame the QB...why? Because you're lazy.

You're not interested in talk about play design or scheme. You're not interested in poorly run routes or incompetent personnel. You'd rather talk about Grade 1 level beliefs using parroted words and cliches like "it starts with the QB." No....that's LAZY and uninvolved thinking.There are bad coaches, schemes and players which contribute to ints. Eveyrone knows that....but SO WHAT...right?

you are a fukkin joke. You argue just for the sake of arguing

you really are a piece of shyt...


I don't even know what the fukk you are arguing about, you change your stance to whatever is convenient for you at the time

its the OC,its the QB, no wait its the OC again...what the fukk is it?
it's the personnel, it's the fukkin waterboy

getthefukkouttahere


so what is Sanchez's problem then??

if its not him then what is it?

its not the OC right? cuz you just got rid of him for a new one.
right?
I mean Schotty was what was everything wrong with that offense so why aren't they better now?
oh yea..its the other players now.
now they don't have good players.

or the players are running the wrong plays, or making mistakes...right so its not sanchez making poor throws and decisions. its not the coaches callin bad plays, or putting players in the wrong positions, or even NOT COACHING them.


SMH, you're LAZY BS is the problem. Same with a lot of you fukkin homers (Jets fans or not)

the blame is always someone else. and when it comes full circle (OC--->QB--->OC) you just argue semantics or other meaningless points so you don't look like the fukkin idiot that you truly are


thats fukkin pathetic B, you're whole schtick reaks of garbage.