Politico: Democrats Underperforming W/ Black Voters

[Wildhundreds]

Black folks going in hard on Republicans is the political equivalent to beating a dead horse/preaching to the choir.

We know they're trash. For YEARS, in fact. The light getting shined on these Dem roaches is something that's been long overdue, though.

And for some reason, a lot of black people hate to see this..

Its almost like a sinister family secret has been let out..

Let these mfers suffer in their own filth..

 

[xoxodede]

People can support black Americans and the ADOS movement while questioning/calling out bullshyt.

Yea you "retracted" and apologized for cosigning Ann Coulter. But that shyt along with your inability to separate legit criticism from hating everything about ADOS speaks to poor research and critical thinking skills. To you if it sounds good you run with it. If it doesn't it's an attack on your blackness. You're not going to get very far with this emotional, binary way of thinking

Inability to separate legit criticism from hating about ADOS?

Examples?

As I don't support Tone, Yvette or Tariq and the #FBA clan -- so I would love to understand your viewpoint.

I am very clear. I support reparations and ethnic identity. In addition, to a host of other initiatives -- but reparations at this point must be on the table.

And in this thread, do you not see the very same line of thinking being directed at those like myself.

Again, please explain.

 

[xoxodede]

Wrong. Non-denominational; not affiliated with any Southern Baptists.

Oh ok. Sorry, just guessing. I wasn't trying to start anything. When I read your story - I remembered a few news stories about the Southern Baptist and a lot of Black people were leaving due to the Trump nomination and Presidency. I'm not Southern Baptist, BTW.

 

[Cobalt Mist]

There's some ignorant people on this site

Let me guess. Vote blue no matter who.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Cause he does.

Baby -- keep saying it. I retracted it. Cause that's all yall got.

You need something to shut me up -- but I already admitted it -- and I won't run from it. I said that shyt. I admitted that it. I apologized and retracted it.

Next?

But, Yeah Bernie ..like you -- are Anti- Black American.

Insults are for children. They don't bother me. Any more?

You can call yourself “retracting” whatever, but there seems to be no self-reflective inquiry as to why you would say Bernie Sanders, a man who has been anti-racist since the civil rights movement hates Black people just because he doesn’t see reparations as politically feasible, but were so quick to salivate for an alliance with Ann Coulter, someone who has been virulently racist her entire public life as soon as she gave you a whiff of that mayonnaise-marinated MAGA muff.

 

[Black Panther]

Oh ok. Sorry, just guessing. I wasn't trying to start anything. When I read your story - I remembered a few news stories about the Southern Baptist and a lot of Black people were leaving due to the Trump nomination and Presidency. I'm not Southern Baptist, BTW.

It's all good.

I mainly put that out there so people can stop doing these dumb-ass false equivalencies between Obama and Trump.

No, Obama wasn't perfect, but you can't say his admin was a net negative for Black people (even if you're not really impressed with his accomplishments.)

People don't realize that Eric Holder's investigation into Ferguson had real, measurable impact on policing and CJ in North St. Louis County.

Is it a drastic improvement? No, but there's been change. People see things so black-and-white sometimes that it's hard to even talk about these things, or recognize when real work has been done.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This thread restored the feeling.


I take people at their word. He said he doesn't support reparations for black people.
Oh. he's not "running" on reparations, but secretly he's going to pass it. We're supposed to hope and pray that when Bernie gets in office, then we'll get tangibles. A wink wink, and nod nod. And when it's time for reelection, it'll be the same story. Can't run on your issues, just get me in. And then when he's out and hasn't done anything, it's because they need to get the next democrat in.

Is Bernie the first candidate to offer a lot of stuff that sounds good? Didn't Obama do the same thing? Yet, things remained the same for black people. Why do you think this reparations or no vote thing got started? Because black people are losing faith. You can only lie to people for so long. We want direct, specific, tangible things. Not the crap Bernie's offering, because it is not much different from what others have promised.

No one thinks Bernie is going to secretly pass reparations. In this Senate? Only 1/3 of Senators are voted on every 2 years, it will be SEVERAL presidential terms before we have a prayer of having a Senate that would dream of passing reparations. 2025 at the earliest because you'll need all three cycles currently in now to get voted out of there....and honestly I don't see all that many candidates running in Senate races right now, so maybe 2027 at earliest.

Only 74% of Black folk, 44% of Latino folk, and 21% of White folk support reparations. 29% of the country overall. Anyone running on that shyt would be dead in the water. You get more shyt like what Coates pulled that changes the conversation, get a blacker/browner electorate, keep pushing for more liberal politicians over the centrist bullshyt, and replace the old ones with better younger ones...then it might be realized in a decade but there's a lot of work ahead.

That doesn't mean you don't push for reparations. You still call for it, demand it, educate people. You have to get the word out to give people time to change on the issue. But you know that no one is going to run on it until it becomes politically possible to do so. Until the American people support it at a higher level no leading politician is going to run on it, until the American people AND the Senators support it than nothing will happen.

So in this cycle, what Bernie is promising is literally a best case scenario. Pass H.R. 40 and get the analysis of reparations started. Begin cutting into the wealth gap by making HCBUs free, forgiving student loans, get actual good health care and education for all, federal jobs guarantee, end anti-Black discrimination in banking and mortgages, and investigate every police officer who shoots or kills a black person. We all know that he isn't going to be able to get every one of those things passed too, but why not support the candidate who is literally doing the most that a candidate could possibly promise and still have a chance of winning?

Who would you support instead? Doesn't even have to be someone running - name ANY politician you would support running for president.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's all good.

I mainly just wanted to put that out there so people can stop doing these dumb-ass false equivalencies between Obama and Trump.

No, Obama wasn't perfect, but you can't say his admin was a net negative for Black people (even if you're not really impressed with his accomplishments.)

People don't realize that Eric Holder's investigation into Ferguson had real, measurable impact on policing and CJ in North St. Louis County.

Is it a drastic improvement? No, but there's been change. People see things so black-and-white sometimes that it's hard to even talk about these things, or recognize when real work has been done.

The 100-page report on Ferguson policing is the greatest thing the DOJ has ever written on discriminatory policing. I've read it at least three times, it should be required reading in every high school and municipal government in America.

 

[xoxodede]

You can call yourself “retracting” whatever, but there seems to be no self-reflective inquiry as to why you would say Bernie Sanders, a man who has been anti-racist since the civil rights movement hates Black people, but were so quick to salivate for an alliance with Ann Coulter, someone who has been virulently racist her entire public life as soon as she gave you a whiff of that mayonnaise-marinated muff.

Sir, Bernie went to two faux sit-in's that's nothing to call home about. Stop acting like he did something.

Also, he lives in VERMONT! With NO BLACK people. Did you read this article? Here's How Black People Actually Fare in Bernie Sanders' Home State

Not a good source huh?


Again - I didn't "salivate" over Ann -- YES -- I agreed with her. Civil Rights were for ADOS - but I don't expect you to know that NOR care cause you don't probably know anything about us past MLK and Malcom X right -- oh... and that Bernie CRM Photo op *eye roll*.

Me agreeing that CR was for Black Americans -- doesn't' mean I support, love or am a republican -- voted republican, will vote republican, support the party, likes Trump or anything else. I agreed with her statement. That's all.

You can remix that shyt all you want. Doesn't mean it's official.

Look, you don't like Black Americans. You want us to be your mule. You want to continue to talk shyt about us, disrespect us - but you want something from us -- well talking shyt and being disrespectful doesn't work.

And Bernie has also given you his Kosher Mayo Muff to whiff -- yet you lining up for a chance to smell it -- even though -- i'm telling you now - his BIG promises are not politically feasible - my new favorite term.

Your little comments are annoying -- YES - but I can deal -- but they are getting OLD. Can you get some new material and insults to come at me with?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Is Bernie the first candidate to offer a lot of stuff that sounds good? Didn't Obama do the same thing? Yet, things remained the same for black people. Why do you think this reparations or no vote thing got started? Because black people are losing faith. You can only lie to people for so long. We want direct, specific, tangible things. Not the crap Bernie's offering, because it is not much different from what others have promised.

That's so enormously far from true I don't get what reality you're living in.

Who promised this shyt? Clinton? Obama? Are you serious? Bernie's proposals are so far beyond what the Democratic Party has ever done that they're flipping the fukk out and running an all-hands-on-deck operation trying to keep him from the nomination. They're talking overturning him at the DNC even if he has the most delegates, all because he's too extreme. Nothing in Clinton or Obama's platform even remotely approached this shyt.



If people are going to keep spamming the thread with bullshyt talking points they pull out of their ass then I'm going to keep putting up the actual policies.


Bernie Sanders on Racial Justice

Our campaign is fundamentally dedicated to ending the disparity of wealth, income and power in this country. It’s time to bring a systemic approach to systemic racism. Structural problems require structural solutions, and together we can meet that challenge.

Systemic inequities have created innumerable disparities across racial groups from health outcomes, to health insurance rates, education outcomes, college debt rates, and police violence. Bernie is running for president because he believes we’re obligated to do more than just acknowledge the problem. He believes in implementing policies that aim to achieve substantive equality now—while the generations alive today can benefit. In a country that is genuinely free, neither one's zip code nor the color of their skin would determine a child’s life outcome. Bernie believes our country is morally bound to close the racial wealth divide.

Key Points

• Address the five central types of violence waged against black, brown and indigenous Americans: physical, political, legal, economic and environmental.
• Address a broken criminal justice system, massive disparities in the availability of financial services, health disparities, environmental disparities, and educational disparities.
• Create a nation in which all people are treated equally.

His specifics include:

1. End continued redlining and other forms of housing discrimination against black folk that still persist
2. Federal job guarantee
3. Ensure quality education for children across the board
4. Make tuition free for all students at public universities and HBCUs
5. Increase public funding for HBCUs
6. Cover all other college costs for students from families making under $25,000/year
7. End the affordable housing crisis and create a path to wealth building through homeownership
8. Raise the minimum wage to a living wage
9. End racial discrimination in the financial services sector
10. Protect minority communities from pollutant exposure like what happened to Flint
11. Identify and fix the underlying causes that lead to a higher mortality rate among black children and black mothers.
12. Give quality universal health care to all.
13. Institute Jim Clyburn’s 10-20-30 proposal for distressed communities.
14. Establish a commission to study and research reparations (H.R. 40)


Receipts:

Racial Justice

Economic Justice
Black Americans currently have ten cents for every dollar white Americans have. Latinx Americans currently have thirteen cents for every dollar white Americans have. This is unacceptable: It’s time for America to treat the lives of people of color like they’re worth more than change on the dollar.

More than 22% of black Americans and more than 21% of Hispanic Americans are living in poverty compared to 12% of white Americans.

Today redlining prevents businesses owned by people of color from getting loans, and predatory lending results in higher interest rates in low-income communities of color. More than 47% of African Americans are unbanked or underbanked and some 43% of Hispanic families are unbanked or underbanked, whereas 18% of whites are unbanked or underbanked. The massive disparities and discrimination in the availability of financial services must end.

Our campaign is fundamentally dedicated to ending the disparity of wealth, income and power in this country. It’s time to bring a systemic approach to systemic racism. Structural problems require structural solutions, and together we can meet that challenge.

Systemic inequities have created innumerable disparities across racial groups from health outcomes, to health insurance rates, education outcomes, college debt rates, and police violence. Bernie is running for president because he believes we’re obligated to do more than just acknowledge the problem. He believes in implementing policies that aim to achieve substantive equality now—while the generations alive today can benefit. In a country that is genuinely free, neither one's zip code nor the color of their skin would determine a child’s life outcome. Bernie believes our country is morally bound to close the racial wealth divide. In order to do that, we must ensure that people:

• Start treating the racial wealth divide like the crisis it is. We must end the especially pernicious racial wealth divide that exists today in America within the gap between millionaires and the poor, working, and middle classes of all races.
• Guarantee a job to every American. A job guarantee will create good-paying jobs and will create work building much needed infrastructure and providing critical services to communities across the country.
• End redlining practices and other forms of housing discrimination that still exist.
• Make sure every kid, regardless of race or class, receives a quality education.
• End the affordable housing crisis and create a path to wealth building through homeownership.
• Make sure resources are focused on the Americans who need it most -- often as a result of structural disadvantage. Bernie supports the 10-20-30 approach to federal investments which focuses substantial federal resources on distressed communities that have high levels of poverty.
• Support public colleges and HBCUs. We must make public colleges, universities and trade schools, tuition-free—including for the 76% of HBCU students who attend public colleges—and increase public funding for all HBCUs.
• Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Black and Latinx workers disproportionately work minimum wage jobs. Raising the minimum wage will increase the wages of 38% of African-American workers and 33% of Latinx workers.
• End the discriminatory practices in our financial services. We must allow every post office to offer basic and affordable banking services and end lending discrimination once and for all.

Or here: Bernie Sanders on Black Rights

Reparations
Although the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in the United States in 1865, American descendants of slavery still face social and economic inequalities as a direct result of the legacy of slavery. One of those inequalities is the racial wealth gap. The median white household is ten times more wealthy than the median black household.

How does Bernie plan to address lasting inequalities from the legacy of slavery?
Bernie supports two policy proposals to address these inequalities. At a CNN Town Hall, Bernie expressed support for Jim Clyburn’s 10-20-30 proposal.

Clyburn’s proposal would make sure that at least 10% of Rural Development investments would go to communities in persistent poverty. These communities are those where at least 20% of the population has lived below the poverty line for the past 30 years or longer.

Bernie also supports H.R.40, a bill that would create a commission to study reparations for American descendants of slaves and make recommendations to Congress for appropriate remedies.

Has the United States paid reparations to other disenfranchised groups?
Yes, the United States government has paid reparation to other disenfranchised groups before. Japanese Americans have been paid reparations for being sent to interment camps during World War Two. Victims of the Holocaust have also received reparations from the United States government.

BERNIE SANDERS ON BLACK RIGHTS
“Have we made progress in civil rights in this country? No question. But do we still have a very long way to go to end the institutional racism which permeates almost every aspect of our society? Absolutely. Together, we are going to put an end to that.” – Bernie Sanders, April 9, 2019

Bernie Sanders has a long history of fighting for social equality and the rights of black Americans — a record that goes back to the early 1960s. In college, he was a student leader of the Congress of Racial Equality and was arrested for protesting institutional segregation. His views were cemented in 1963 when he marched on Washington and witnessed Martin Luther King, Jr.’s pivotal “I have a dream” speech.

In Congress, Bernie opposed the 1991 crime bill that he believed would disproportionately punish people of color — especially African Americans. Bernie’s civil rights record has earned him one of the highest scores given to a U.S. Senator and a 100 percent score from the NAACP.

Bernie Sanders is committed to ending racial disparities. He often refers to these disparities as the “disparity within the disparity.” Bernie understands that slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws, predatory lending, redlining, and other factors have led to racial economic disparities and a theft of wealth from African Americans.

Education: Education isn’t a privilege — it’s a right. Everyone deserves access to affordable, quality education, including universal pre-K and college, and we need to increase access to it for people of color to provide greater economic opportunities.

Crime & Social Justice: The U.S. has the highest prison population rate in the developed world, with a distressingly disproportionate number of black inmates behind bars and many for drug offenses and other non-violent crimes. Our criminal justice system is broken and must be reformed to provide opportunity instead of incarceration.

Income Equality & The Racial Wealth Gap: Economic justice is tied to racial justice. Black youth unemployment is at 51 percent, higher than any other demographic. We need a federal jobs program to put the unemployed — including black youth and adults alike — to work, and we need to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. Moreover, we need tax reform so corporations and billionaires pay their fair share and fund the expansion of the social safety net. Additionally, we must repair the racial wealth gap and end the institutional racism in the financial services industry such as redlining.

Infant Mortality Rate of Black Children & Death Rate of Black Mothers: We must identify and fix the underlying causes that lead to a higher mortality rate among black children and black mothers.

Reparations: Many black Americans are still experiencing social and economic disadvantages as a result slavery in America. Bernie supports establishing a commission to study and research reparations for American descendants of slaves as well as investing resources into distressed communities.

Note: As is the nature of this project, this page highlights Bernie’s views and record on issues affecting black Americans. For more detailed information, check out the comprehensive racial justice plan Bernie released as part of his 2020 platform.

And there's much more on that page as well.

Environmental Justice
The ills of pollution and climate change touch everyone, but tragically, they touch those in poverty more than others. Trump’s own EPA has shown that people living in poverty are exposed to more harmful particulate matter in the air, and that people of color are more likely to live near pollution and be exposed to pollutants. According to the EPA report, “results at national, state, and county scales all indicate that non-Whites tend to be burdened disproportionately to Whites.” This, too, is unacceptable.

Today, Flint, Michigan, is still without new pipes for clean water, and there are 3,000 other Flint, Michigans, across the country—neighborhoods with lead rates that were double those of Flint during the height of its crisis. Together, we must:

• Enact a Green New Deal not just to save the planet, but to protect our most vulnerable communities. We must end the scourge of environmental racism, and at the same time create green jobs to support and rebuild the local economies of affected communities.
• Protect low-income and minority communities, who are hit first and worst by the causes and impacts of climate change, while also protecting existing energy-sector workers as they transition into clean energy and other jobs.
• Address the inadequate environmental cleanup efforts of Superfund hazardous waste sites in communities of color.
• Stop the exposure of people of color to harmful chemicals, pesticides and other toxins in homes, schools, neighborhoods, and workplaces and challenge faulty assumptions in calculating, assessing, and managing risks, discriminatory zoning and land-use practices and exclusionary policies.
• Enact a Green New Deal to mitigate climate change and focus on building resilience in low-income and minority communities.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Show me where Bill Clinton or Barack Obama were EVER talking like this during their campaign or running pro-black ads like this?




























In that last video from the part where he quotes himself from 1974 talking about how White politicians don't give a shyt about Black communities all the way to the end of the video where he's reeling off those stats about Black America right off the top of his head proves he fukks with this shyt.

 

[Barnett114]

Lot of sleeper accounts unearthed

 

[Captain Crunch]

Can't see the forest for the trees

He can cut every social service a long as the check is cut.

Know who you're dealing with.

Reparations is at least 10 trillion

10 trillion among the 33-35 million Black Americans who are ADOS is 285k each

fukk a food stamps or affordable housing, you give me and the 33-35 million other ADOS $285k we can pay for our own food and housing

That 10 trillion is on the low end, when it's all said and done it can be up to 20+ trillion, that's just from what the govt owes us and not from the big time corporations/institutions that were built off slavery(schools like Columbia, Fortune 500 businesses like JP Morgan).

 

[Cobalt Mist]

That's so enormously far from true I don't get what reality you're living in.

Who promised this shyt? Clinton? Obama? Are you serious? Bernie's proposals are so far beyond what the Democratic Party has ever done that they're flipping the fukk out and running an all-hands-on-deck operation trying to keep him from the nomination. They're talking overturning him at the DNC even if he has the most delegates, all because he's too extreme. Nothing in Clinton or Obama's platform even remotely approached this shyt.



If people are going to keep spamming the thread with bullshyt talking points they pull out of their ass then I'm going to keep putting up the actual policies.


Bernie Sanders on Racial Justice




His specifics include:

1. End continued redlining and other forms of housing discrimination against black folk that still persist
2. Federal job guarantee
3. Ensure quality education for children across the board
4. Make tuition free for all students at public universities and HBCUs
5. Increase public funding for HBCUs
6. Cover all other college costs for students from families making under $25,000/year
7. End the affordable housing crisis and create a path to wealth building through homeownership
8. Raise the minimum wage to a living wage
9. End racial discrimination in the financial services sector
10. Protect minority communities from pollutant exposure like what happened to Flint
11. Identify and fix the underlying causes that lead to a higher mortality rate among black children and black mothers.
12. Give quality universal health care to all.
13. Institute Jim Clyburn’s 10-20-30 proposal for distressed communities.
14. Establish a commission to study and research reparations (H.R. 40)


Receipts:

Racial Justice


Or here: Bernie Sanders on Black Rights



And there's much more on that page as well.

Obama promised universal health care, did stuff for HBCUs, and basically a whole bunch of stuff that sounded good, but didn't really change anything. All the stuff you mentioned isn't specific to black people, and we've heard it all before. Maybe a couple of new things this time, but still not reparations, and black people are past impatient with the Democrats. You can keep spamming the thread with your bullshyt, but no one's really listening. You are desperate in your attempt to shame black people into voting against their interests, and that brings me a mixture of joy and disdain. Shame on you for bringing up old, irrelevant stuff to destroy credibility of posters that support reparations. You're just mad because you're failing to sway black people/

 

[Barnett114]

Reparations is at least 10 trillion

10 trillion among the 33-35 million Black Americans who are ADOS is 285k each

fukk a food stamps or affordable housing, you give me and the 33-35 million other ADOS $285k we can pay for our own food and housing

That 10 trillion is on the low end, when it's all said and done it can be up to 20+ trillion, that's just from what the govt owes us and not from the big time corporations/institutions that were built off slavery(schools like Columbia, Fortune 500 businesses like JP Morgan).

More words and less smileys breh.

And $285K-$500K isn't going to last forever and you still have to navigate into the system and country you're in.

$285K-$500K isn't even enough to buy a house in some metro areas.

But you just got rid of all societal protections and just open yourself up to more discrimination because someone might cut a check.