Politico: Democrats Underperforming W/ Black Voters

[Professor Emeritus]

Again both these things you state only target a fraction of black people.

There are no people in prison for simple possession, nikkas are in jail for distribution and trafficking. Iys hard for me to feel sorry for you when you knew from jump the consequences of the game you were playing.

That's 100% false. I knew all sorts of fools in Cali who went to jail for mere possession.

Took me seconds to find this. 1 in 4 guys in New York incarcerated on nonviolent drug charges are in for mere possession:

Who Goes to Prison for Drug Offenses?

· One in four incarcerated drug offenders was convicted of simply possessing drugs.

The rest were convicted of possession with intent to sell, attempted sale or sales. Whether guilty of possession or sales-related offenses, most of the incarcerated offenders were low-level offenders involved with small amounts of drugs.4

On top of that there are 600,000 arrests for marijuana possession each year, and those arrests are VASTLY disproportionate towards Black folk. Sure, most of them won't do time, but that still fukks with your life in all sorts of ways. Decriminalizing marijuana would remove a tool police use to harass Black folk and would increase employment opportunities for Black folk. This is NOT because there's more pot in the Black community but because the Black community is targeted for their use far more often.

And as far as the id thing goes, I still don't know any non drug addicted people that don't have an id. How many people did that actually stop from voting? How serious could they actually be about voting if they couldn't get to a dmv within the 2 to 4 years between local and federal elections?

You can "blame" people for not being serious or whatever shyt, but the Republicans looking to fukk shyt up for the Black community don't give a shyt what the "blame" is. They only care about the numbers.

Even if 95% of the community is fine, that 5% that gets screwed can decide an election. If I remember correctly only 2-3% of voters didn't have a valid ID, but among Black folk it was more like 5-6% and among White folk it was just 2% or less. Like I said, they explicitly looked for the types of ID that White folk had and the types that Black folk had and left the more Black ones off the list to make it that way.

Did you read the articles and see ALL the work they did to discriminate against White folk? Their personal files are public (thank God that one of their racist contractors bit the dust and his anti-racist granddaughter released all his personal files including communications with the party that proved their racism and lies). You're trying to tell me that the Republican Party would go to all those extremes to discriminate against Black folk, literally hire people to help them figure out how to screw Black people over most efficiently, leave all those receipts proving that they acted with racist intent, be convicted of racist intent in two different federal courts...and not think it was worth it?

Your armchair bullshyt assumption that "it won't make a difference" is worth more than the five years of work they put in and court cases they exposed themselves to on the assumption that it would actually make a big difference?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

So you think that Black folk should only go to PWIs? Or that they shouldn't go to college at all? My cousin went to med school at an HBCU and had a great experience. In fact, it seems like most folk who attends HBCU's disagree with you.

Survey finds big differences between black HBCU graduates, those who attended other institutions



HBCU's have their struggles, mostly financial, but they are still ESSENTIAL for the Black community. Most Black professionals went to an HBCU. If Bernie Sanders comes in and makes college tuition free at all the HBCU's, that'll be a big help. Not to mention forgiving student loans, which will allow those young professionals and teachers and others to start building wealth.

HBCUs have their struggles right now, but two of the central ones are financial issues and attracting the best students. If Bernie has the federal government paying tuition for HBCUs, that should really help their financial situation and allow them to increase enrollment. He's also promising to make room and board and fees and books and everything else free as well for students coming from families earning under $25,000, so that will help more kids and the schools both. And since he isn't doing the same for PWI private schools, Black students will have more incentive to chose HBCUs over PWIs, which will increase the quality of the student body pool.

What exactly do you have against that? Where would you prefer Black students did their schooling?





In the world that the 99% of the America outside of Black Twitter lives in, things like universal health care and free tuition at HBCUs and a federal jobs guarantee ARE tangibles. Those are tangible benefits, that's the way the rest of the world uses the word tangible. You seriously think that Bernie was faking not understanding your niche use of the word "tangibles" when literally no one else outside of a few thousand people on twitter use it the way you do?

When candidates promise a shytload of helpful shyt, you mock them and say you won't vote for them. When candidates promise reparations (which two have done already this campaign) you ignore them and when people call you out you say, "ah, they wouldn't have won anyway."

And forgiving student loans and making tuition and HBCUs free WOULD reduce the wealth gap. Black students have higher student loan burdens than other students and closing those out would allow them to start building wealth instead of spending their whole careers paying off the interest.

Combine that with his wealth tax (which will affect FAR more White folk to a FAR greater degree than Black folk) and his policies will reduce the wealth gap by half.

The System Is Rigged: Student Debt and the Racial Wealth Gap - Roosevelt Institute

Student Debt Reinforces the Racial Wealth Gap, Study Finds | Inside Higher Ed

Student Loans are Widening the Wealth Gap: Time to Focus on Equity | Center on Assets, Education, and Inclusion

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An amazing, well though out, and sensible post!

Unfortunately the sea of morons in this forum will ignore all of this and spew ignorance. In fact, i think i heard ADOS was at a trump event taking cash bribes:

A pro-Trump group helped fund the nonprofit holding cash giveaways to black attendees - CNNPolitics

 

[Professor Emeritus]

But under Trump I have become a home owner. Obama ain't do shyt for me, I mean even George Bush gave me an $800 check at least. Republic policies are better for our bank accounts. Dems policies are murder on our bank accounts.

What fukking propaganda do you get that bullshyt from?

The biggest gains in closing the wealth gap came in the 1960s under JFK/LBJ and in the 1990s under Clinton. The biggest expansions in the wealth gap came in the 1980s under Reagan and the 2000s under Bush. Damn near every recession in the last 80 years came during a Republican presidency.




What magic did Trump pull to make you a homeowner when he's only been in office 3 years and job growth and wage growth each of those years was lower than it was under Obama?

Bootlickers here literally crediting the president with shyt they did themselves in their own damn lives now.

 

[Easy-E]

So you think that Black folk should only go to PWIs? Or that they shouldn't go to college at all?

Don't do that.

I'm being hard on HBCU's, yes, but, but specific to the "tangible" you brought up, I disagree in it's effectiveness.

You're using a poll about how people feel about going to a HBCU.

I loved my time at VSU, too.

Ask me people about their job afterwards.

Here's a tangible; start dealing with banks by auditing their loan and mortgage practices by race.

That helps black people and a lot of us.

 

[Captain Crunch]

really.
This alone could affect every AA on this board:


Sep 15: AG Sessions pulls out of a federal effort to reform police departments after officer-involved shootings

Police reform don't mean shyt, if you don't actually punish the race soldiers who terrorize us. We've been hearing police reform since Obama. What good is some "desescalation training" or "body cameras", if you don't punish the race soldiers who bypass that training or still terrorize us despite being on film?

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I searched this thread for "Steyer" and got one result.
We have a politician in the primary who is pro reparations, why aren't these "tangibles" people hopping on his bandwagon?

 

[Black Hans]

Doesn't matter if Dems get most of the black votes. What matters is a huge TURNOUT and the Dems aren't getting that regardless of what their fearmongering agents tell you.

 

[Captain Crunch]

None of the candidates are really exciting me now.

I think the Pa primary is in late April or May so who knows who I'll even be able to choose from.

I was feeling Yang but he's gone.

I was tryna feel out that governor from Montana (I think) but he's gone.

I'm meh on Bernie - not convinced that antisemitism/ageism/socialism will allow him to beat Trump. I do like his stance on weed and student loans...he gets a side eye on guns and modern black issues. I do think he cares about people's lives tho.

Buttegieg- meh - if Black folks in Indiana want smoke I cant see him winning shyt in the south. - also, as soon as he starts bringing his husband out I think its a wrap (sorry to say). I do think he has the swag to win a federal office.. but not president.

Biden - smdh - the crime bill will continue to stick to him. However i think he's likeable and a familiar face and probably overall means well. - if he can find Obama's speech writer and not act like he has dementia or drop dead, he can get the nom.

Friskburg - I'm 90% sure I don't vote 4 him. I'm having a hard time with him trying to buy his way to the top.... I don't trust him at all... he's basically a well articulated Trump. I think he'd personally have to give me money for me to vote for him. I don't see why he has to be president to invest in AA.

Warren - I feel like Warren will some how end up on the ticket. Maybe Biden VP? She not perfect but can get her point across. I honestly think she would be a better choice than the sister from Ga. She may be the balance to Biden's moderate. Plus I don't think she's afraid of most black issues.

I'm not saying you should vote for him, but you should pay attention to Steyer, and most importantly tell your folks(family, spouse, friends, etc) about him. Even the folks who don't fukk w/ politics need to be aware of him. Here's why

 

[YouMadd?]

Tariffs wars that jacked up the Sunday Daily News Paper from 1.50 to 2.50

Net Neutrality is dead

Food prices rising

Travel bans and the Coronavirus

There hasn’t been a single Islamic extremist terrorist attack in the US since the travel ban. The point of the ban was to make it easier to stop Islamic terrorists from getting into America through countries that have normally peaceful populations. Every country on the ban list has a large or newly developed radical jihadist infiltration.


Food prices have been predicted to go up for about 4 years now, even before Trump.

coronavirus has nothing to do with Trump.

Net Neutrality and privacy was on its out ever since Bush.

 

[YouMadd?]

Here's a (partial) list of civil rights rollbacks from the Trump administration. H/T @Rhakim These may not affect me, but they will undoubtedly affect thousands of other black folks.

Jan 31: The FCC announces that it will no longer defend caps on phone rates charged to prisoners.

Feb 21: Attorney General Jeff Sessions releases a memo reversing the order reducing the use of private prisons that had been announced by the Obama Administration.

Feb 27: The Justice Department refuses to continue the Obama-era legal argument that a voter ID law in Texas had been passed with intent to discriminate against black and brown voters

Mar 31: AG Sessions lifts all federal consent degrees used to monitor police departments that had been guilty of violations of civil rights

May 2: Trump suggests that he might block a small grant to assist HBCUs as they may violate the ban on funding groups “that allocate benefits on the basis of race, ethnicity, and gender.”

May 10: The White House announces that Kris Kobach will co-chair the "Commission on Election Integrity" to investigate "voter fraud" across the nation. Kobach, once called, "The Most Racist Politician in America", has spent his career curtailing voting privileges across the country.

May 10: Sessions releases a memo instructing federal prosecutors to pursue the charges that carry the longest possible sentence in drug cases and refers to the War on Drugs as a "rousing success"

Jun 12: Sessions urges states to go after marijuana users and even scrap protections for medical marijuana.

Jul 17: Sessions promises to increase asset forfeiture, a practice that even conservative senators and justices have warned may be unconstitutional.

Jul 28: In a speech to law enforcement officers, Trump encourages the roughing up of suspects who are already in custody.

Aug 1: An internal DOJ memo announces that resources in the DOJ's civil rights division were being redirected to fight against Affirmative Action policies in college

Aug 28: Trump rescinds an Obama-era order that had blocked the transfer of military equipment to local police

Sep 15: AG Sessions pulls out of a federal effort to reform police departments after officer-involved shootings

Nov: President Trump removes protections for 50,000 Haitian immigrants who had sought refuge in the USA after a series of disasters in their home country.

Dec 21: Jeff Sessions rescinds a Obama letter to courts that advised them to be careful in imposing overly stiff fees and penalties on poor defendants.

2018

Jan 4: AG Sessions rescinds the Obama-era memo ordering non-interference with marijuana crimes in pot-legal states

Jan 18: The DHS announces that it will block Haitians from receiving agricultural or seasonal visas just days after Trump had referred to Haiti as a "shythole country"

Feb 10: White House reports show that ICE has more than doubled the deportation of African immigrants over the previous year.

Mar 5: HUD removes references to "inclusive" communities "free from discrimination" from its mission statement.

Mar: HUD scales back the enforcement of fair housing laws and shuts down several ongoing investigations. It is revealed that HUD had attempted to block Obama-era laws that would require local governments to produce plans to integrate racially divided neighborhoods.

Mar: Funding shortfalls and policy changes by the Census Bureau lead the NAACP to sue the Trump Administration out of concern that the 2020 census will undercount Black people

Mar 8: It is revealed that the Department of Education hasn't initiated a single civil rights compliance review in relation to racial discrimination during the 13 months that Trump has been in office.

Mar 12: AG Jeff Sessions announces that the DOJ will prioritize funding for more police officers on campus. Black students are far more likely to be arrested by such officers than White students

Mar 12: The Department of Education proposes repealing an Obama-era guidance promoting racial equity in school discipline

May 18: HUD suspends the 2015 Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule meant to desegregate housing

May 23: Trump's budget proposes eliminating the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs, which enforces labor and civil rights laws amongst federal contractors

May 24: Trump signs the Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act, which exempts banks from reporting rules needed to monitor racist lending practices

Jun 8: Acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Candace Jackson instructs her staff not to investigate systemic racism unless it is specifically raised by the complainant

Jun 21: Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is found to have dropped 1,200+ civil rights investigations initiated under President Obama

Jun 29: Andrew Veprek, a close associate of Stephen Miller who had recently been appointed as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, lauds nationalism and xenophobia and states national leaders have no duty to condemn hate speech or racism, all in the process of gutting a UN anti-racism document.

Jul 2: SecEd DeVos and AG Sessions rescind 7 Obama-era guidelines on affirmative action and issue a statement calling on colleges to end the practice

Aug 22: Trump directs SecState Pompeo "to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers", specifically White farmers.

2019

Jan 4: The WP reported that Trump is rolling back disparate impact regulations, meaning that lenders, insurers, and local governments could now pass regulations that have negative impacts on minorities just so long as there's no proof they did it for openly racist reasons.

Jan 15: In Stokeling v United States, the two Trump-appointed justices joined a 5-4 majority allowing the Trump administration to expand the offenses that count as "violent felonies" under three-strikes laws.

Jun 27: In Rucho v Common Cause, the two Trump-appointed justices joined a 5-4 majority claiming that only state courts can stop racist gerrymandering

you can’t just copy and paste with no substance. Explain the bolded one for example. HOW does it negatively affect “minorities”?

some of these are literally retarded. Sessions wanting more cops on college campuses somehow makes blacks the victim. This is embarrassing to read how some of these are such a far reach to connect to black victim hood.

the “economic growth, regulatory relief, and consumer protection act” was created to defeat Dodd Frank, not to make it possible to deny black people loans. Jesus.

 

[GoAggieGo.]

I searched this thread for "Steyer" and got one result.
We have a politician in the primary who is pro reparations, why aren't these "tangibles" people hopping on his bandwagon?

Such a disingenuous take. You and I both know if nikkas start talking heavy of any candidate not named Biden, Sanders, or Warren then the whole “wasted vote” discussion would come up.

With that being said, aren’t you concerned with getting something for your vote, as well, therefore a “tangibles” voter? If you see a lack of support, why don’t you start and push Steyer more?

 

[Dark Knyght]

The division of black voters is purposeful and intentional. You guys pushing the black agenda, has not only exposed democrats,but has secured a republican victory in the next election. Those swing states, the black vote means the most.If you can divide black population, that states will certainly be red in the election. We all arguing with democrats and criticizing the party, dividing the party, while no one is criticizing the republicans at all or questioning their motives at all. Democrats are getting smeared and the republicans have they feet kicked up. What the republicans have, morally right or wrong, is unity within their party. Democrats are killing each other, and the divisions between the party are gonna reflect in the election. Ya'll basically handing Trump the victory

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Such a disingenuous take. You and I both know if nikkas start talking heavy of any candidate not named Biden, Sanders, or Warren then the whole “wasted vote” discussion would come up.

With that being said, aren’t you concerned with getting something for your vote, as well, therefore a “tangibles” voter? If you see a lack of support, why don’t you start and push Steyer more?

What's disingenuous is hiding behind "no tangibles no vote" when the reality is a lot of these people just do not want to vote.
We are in the primary how can you "waste" your vote, by voting for Steyer? Especially when the alternative isn't voting for Sanders/Biden/Warren, it's not voting at all. Furthermore, how weak-minded would a person need to be to not vote for Steyer, because other people would call it a "wasted vote".

 

[Captain Crunch]

The division of black voters is purposeful and intentional. You guys pushing the black agenda, has not only exposed democrats,but has secured a republican victory in the next election. Those swing states, the black vote means the most.If you can divide black population, that states will certainly be red in the election. We all arguing with democrats and criticizing the party, dividing the party, while no one is criticizing the republicans at all or questioning their motives at all. Democrats are getting smeared and the republicans have they feet kicked up. What the republicans have, morally right or wrong, is unity within their party. Democrats are killing each other, and the divisions between the party are gonna reflect in the election. Ya'll basically handing Trump the victory

Dude, my people have built this country, and have supported the Dems religiously for decades. If "dividing the party" is us finally asking for what's due(reparations and a Black agenda), then so be it. We're not responsible for Trump, thank your PAWGS and other "minorities"(Hispanics and Asians each voted for Trump at a 30% clip).

 

[Stone Cold]

The division of black voters is purposeful and intentional. You guys pushing the black agenda, has not only exposed democrats,but has secured a republican victory in the next election. Those swing states, the black vote means the most.If you can divide black population, that states will certainly be red in the election. We all arguing with democrats and criticizing the party, dividing the party, while no one is criticizing the republicans at all or questioning their motives at all. Democrats are getting smeared and the republicans have they feet kicked up. What the republicans have, morally right or wrong, is unity within their party. Democrats are killing each other, and the divisions between the party are gonna reflect in the election. Ya'll basically handing Trump the victory

You do know black people vote more unified than ANY race/ethnic group right?