POLIGHT TAKING ON THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I personally feel it's great that someone is out there at least trying but I'm just ultimately left unimpressed with these individuals. I'd rather hear the ideas of a tried and true intellectual instead of these dudes who have an inflated sense of self worth fueled by the insular and wacky "black power/pro-black" sub-culture.

What I notice from a lot of these smartdumb types--not just Brother Polight and them, but dudes who I know and have encountered and conversed with in my life--is that they place an emphasis on memorizing talking points and being able to deliver them aggressively, rambling on and one like it's performance poetry the whole, all the while not being open-minded enough to really critique them or listen to any other opinion.

Like others have already said, they approach knowledge as if it's a rap battle, and that's not doing anything to advance dialogue and open exchange of information.

I love to debate and I've had quite a few exchanges with these smartdumb type dudes and I always challenge their ideas bluntly, which they're not used to, and the response is always anger like "How dare you tell me this knowledge I define myself by is not true!" I remember this one dude was damn near ready to swing on me inside the workplace with like a 100 people around a long time ago, lol. Me and him got cool later and we still talked about politics, race, and the like, but he always checked his tone with me after that.

 

[Insensitive]

What I notice from a lot of these smartdumb types--not just Brother Polight and them, but dudes who I know and have encountered and conversed with in my life--is that they place an emphasis on memorizing talking points and being able to deliver them aggressively, all the while not being open-minded enough to really critique them or listen to any other opinion.

Like others have already said, they approach knowledge as if it's a rap battle, and that's not doing anything to advance dialogue and open exchange of information.

I love to debate and I've had quite a few exchanges with these smartdumb type dudes and I always challenge their ideas bluntly, which they're not used to, and the response is always anger like "How dare you tell me this knowledge I define myself by is not true!" I remember this one dude was damn near ready to swing on me inside the workplace with like a 100 people around a long time ago, lol. Me and him got cool later and we still talked about politics, race, and the like, but he always checked his tone with me after that.

Sounds about right.
I've only met a few in my age group and
most rub me the wrong way almost
feels like they're trying to hard.

 

[Blackking]

I personally feel it's great that someone is out there at least trying but I'm just ultimately left unimpressed with these individuals. I'd rather hear the ideas of a tried and true intellectual instead of these dudes who have an inflated sense of self worth fueled by the insular and wacky "black power/pro-black" sub-culture.

cool...

To be fair.. in the 1930-70's.. the problack and afrocentric communities were the ones pulling us from mindset of thinking that we were on the level of white people's dogs and pets... to thinking that we were human beings deserving of human rights. The idea of black power- is the reason we decided not to allow them to rape our women and burn us any longer - we trading allowing them to take huge shyts on us, for at least some respect. Along w that we learned to respect ourselves (for the most part)

Most of the guys out today.. they try, but they are lost in the world of competition... it's the American way. Instead of continuing our movements we traded black panthers for gang bangers n drugs.... we traded the dignity of our women for money and the cac hyper-sexualized culture. we traded real leaders for black motivational speakers that sell us shyt.

We are so far removed from what being pro-black really means that we clown the very ideas that made us proud in the first place. The Pro-black shouldn't be a fridge subculture. No other group makes pride the subculture. Italian dudes in my workplace make that Italian shyt known. Jews, etc.... It's crazy because we were the first to have pride, now we are majority zombies. if a black guy tries to pull us up from mental slavery...it will be mostly blacks that shut him down, because we have been trained to be overseers from the start.


Anyway, I've learn the hard way... (back when i was revolutionary and not a random corporate pawn) The way to spot a real person to listen to and to gain knowledge from is to see if they are trying to be a leader. Assata Shakur, Malcolm X, and Fred hampton- none of them created movements or tried to be leaders.... but they lead. People only become 'leaders' for personal gain, so I'm weary of all these nikkas. I only defend a select few because I don't want their arrogance to kill off the last traces of pro-blackness. We have to keep at least 5% of us not as black zombies - or we lost.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Sounds about right.
I've only met a few in my age group and
most rub me the wrong way almost
feels like they're trying to hard.

Well I used to rap back in the days...did ciphers, shows, recorded, etc. When you're part of the local underground hip-hop circuit in the late 90's/early 00's, you get acquainted with a lot of "knowledge droppin" dudes quick. I didn't even know who Malachi Z. York was until somebody gave me one of his leaflets at an open mic joint.

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

The Pro-black shouldn't be a fridge subculture.

If it has CULTURES growing on it, you should probably THROW IT OUT.

 

[ogc163]

Its one thing to criticize, but who has the ideas, influence, ambition to make a change?

for those who consider themselves "pro black" and dont like polight's method, are you doing anything on polights level in terms of business, uniting like-minds, or acquiring knowledge? Do you have a plan to raise awareness, power, and unity within black communities? What would you suggest to polight?

Basically, if polight is a scammer, or detrimental to black americans, what are YOUR solutions, and have you implemented them within your community yet?

I dont know dude, but his mind is obviously on a different level than most. His family loves and appreciates him, hes about his business, and he challenges ideas he doesn't agree with. I dont agree with everything i've heard from him so far, but i wont let that take away from the big picture.

Just because dude cares and may be sincere does not mean that I have to give him props, I just don't see his philosophy as moving people forward in general. My main issue with Afro-centrism, Pan-Africanism, and Black nationalism is that it often heavily dependent on decreasing peoples personal agency and that line of thinking of thinking gets "movements" nowhere in the long run.

The arrogance, hostility to being intellectually challenged, and overdependence on charisma instead of logic and hard data is not at all something I would want to be associated with. Don't get me wrong those characteristics are prevalent among those who have college degrees and are in academia, but thankfully there is a ceiling for those who go that less rigorous route.

In terms of who or what will make the change, I will readily admit that I do not know or if/when the major changes will happen in my lifetime. But I will not fall for emotion driven, hero vs. villian, and overgeneralizations simply because I have to come to terms that there may not be a great deal of concrete solutions for the myriad of issues prevalent in the Black community. Now that may not be as inspiring and grandiose as what the Brother Polight is spitting, but it is grounded much more in reality.

 

[Majestyx]

What I notice from a lot of these smartdumb types--not just Brother Polight and them, but dudes who I know and have encountered and conversed with in my life--is that they place an emphasis on memorizing talking points and being able to deliver them aggressively, rambling on and one like it's performance poetry the whole, all the while not being open-minded enough to really critique them or listen to any other opinion.

Like others have already said, they approach knowledge as if it's a rap battle, and that's not doing anything to advance dialogue and open exchange of information.

I love to debate and I've had quite a few exchanges with these smartdumb type dudes and I always challenge their ideas bluntly, which they're not used to, and the response is always anger like "How dare you tell me this knowledge I define myself by is not true!" I remember this one dude was damn near ready to swing on me inside the workplace with like a 100 people around a long time ago, lol. Me and him got cool later and we still talked about politics, race, and the like, but he always checked his tone with me after that.

them brehs are all about memorizing and spitting that 'knowledge' or rhetoric, while not having any understanding, nor are they ever understanding themselves. tis why i had to distance myself from the fukkery.

 

[emoney]

Question do any of these dudes have any degrees ?

As in does their education extend beyond Highschool ?

nah, I doubt it

If they did, they would be teaching in post secondary schools instead of standing on soap boxes in the ghetto. These guys are nothing but poverty pimps who go into low income hoods to recruit people into their membership ranks....because let's be real....WHO ELSE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO THEM?

Most of the things Polight advocates are common sense things that middle class people in the suburbs know about and try to do already ie. land ownership, real estate, education & retirement funds, staying out of debt, knowing the law and your rights as a citizen etc.

Polight is trying to be the reincarnation of York..and as someone in this thread stated he even took one of York's daughters in his harem. Since the Nuwaubian brand has been tainted and tarnished...Nu Covenant seems like it was just clever marketing (re-branding of an old produt)

 

[GetInTheTruck]

What is it about them that puts people off, besides the alluded orgies and sharing of women.

York is one of the most diabolical minds ever. Literally an evil genius. Dude switched his steez up a million times and made lots of money selling books or "scrolls" going at every other group for his own gain, and out of all these pro black groups, nuwaubians are the scariest in terms of how they worship York. He had them believing they were muslims, native americans, cowboys, and now black aliens from the galaxy of illuwyn

Yorks followers made it a point to antagonize everybody. They are literally trolls.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

most of them are self-taught and well learned.

they dont get that way from reading "western" books

 

[Blackking]

They are literally trolls.

Yes, but they are obviously effective at becoming the face of problack movements. I didn't know that people outside of the community viewed them and people like them, as some sort of standard for Afrocentrism. It makes since considering most people are simply looking for a way to criticize certain movements these days.

If people were really interested in the advancement of blacks in America we wouldn't be having this conversation. When you read the autobiographies of anyone real... They don't even mention these groups... they only mention the ideas and actions of the groups and individuals who actually made moves.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

nah, I doubt it

If they did, they would be teaching in post secondary schools instead of standing on soap boxes in the ghetto. These guys are nothing but poverty pimps who go into low income hoods to recruit people into their membership ranks....because let's be real....WHO ELSE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO THEM?

Most of the things Polight advocates are common sense things that middle class people in the suburbs know about and try to do already ie. land ownership, real estate, education & retirement funds, staying out of debt, knowing the law and your rights as a citizen etc.

Polight is trying to be the reincarnation of York..and as someone in this thread stated he even took one of York's daughters in his harem. Since the Nuwaubian brand has been tainted and tarnished...Nu Covenant seems like it was just clever marketing (re-branding of an old produt)

That's why the NOI deserves some respect IMO. Out of all these groups they are the only ones who actually get shyt done.

 

[Blackking]

Just because dude cares and may be sincere does not mean that I have to give him props, I just don't see his philosophy as moving people forward in general. My main issue with Afro-centrism, Pan-Africanism, and Black nationalism is that it often heavily dependent on decreasing peoples personal agency and that line of thinking of thinking gets "movements" nowhere in the long run.

The arrogance, hostility to being intellectually challenged, and overdependence on charisma instead of logic and hard data is not at all something I would want to be associated with. Don't get me wrong those characteristics are prevalent among those who have college degrees and are in academia, but thankfully there is a ceiling for those who go that less rigorous route.

In terms of who or what will make the change, I will readily admit that I do not know or if/when the major changes will happen in my lifetime. But I will not fall for emotion driven, hero vs. villian, and overgeneralizations simply because I have to come to terms that there may not be a great deal of concrete solutions for the myriad of issues prevalent in the Black community. Now that may not be as inspiring and grandiose as what the Brother Polight is spitting, but it is grounded much more in reality.

The charisma isn't the issue. It's only an issue because these dudes are overly narcissistic and don't have a full understanding of the solutions that they are regurgitating. Most of the leaders and great people in history had some sort of charisma ... or presence about them.

Right now black nationalism is sorta dead- we are too engrained and dependent on others for that to work. Afrocentrism had way too many looney dudes that killed it... Plus, honestly... we are far from Africans - we're just lost black people in this land.

Right now, imo, our best bet is to be extremely pro-black and at the same time be American. We can use the benefits we have from living here and ONLY use those benefits to help our OWN people. I know that in my own life - if I find out about any job, have any hook up, or have any influence in filling a position... I seek black people only. (i only pretend to look at others) Not that I dislike others, but others have their own networks and advantages to take. I don't even believe in black people donating or helping charities that don't focus on black youth. I don't think anyone should be on some Obama shyt and be this "i'm for everyone" type of black person. No group in history is like that except us. We should use all this education, all these benefits of living here for the end goal of reprogramming black youth. I'm planing a business right now w 2 white guys (because they have the lawyers and resources).. they are sorta friends of mine. But honestly, they will never be one of my nikkas in my mind.. and I'm always trying to get the edge, because if I become wealthy my resources will go towards black youth... and their resources will just feed the machines that fukk the brains of black youth.

 

[observe]

Dude sounds dumb and miseducated.."black man are the superiour race". Ain't no superior race..bunch of racist ideologies,,nothing to see here

Psuedo intellectual charlatan ass nikka

 

[OsO]

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist...

bro this is the internet, just post the vid of polight beefing and going after somebody in a negative way. because everything ive seen of polight, he will debate his brother but he is ultimately trying to bring knowledge to his people.

Also, some of those groups you mention are all about working together... for example, the noi is rejected by most black churches and by some groups that are all about assimilating into white culture.... so that doesn't mean they wouldn't like to work w those groups.

i feel where youre coming from. i used to work at this church, a christian baptist church at that, and in exchange for letting farakhan and the noi hold a meeting in the church when he came town, the noi came and renevated a bunch of stuff in the building, free of charge. roof, paint, floors, wiring, plumbing, the works. AND the local chapter of the NOI still came through once a year after that and touched up their renovations free of charge. so that was love, and im sure they do more things like that.

but the point is, on the whole, black organizations are not working together effectively. each one of these organizations has the supposed "goal" of helping black people, but they cant even control their egos to the point where they can collaborate, let alone accomplish a common goal.

I like the economic knowledge he gives away for free.. I don't have a problem w that. He a pro-black battle rapper, not a non-profit starter.. him and his homies have money.. they put out videos, they even put out video that forcast the next time they will fukk up this or that Afrocentric or militant or black thinker, they fukk madddddddddddddddddd bytches.. the YMCMB line was funny and accurate ( to me).

you sure you got the right crew? maybe you know something i dont know.