POLIGHT TAKING ON THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY

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I knew somebody who actually studied under York and he was a very serious man he wouldn't lie about know shyt like this, he had atlas and all types old books from the beginning of American history written by blacks. People would come from all over, whites, and was the only place where I've seen a real life Native American, who was cosiging everything he talked about as far as the black natives of America.

He had a dojo in the hood, he taught several different types of martial arts FOR FREE to anybody who walked in there. However, he refused to teach whites. He would also fight anybody who challenged or wanted to disprove his training methods. Raised his kids to be warriors, they do nothing but train everyday. Living like some real life Bruce Leroy's completely off the grid, I don't even know thing they use money, they make their own clothes, they live very humble lives.. He was from Chicago and was also friends with Lupe Fiasco's father.

He said all those things about York was true, and I'd take his word over somebody who's never been in contact with the man.

Not to mention his dead now, he mysteriously died in his sleep.

His Sons run the dojo now and still train.

serious tings...

i know someone who used to run with him when he was ansaar, i also know someone who went to school with one of his daughters, and i knew a cat who lived on the compound in georgia with dude... he is all ducktales. the karate master breh u knew may have believed him, seems like karate master was a good dude, BUT york is all BS and plagiarism.
 

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i used to build with a brother who was going to air everything out of the nuwaubians and obviously the man himself but the plan was later changed. It was going to be called 720 questions to ask a Nuwaubian.

I had plenty of cliff notes and recorded conversations with him and other cats that we used to build with..Jacob York-el aka Yacuwb Abdullah Muhammad (son of Yorkie) used to invite a few of us round before the rift with his pops and showed us some crazy stuff that many would find it hard to believe.
 

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i used to build with a brother who was going to air everything out of the nuwaubians and obviously the man himself but the plan was later changed. It was going to be called 720 questions to ask a Nuwaubian.

I had plenty of cliff notes and recorded conversations with him and other cats that we used to build with..Jacob York-el aka Yacuwb Abdullah Muhammad (son of Yorkie) used to invite a few of us round before the rift with his pops and showed us some crazy stuff that many would find it hard to believe.


:aicmon: ......Like???
 

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That's why the NOI deserves some respect IMO. Out of all these groups they are the only ones who actually get shyt done.

yea out of all these groups the NOI probably has been the most progressive and credible. But even today, there numbers are low to the point they had to let non-black members in. There are also rumours that Farakhan sold the nation to Scientology.
 
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serious tings...

i know someone who used to run with him when he was ansaar, i also know someone who went to school with one of his daughters, and i knew a cat who lived on the compound in georgia with dude... he is all ducktales. the karate master breh u knew may have believed him, seems like karate master was a good dude, BUT york is all BS and plagiarism.

what exactly did he plagiarize?

all I know when I cross-examined a lot of the information he was giving out, it all checked out. I was skeptical in the things he was saying until I did my own research and was like this guy isn't wrong.

If you liked young girls, and was money grabbing scrub bag is irrelevant to the actual data.

as far as the karate master, he was no non sense type of dude, you don't understand how hardcore this muthafukka was

the had underground tournaments where they fought other schools, and wanted them to be the death. nikka unraveling scrolls on some foot clan shyt.
Dude new entire human anatomy chart, could hit the meridians send shock waves through your body. He was a real martial artist, only one I ever met, probably will ever. His dojo smelled like shyt, thats how you know they in their working foreal.

You take his class he makes you punch him in his solar plexus and then he hits in yours. His body was so hard even his solar plexus was solid, which I thought was impossible to build up. He was immune to being kicked in the nuts, he tell you to kick you in the nuts and then he'lll kick you in yours. This the type of training he was on. Harding the body into a weapon.
 

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No, not on the level that these Black nationalist want. Jena 6 is not a good example, that isn't the type of scale these dudes are interested in. The way Black America looks today is very different from how it looked 50 years. We are more diverse financially/economically, we have more Black immigrants today, and then you have different views on things like unions, religion, the role of the family,etc. Some examples...

Your statement was that black people won't get behind a united cause, I point to Jena 6 and you say it doesn't count, but you don't give any reason why.

The difference between Jena 6 and the Montgomery bus boycott was the boycott got laws changed. They both were originally grass roots movements, ultimately received national attention, and had the black leaders at the time championing the cause to the masses. The main difference, as I pointed out, was the Montgomery boycott got laws changed. Jena 6 did not because we didn't take it far enough.

Do you think Black feminists who are increasingly more and more influential in media and academia are going to co-sign Brother Polights polygamy stance?:usure:

Do you think these type of quasi-religious organizations are going to be open to Black atheists who have very little tolerance for religion being pushed on them?

How is that different from the time of Garvey and the UNIA or Malcolm X and the NOI? There's always going to be differences of opinions. There's always going to be black organizations who don't agree or get along. Look at what W.E.B. Du Bois said about Garvey:

Marcus Garvey is, without doubt, the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and in the world. He is either a lunatic or a traitor.

and Garvey said this about Du Bois:

Du Bois purely and simply a white man's ******" and "a little Dutch, a little French, a little Negro ... a mulatto ... a monstrosity

That's the head of the UNIA and the head of the NAACP hating each other's guts on a national stage. And we all know how X felt about the black leaders at the time, at least before he took Hajj. But despite their differences, those separate movements were still able to accomplish a lot.

I could go on about how major issues surrounding the Black community won't necessarily have easy concrete solutions if somehow Black people or Black 'leadership" was more united. I don't believe I am ever going to see any Black group on the level of scale that these dudes want, but EVEN if they were able to get the numbers by some miracle the ability to come to anywhere near a consensus on various issues would be highly improbable. Because the major problems in the Black community with the exception of a handful do not have clear cut solutions.

Solutions have never been clear cut. The NOI wanted black nationalism, a separate black state within the US. Dr. King wanted integration and hoped that whites would just accept us. Garvey wanted repatriation back to Africa and attempted to make Liberia the new African capital. The idea that everyone is going to agree on everything doesn't have any sort of historical precedence.

I would rather have local groups with great organizing skills who can focus on local issues to alleviate problems. I have seen that bigger is most definitely not always better, and that when many grassroot orgs grow larger the ceremonial grandstanding and internal bickering increases as well.

Grass roots organizations are definitely needed, but there's also national, and international issues that need to be collectively addressed. It's what Garvey preached in his movement and why he urged for organization among the masses and to leave your politics, religion, country of origin, and any other issue at the door and let's focus on the thing we all have in common: our African heritage.

And honestly, I'm of the opinion that most black people who decry these movements typically are complaining just to complain. They themselves have and will do nothing to be a part of the struggle, but they're always the 1st to point out the deficiencies in others. Either do something to help, or just be quiet and let those attempting to solve problems cook.
 

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what exactly did he plagiarize?

all I know when I cross-examined a lot of the information he was giving out, it all checked out. I was skeptical in the things he was saying until I did my own research and was like this guy isn't wrong.

If you liked young girls, and was money grabbing scrub bag is irrelevant to the actual data.

as far as the karate master, he was no non sense type of dude, you don't understand how hardcore this muthafukka was

the had underground tournaments where they fought other schools, and wanted them to be the death. nikka unraveling scrolls on some foot clan shyt.
Dude new entire human anatomy chart, could hit the meridians send shock waves through your body. He was a real martial artist, only one I ever met, probably will ever. His dojo smelled like shyt, thats how you know they in their working foreal.

You take his class he makes you punch him in his solar plexus and then he hits in yours. His body was so hard even his solar plexus was solid, which I thought was impossible to build up. He was immune to being kicked in the nuts, he tell you to kick you in the nuts and then he'lll kick you in yours. This the type of training he was on. Harding the body into a weapon.

Have you heard of Zachariah Sitchin?
 
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1) York is the Master Teacher - is this where u get ur name?

2) So you mean to tell me I can learn the language right in my own back yard???

Nuwaupic Language Class pt. 1 (Detroit, Michigan) - YouTube

1. yes and no, i know that's how he's follower's referred to him, but that's not why I chose the screen name.

2. It's bookstore you can go to where they teach that and they have copies of a lot of york's books and DVD's of him speaking, it's on Livernois and 7 mile. They have meetings where you can ask any questions about anything, sex, religion, history, science whatever,

Don't really like talking about these dudes online too much, FBI has them listed as Terrorist group
 

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1. yes and no, i know that's how he's follower's referred to him, but that's not why I chose the screen name.

2. It's bookstore you can go to where they teach that and they have copies of a lot of york's books and DVD's of him speaking, it's on Livernois and 7 mile. They have meetings where you can ask any questions about anything, sex, religion, history, science whatever,

Don't really like talking about these dudes online too much, FBI has them listed as Terrorist group

:leon::leon:

you're from da D?

Also, good look.
 

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Your statement was that black people won't get behind a united cause, I point to Jena 6 and you say it doesn't count, but you don't give any reason why.

The difference between Jena 6 and the Montgomery bus boycott was the boycott got laws changed. They both were originally grass roots movements, ultimately received national attention, and had the black leaders at the time championing the cause to the masses. The main difference, as I pointed out, was the Montgomery boycott got laws changed. Jena 6 did not because we didn't take it far enough.



How is that different from the time of Garvey and the UNIA or Malcolm X and the NOI? There's always going to be differences of opinions. There's always going to be black organizations who don't agree or get along. Look at what W.E.B. Du Bois said about Garvey:



and Garvey said this about Du Bois:



That's the head of the UNIA and the head of the NAACP hating each other's guts on a national stage. And we all know how X felt about the black leaders at the time, at least before he took Hajj. But despite their differences, those separate movements were still able to accomplish a lot.



Solutions have never been clear cut. The NOI wanted black nationalism, a separate black state within the US. Dr. King wanted integration and hoped that whites would just accept us. Garvey wanted repatriation back to Africa and attempted to make Liberia the new African capital. The idea that everyone is going to agree on everything doesn't have any sort of historical precedence.



Grass roots organizations are definitely needed, but there's also national, and international issues that need to be collectively addressed. It's what Garvey preached in his movement and why he urged for organization among the masses and to leave your politics, religion, country of origin, and any other issue at the door and let's focus on the thing we all have in common: our African heritage.

And honestly, I'm of the opinion that most black people who decry these movements typically are complaining just to complain. They themselves have and will do nothing to be a part of the struggle, but they're always the 1st to point out the deficiencies in others. Either do something to help, or just be quiet and let those attempting to solve problems cook.

I pointed to what they want they want and have in mind and how it would probably be ineffective, but also that they are thinking on a much larger scale than something like Jena 6. They are not looking to focus on narrow issues, and are obviously thinking on a larger scale which is why I feel you bringing up Jena 6 is irrelevant.

I personally don't think you need this "collective" united front to gain some traction in terms of social change. You look at gay marriage, civil liberties, foreign policy, and other groups and they are very diverse in terms of what they focus on and where/how they operate. Aside from maybe a RT on twitter there often isn't a great deal of collaboration between these groups and yet they are still effective in what they do. There is no major body/group that you think of when you think of civil liberties advocacy, the ACLU isn't out there serving as the main face of civil liberties and in my opinion that is a great thing.

The problem with the idea of leaving your politics, religion, country of origin, and any other issue at the door and focusing on African ancestry is that it assumes everyone places a higher priority on their African ancestry than anything else...unless the racial problem is so blatant and crosses many lines that usually is not the case. Interest group politics has become an even bigger part of our system than ever before, and Black people are not immune to it.You can take a look at the debates revolving around charter schools and the war on drugs to see Black support on several sides of the debate coming at it from conflicting views. The Black CO or Black cop who has seen an increase in work and overtime pay because of the war on drugs is not all of a sudden going to become anti-war on drugs just because he sees men who look like him being imprisoned. The same is true when it comes to Black teachers and/or Black businesspeople when it comes to their positions on charter schools. The problem with Black nationalism, Pan Africanism, and Afrocentricity is that it always falsely assumed that Blacks will often easily trivialize every other part of their identity and place their Black identity above everything else.

As for your last paragraph, the "lack of activism" shaming is tired and played out. There are dudes on here who write passionately about subjects they care about and they don't go out of their way in real life to being apart of any grassroots movement. Is it because they are lazy, hypocrites, scared,etc? No, usually they are in school working to make ends meet, have 9-5's, have 1 or 2 kids they have to take care of on top of that, have to deal with the issues of immediate family and friends and that does not mean that they cannot critique or put forward an opinion on damn message board.
 

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I disagree. Black people will get together. Look at Jena 6 for example. The main issue is we typically end up stopping short, IE getting laws passed to ensure that type of shyt never happen again.

The main issue is 1) a lack of strong leadership, which leads to 2) a distrust in black leadership.

Groups with a leader will get infiltrated and weakened over time. A collective leadership can't be messed with though. I mean look at the NOI. One of the greatest nations out there. It has a leader though and it got infiltrated. Now most black people look away from the NOI because Malcolm no longer liked/agreed with the NOI or The Honorable Elijah Muhammad....or so the media said. Yet this letter says otherwise.

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So who really brought down Malcolm, Elijah/NOI or The COINTELPRO/Media? The point is is that if everyone was a leader and fought for the same cause how could anyone fukk with that? As soon as a leader is made for a group of people and that group relies on said person, it can crumble easily. Again look at the NOI when Elijah passed. Save self first with KOS then spread it. That's where we're at atm, it's going to take time to wake up the people.
 
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