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Seems like yall are caught up on the simple things to discount a large body of work. Like someone who ignores climate issues because of ClimateGate.

those are two different things.

religion hinges on credibility of the messenger because the message cannot be disproven with anything objective. if i say the ten commandments are divine rules ofthe universe, how could you ever disprove that? i can only focus on the meta-facts surrounding it, like how you stole several of those commandments from someone with a different god, or how you said one guy wrote that, and it was a totally different person who wrote it.

science hinges on objective facts. if i am a liar, but my science holds up to your own experiments, then nothing else matters. i might be a bad person, but when i said 2+2=4, and your own calculations agree, then i am right.

that being said, i do agree that the bible contains some good stuff. i like jesus' message of treating people the way you would want to be treated, or thinking of one's own conduct before judging another person, or taking care of people who are weak.to me, i find these good not because the bible says so, but because my own preferences happen to coincide with it.
 

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those are two different things.

religion hinges on credibility of the messenger because the message cannot be disproven with anything objective. if i say the ten commandments are divine rules ofthe universe, how could you ever disprove that? i can only focus on the meta-facts surrounding it, like how you stole several of those commandments from someone with a different god, or how you said one guy wrote that, and it was a totally different person who wrote it.

science hinges on objective facts. if i am a liar, but my science holds up to your own experiments, then nothing else matters. i might be a bad person, but when i said 2+2=4, and your own calculations agree, then i am right.

that being said, i do agree that the bible contains some good stuff. i like jesus' message of treating people the way you would want to be treated, or thinking of one's own conduct before judging another person, or taking care of people who are weak.to me, i find these good not because the bible says so, but because my own preferences happen to coincide with it.

You focus on the effect of disobeying the ten commandments, friend and the truth that its divinely inspired reigns supreme.
 

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You focus on the effect of disobeying the ten commandments, friend and the truth that its divinely inspired reigns supreme.
so? you're not going to visit on Sunday? I'm not being disrespectful, but I believe it's always good to hear things from a different angle.
 

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You focus on the effect of disobeying the ten commandments, friend and the truth that its divinely inspired reigns supreme.

so you want me to focus on that and ignore the more compelling things?

and what would focusing on the effects of disobeying the ten commandments teach me about the divine inspiration of the 10 commandments?
 

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so you want me to focus on that and ignore the more compelling things?

and what would focusing on the effects of disobeying the ten commandments teach me about the divine inspiration of the 10 commandments?

Because the psychology of scripture rules our lives and the more friends resist it, the more they meet various forms of failure.
 

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Because the psychology of scripture rules our lives and the more friends resist it, the more they meet various forms of failure.

real life proves otherwise. people who break those commandments often succeed, and those who follow often fail. many people honor their parents and still die young. lots of murderers are some of the most powerful people on earth
 

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real life proves otherwise. people who break those commandments often succeed, and those who follow often fail. many people honor their parents and still die young. lots of murderers are some of the most powerful people on earth

That really depends on your measure of success. Having money and a big house doesnt equate to success when you wake up in cold sweats every week and your family hates your guts.

Death is ineveitable. Living till 100 years old doesnt mean you lead a fulfilling life and dying at 20 doesnt mean you didnt lead a fulfilling life, in Gods eyes.
 

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This is the current message the Nation is pushing... more or less, it's about action and not talking about action.. and a plan to save the youth in the major cities first.
#TheTime And What Must Be Done by Minister Louis Farrakhan

click here on sunday - to here the week message from the nation.
Nation of Islam Live & On Demand Webcasts

Ok ill check it out. I listened to the last event they had. It was good. Still, the issue isnt what needs to be said its how to motivate friends. There is no motivation because the culture of demons provides enough fleeting happiness for friends to remain stuck in a position where they reeup on demonic energy every week to find happiness while neglecting the hard work internally and externally to elevate ones people and friends, friend. :sitdown:
 

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real life proves otherwise. people who break those commandments often succeed, and those who follow often fail. many people honor their parents and still die young. lots of murderers are some of the most powerful people on earth
well IMO.

Everything happens for a reason. If an evil person kills a lil girl in a Drunk hit and run accidence, doesn't get caught, hits the lottery, becomes a venture capitalist - then funds my bright idea, I use the profits from that, to assist young children in Africa who might have died from preventable diseases..

That may have just been the balance of the universe at play. Sure that man should have been caught, but it's possible that those 100's of children might have died years later. It's also possible that that first lil girl would have grew up to chop her husbands penis off because of a jealous rage. We don't know why everything happens, but many people believe in a balanced universe.

Faith actually helps you in life if you stay positive and faithful. I don't know if it's the law of attraction or god or what.. but there are a lot of dumb muthfackas who make it big from being positive and confident. There are people with advance degrees and high IQ's who will live meager unfulfilled lives because they have no faith and do not subscribe to a balanced universe.

Nikola Tesla states that : The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power.
RZA said... God is like the Ocean, we are like drops of water... each drop might not have the magnitude of the Ocean itself, but on the other hand within each drop of water you can see the vastness of the Ocean.

We are all connected- so the commandments, rules, and laws all help keep shyt on balance. The Balance isn't fair to each drop of water and doesn't negate pain or suffering on Earth. That's not what it's for.
 

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Ok ill check it out. I listened to the last event they had. It was good. Still, the issue isnt what needs to be said its how to motivate friends. There is no motivation because the culture of demons provides enough fleeting happiness for friends to remain stuck in a position where they reeup on demonic energy every week to find happiness while neglecting the hard work internally and externally to elevate ones people and friends, friend. :sitdown:

Friend, the focus is on - at the very least getting back to

[ame=http://youtu.be/5Uoy6xy5AFM]Malcolm X, Hospital Scene - YouTube[/ame]
 

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That really depends on your measure of success. Having money and a big house doesnt equate to success when you wake up in cold sweats every week and your family hates your guts.

Death is ineveitable. Living till 100 years old doesnt mean you lead a fulfilling life and dying at 20 doesnt mean you didnt lead a fulfilling life, in Gods eyes.

there are people who dont care about what they've done. they sleep well.

but anyway, the way you are putting it now, there never can be a measure of success, so looking at the result of breaking the ten commandments also cant show me the divine inspiration of it since we all can always try to find a way to say that someone who appears to be winning or losing is in fact experiencing the contrary. this subjective goose hunt is why i try to focus on things like the veracity of the authorship.
 

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there are people who dont care about what they've done. they sleep well.

but anyway, the way you are putting it now, there never can be a measure of success, so looking at the result of breaking the ten commandments also cant show me the divine inspiration of it since we all can always try to find a way to say that someone who appears to be winning or losing is in fact experiencing the contrary. this subjective goose hunt is why i try to focus on things like the veracity of the authorship.

There are lunatics out there but even a lunatic has struggle from what hes done. The measure of success is in your works of good and your worship of GOD:ufdup: Your ability to overcome your vices that demonically effect friends and ask for forgiveness for the wrong you've done. Lastly your ability to do all of these things while influencing the lost in the right direction, to do the same.

Where does this begin, the fear of GOD whos psychology is perfect and shows us that filth begets filth and the loss of ones soul not being worth the a brief gain. because sometimes evil is not punished but the seeds of evil are. Justice is always served, friend.

Ultimately, when the lights go out friend, its only going to be you and God on that day when he judges your life and none of the people who did wrong and succeeded will be there but hopefully you'll be there, in heaven that is. :umad:

Its so angelic, friend. :blessed:
 

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well IMO.

Everything happens for a reason. If an evil person kills a lil girl in a Drunk hit and run accidence, doesn't get caught, hits the lottery, becomes a venture capitalist - then funds my bright idea, I use the profits from that, to assist young children in Africa who might have died from preventable diseases..

That may have just been the balance of the universe at play. Sure that man should have been caught, but it's possible that those 100's of children might have died years later. It's also possible that that first lil girl would have grew up to chop her husbands penis off because of a jealous rage. We don't know why everything happens, but many people believe in a balanced universe.

Faith actually helps you in life if you stay positive and faithful. I don't know if it's the law of attraction or god or what.. but there are a lot of dumb muthfackas who make it big from being positive and confident. There are people with advance degrees and high IQ's who will live meager unfulfilled lives because they have no faith and do not subscribe to a balanced universe.

Nikola Tesla states that : The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power.
RZA said... God is like the Ocean, we are like drops of water... each drop might not have the magnitude of the Ocean itself, but on the other hand within each drop of water you can see the vastness of the Ocean.

We are all connected- so the commandments, rules, and laws all help keep shyt on balance. The Balance isn't fair to each drop of water and doesn't negate pain or suffering on Earth. That's not what it's for.
so your stance is more about collective impact than any given individual's life?

if that is the case, then personal sinning should not be important enough to have divine morality attached to it. people think "impure thoughts", covet things, have beef with their parents and there is little to no impact on society. so if somebody has disrespect for his parents, but that disrespect does not harm society, should god care one way or the other?

faith can help or hurt. some people leave things up to chance when they should have been making preparations, and ultimately suffer for it. typically, those who make preperations for something will improve their chances for success. also, successful dumb people might have other qualities that actually helped them, charisma, persistence, nepotism, or just weak competition.technology has made thousands of millionares out of otherwise dumb people since we need singers and athletes to entertain us, and technology helps scale the entertainment business enough to sustain high salaries.

but i agree, some smart folks will talk themselves out of great opportunities because their sensible assessment for potential failure turns into some neurotic pathology that causes them to see disaster and failure too much. but also, the other side of the "lucky dumb millionaire athlete" coin is true for smart people - sometimes you are knowledgable about something that is not very marketable. teachers should be paid more, scientists never should have a problem getting funding in the richest planet in human history, yet that is reality.

on tesla, im sure lots of folks with mutually exclusive gods think like this, and use their supposedly god given thoughts to oppose each other. i remember that evangelical american general that was caught telling his troops that their god was better than allah and they would use that to help them kill more islamic combatants. that might be some kind of cosmic balance, but disturbing as hell, LOL. maybe both the evangelical god and allah exist at the same time and let people go against each other like a big game of chess, maybe one of them is wrong and only one god is real and the other guy is just talking to himself, maybe they are both wrong and just interpreting things to justify their behavior...

what rza said sounds nice. i have no idea how true it is, but i like it.
 
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