POLIGHT TAKING ON THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY

[The Real]

i think ive said multiple times why upload the videos, i thought the videos were interesting and they make some good points, not just polight but the HOK videos in general

You keep avoiding the question. Why these and not better videos that make the same points better and leave out the misinformation?

if i thought there was a void of leftist pov's i would post videos and articles of leftist views

What balance do pseudoscience and anti-academic views contribute?

im just making the point that the difference between my views and polights are equally distant from liberal views, so i dont really see what the big deal is if polight says some thing that i disagree with

i could write essays on how harmful leftist views are harmful to black people and i could write essays about how lack of scientific knowledge hurts black people, its the same difference

Sorry, but a longstanding, well-regarded academic view like "liberalism" is not equivalent to lies about curing cancer and diabetes or misinformation about genetics. One is a credible political stance with a large following worldwide, even if you don't agree with it, and the other is pure falsehood with no academic support or value. If you can't see the difference, you may have fallen prey to the anti-academic regression you like to complain about.

i post HOK videos just to add a different pov to the conversation in this illustrious message board

What different pov do they provide that isn't covered by better sources?

 

[Blackking]

The text are readily available on the internet and the bookstore. They're a good read. .

There is truth and lessons in the Bible. However, it has been manipulated.

 

[Blackking]

Sorry, but a longstanding, well-regarded academic view like "liberalism"

im not understanding how VVD's politics are anti-black? if it were not for leftwing ideology, we'd have no MLK or black panthers. leftwing politics are the most historically significant aspect of black liberation in america. .

I think we are confusing a few things here guys.

 

[Mowgli]

There is truth and lessons in the Bible. However, it has been manipulated.

And how has the message been diluted by these alterings. I keep hearing about all this alteration but no one seems to ever say how this effects anything.

 

[theworldismine13]

You keep avoiding the question. Why these and not better videos that make the same points better and leave out the misinformation?

What balance do pseudoscience and anti-academic views contribute?

i am answering the question, there isnt any point im trying to make by posting the videos, the point of the video is to add to the diversity of opinion, people can make up their own minds about it, i find the videos interesting, im not sure why you dont find that answer acceptable, im not trying to preach to anybody

i think a lot of the debates are funny, interesting and sometimes they actually make good points, there isnt anything going on beyond that

and HOK is not just polight, its a bunch of people with different opinions

and again, i dont think anti academic is a way to describe them since they do focus on reading and in books

Sorry, but a longstanding, well-regarded academic view like "liberalism" is not equivalent to lies about curing cancer and diabetes or misinformation about genetics. One is a credible political stance with a large following worldwide, even if you don't agree with it, and the other is pure falsehood with no academic support or value. If you can't see the difference, you may have fallen prey to the anti-academic regression you like to complain about.

its equivalent to me, apparently you underestimate the level of disdain i have for leftist views

earlier in the thread somebody asked me what i think about polight, and i answered it, i explained the good and the bad about him, if somebody asks me what's wrong with liberalism, ill answer it, ill explain the good and bad, its that simple, the stuff you are going on about doesnt mean anything to me

What different pov do they provide that isn't covered by better sources?

i think HOK videos are basically people to people exchanges, and they are communicating individual opinions, there isnt any overall ideology im trying push or explain, i just think the interchange of ideas which occurs in HOK videos are inherently beneficial and interesting

 

[Blackking]

And how has the message been diluted by these alterings. I keep hearing about all this alteration but no one seems to ever say how this effects anything.

The vast majority of Bibles that people read are (or are based on) King James and the beginnings of it's translations to the CAC gutter language of English. The entire ecclesiology and customs of the religions were not keep pure but rather placed into the demonic box of CAC customs and ideas about the origins of Jesus, the disciplines, the meaning of the Bible, freedom, and over all Christian thought. After that the shyt was translated again in the 1700 and the CAC ideas were then combined w some real CACism based on more contact with non-europeans.

From those first translations to later edits the meaning of the words were always debated and always eventually went with the ideas and purposes of the CAC agendas of whoever was ruling the West at the time.

Some of the CAC had interest in Witchcraft, some had interest in str8 demon worship, But Most simply fused the ideas of Christianity with European pagan traditions. However, the most important things about the manipulation was that the mindset of most followers of the religion would become hopeful about a mystical being coming to save the day.. they placed all power in so called Heaven and none on Earth (except for church/political leaders). That idea lead to the entire world having the I want to be a slave mentality. Not physical slaves necessary but mental. You read Greek versions you get that Jesus was essentially telling us that God is within and that we all could be equally as powerful as the Jesus... I could list madd passages in English, then list the shyt in latin, greek, and Hebrew but you can easily look it up.

ALSO - I'm only mentioning this because I'm speaking to you.. but King James was a homosexual. As a matter of fact most CAC leaders in history all the way since Ancient Greece dabbled in a little sword play. Nearly everyone who lead a translation and/or debated about the direction of the scriptures played the type of swords that you find disgusting.

Also, the changes are important because the menatliy isn't we are powerful, it's that god is powerful and through the Church or pope we can eventually sit next to god. The last people on the Earth that needed this type of mentality is black people that have been taken from Africa, because we have used Christianity as one of the few tools to continue our 'now' self perpetuating demise.

 

[The Real]

i am answering the question, there isnt any point im trying to make by posting the videos, the point of the video is to add to the diversity of opinion, people can make up their own minds about it, i find the videos interesting, im not sure why you dont find that answer acceptable, im not trying to preach to anybody

Nah, you're still dancing around the question. I'm not asking you why you're posting those videos, which is what you keep answering. I'm asking why you post these INSTEAD of superior ones that don't have any anti-academic elements. I've already confronted you with the difference between the two, so you can't pretend you're ignorant of it anymore.

and again, i dont think anti academic is a way to describe them since they do focus on reading and in books

Reading books isn't inherently academic. There's nothing academic about reading a thousand Pat Robertson or Muslim Brotherhood propaganda publications or reptilian conspiracy theory books. The point of using those examples above is that each of those individuals or groups has a large amount of publications which it disseminates and encourages people to read as a form of learning.

Academics concerns education and scholarship, which automatically excludes blatantly false and completely unsupported arguments.

its equivalent to me, apparently you underestimate the level of disdain i have for leftist views

We're not talking about your emotions, though, we're talking about an objective fact, which is that the epistemic value of quack science is not equivalent to the epistemic value of an academically-recognized political view that has been operative in human society for centuries. Thus, your argument that posting such anti-scientific nonsense is equivalent to posting liberal views is false. Neither liberalism, conservativism, any form of leftism, nor monarchy are equivalent to Polight's falsehoods.

 

[Mowgli]

The vast majority of Bibles that people read are (or are based on) King James and the beginnings of it's translations to the CAC gutter language of English. The entire ecclesiology and customs of the religions were not keep pure but rather placed into the demonic box of CAC customs and ideas about the origins of Jesus, the disciplines, the meaning of the Bible, freedom, and over all Christian thought. After that the shyt was translated again in the 1700 and the CAC ideas were then combined w some real CACism based on more contact with non-europeans.

From those first translations to later edits the meaning of the words were always debated and always eventually went with the ideas and purposes of the CAC agendas of whoever was ruling the West at the time.

Some of the CAC had interest in Witchcraft, some had interest in str8 demon worship, But Most simply fused the ideas of Christianity with European pagan traditions. However, the most important things about the manipulation was that the mindset of most followers of the religion would become hopeful about a mystical being coming to save the day.. they placed all power in so called Heaven and none on Earth (except for church/political leaders). That idea lead to the entire world having the I want to be a slave mentality. Not physical slaves necessary but mental. You read Greek versions you get that Jesus was essentially telling us that God is within and that we all could be equally as powerful as the Jesus... I could list madd passages in English, then list the shyt in latin, greek, and Hebrew but you can easily look it up.

ALSO - I'm only mentioning this because I'm speaking to you.. but Kind James was a homosexual. As a matter of fact most CAC leaders in history all the way since Ancient Greece dabbled in a little sword play. Nearly everyone who lead a translation and/or debated about the direction of the scriptures played the type of swords that you find disgusting.

Also, the changes are important because the menatliy isn't we are powerful, it's that god is powerful and through the Church or pope we can eventually sit next to god. The last people on the Earth that needed this type of mentality is black people that have been taken from Africa, because we have used Christianity as one of the few tools to continue our 'now' self perpetuating demise.

Please cite some impactful passages that are confusing people today.

Im not going to speculate on king james being a homosexual because there is controvery namely centering around the fact that the guy who said it, had a beef with him and put that information out there 2 decades after he died so But still, homosexuals need to be saved. They should be reading the bible so they can stop getting their culos blasted.

Im sorry man i dont see how the message in the Bible is perpetuating your demise. I dont think brothas/sistas even read the Bible like that. Most just say im saved which i think is harmful because they ignore stopping the activity thats causing them to sin.

Personally, i feel our people are held back by trying to mimic caucasians combined with a culture that is marketed to us through various media tools that is adverse to advancement. Africans come to America, charged with religion and are able to do well, why? Because they arent subjected to the same culture in their native country. Religion really has nothing to do with it, at all.

 

[theworldismine13]

Nah, you're still dancing around the question. I'm not asking you why you're posting those videos, which is what you keep answering. I'm asking why you post these INSTEAD of superior ones that don't have any anti-academic elements. I've already confronted you with the difference between the two, so you can't pretend you're ignorant of it anymore.

again i am answering the question, the videos are interesting, there are very spontaneous man in the street type interviews

the value in the videos is the dynamics of the speaker interacting with other speakers in a very informal setting, i dont think there is anything like it on the web

if i had a specific view that i was trying to push then there could be other videos but im not pushing an agenda, i think the dynamics in the videos is what is interesting and unique about them and what makes it worth posting

any disagreements i may have with the people in the video is just that, a disagreement

Reading books isn't inherently academic. There's nothing academic about reading a thousand Pat Robertson or Muslim Brotherhood propaganda publications or reptilian conspiracy theory books. The point of using those examples above is that each of those individuals or groups has a large amount of publications which it disseminates and encourages people to read as a form of learning.

Academics concerns education and scholarship, which automatically excludes blatantly false and completely unsupported arguments.

but it isnt anti academic to read a thousand pat robertson or muslim brotherhood books either, and i even said when i was asked that their biggest weakness is lack of formal education, i wasnt saying they are academic, the problem with them is their lack of academic credentials but anti academic isnt the right word to describe them

We're not talking about your emotions, though, we're talking about an objective fact, which is that the epistemic value of quack science is not equivalent to the epistemic value of an academically-recognized political view that has been operative in human society for centuries. Thus, your argument that posting such anti-scientific nonsense is equivalent to posting liberal views is false. Neither liberalism, conservativism, any form of leftism, nor monarchy are equivalent to Polight's falsehoods.

i dont share your admiration for liberalism as an "academically recognized political view"

 

[Blackking]

at you listing gay rights as some type of priority of interests I have. What would possibly lead you to believe that I somehow have some kind of gay rights activist passion? Because I clown you homophobes unscientific, paranoid bigoted fear-mongering about gay people? I am simply rebutting ill-informed, dumb assertions.

You have some serious obsession fixation with all things gay, bruh. You've surpassed even Mowgli. At least his gay fixation has kinda morphed into a troll shtick he does for kicks.

You are fukking obsessed with homosexual men. I think you were raped by a gay man/men sometime in your youth. That's the only thing that I can imagine that would explain it. You were in that thread about that kid getting raped typing out descriptive child porn scenarios about boys twirling their turn around dikks and all that. I almost put you on ignore after that.

And here you are yet again bringing up homosexuality in a thread that has nothing to do with it for some unexplainable reason.

Regarding this pro-black stuff, you simply have a narrow-minded, antiquated viewpoint which you define as being "pro-black," it's as simple as that. Your viewpoint is not a litmus of where anyone else's interests fall upon any scale of black interests.

You probably think all black people should join the NOI, lol, and you define that as being "pro-black." Others will tell you that's absurd. It doesn't make them any less pro-black than you...just more sensible.

I wasn't attacking you.. if gay causes aren't a priority of yours then, ok - it just seems like that. Also, I haven't really said anything that would lead someone to think I hate gays, because I don't.. I just realize the realities of certain situations. I actually never even said anything negative at all about homosexuality besides, I don't like overrepresented in media and changing traditional definitions for validation. I don't have an issue with gay people. It's interesting that mentioning it gets you all hype tho, lol


The NOI is a good group... I don't think all black people should join any one group.. but we should support the ones that are positive in the community. And let's not pretend like most of the posters on here are pro-black online or in real life... that would be grossly absurd, friend. I don't agree with hardly anyone about black shyt and being pro black on here - the views vary; however, I wouldn't call those posters not problack. My view isn't narrow at all, so just cool down son.....

 

[Blackking]

I'd have to read where those excerpts came from

Morris Gulett

 

[NZA]

Please cite some impactful passages that are confusing people today.

Im not going to speculate on king james being a homosexual because there is controvery namely centering around the fact that the guy who said it, had a beef with him and put that information out there 2 decades after he died so But still, homosexuals need to be saved. They should be reading the bible so they can stop getting their culos blasted.

Im sorry man i dont see how the message in the Bible is perpetuating your demise. I dont think brothas/sistas even read the Bible like that. Most just say im saved which i think is harmful because they ignore stopping the activity thats causing them to sin.

Personally, i feel our people are held back by trying to mimic caucasians combined with a culture that is marketed to us through various media tools that is adverse to advancement. Africans come to America, charged with religion and are able to do well, why? Because they arent subjected to the same culture in their native country. Religion really has nothing to do with it, at all.

when king james' people changed mentions of sheol into hell, he further confused the way christians would view the afterlife. the greeks screwed it up before him, but he put the final stamp on it.

as for king james, i wouldnt be too surprised if he was a bit light in the loafers, but you are right to be suspicious. words coming out after somebody died that would paint them in a negative light among his peers shoudlnt really be taken at face value without some evidence. politics were far dirtier back then than they are now.

 

[Mowgli]

when king james' people changed mentions of sheol into hell, he further confused the way christians would view the afterlife. the greeks screwed it up before him, but he put the final stamp on it.

as for king james, i wouldnt be too surprised if he was a bit light in the loafers, but you are right to be suspicious. words coming out after somebody died that would paint them in a negative light among his peers shoudlnt really be taken at face value without some evidence. politics were far dirtier back then than they are now.

Ultimately alot of morality comes down to people looking for excuses to justify demonic activity bruh and what you just said about the afterlife plays a big part in that. I think its good the way it is. Worst case scenario you die having lived a life where you were self concious about how you acted morally and you missed out on a lot of filth.

 

[MostReal]

Sometimes I really have to question whether folks like VVD and The Real truly believe if black folks are capable of solving the problems that plague our community.

You guys have this extremely flawed mentality of throwing out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. These men aren't perfect, we all know that. But it's much smarter to not shut them out, and keep them close as to keep their ideas under one roof, if you will. They obviously want good for the black race. A lot of what they say is positive and uplifting. The stuff that they say that appears as quackery, is better to refute in the very same open forum that TWISM seems to want to provide.

Freedom works. Y'all really have to start understanding that. If we believe in eachother and collaborate, what happens after a while is a cohesion of ideas from different people. A common understanding occurs. We act as filters in a way. What would be nice is MORE speakers from HOK, perhaps some more educated people. Use the platform to create an agenda. What we need from eachother is humility and disciple. Those two things because they are what it takes to listen to a man that you might not fundamentally agree with and take away the things he says that we can all agree will benefit us as a whole.

exactly, I just said the same thing basically in an earlier post. The academic intellectuals need to bridge the gap with the hood 'intellectuals' and bounce ideas off each other. The problem is all of the ideas get stuck in one place so there is no transmission of information. Thus, you see WSHH actions on the regular out of poor black people because they don't get any enlightenment.

Whats in the bible and whats practiced by catholics are different. Please stop saying stupid things because you make me have to explain what you should know already.

Alot of these guys don't know the word breh, they think they know but they don't. Christians don't believe you can PAY your way to heaven ...Catholics do, which is why Mob Bosses were so big in the Catholic faith reputation wise.


BlackKing spoke about alot of the things that got translated or interpreted wrong and misused by Cacs. But just like they say Religion got us into slavery, we prayed our way out of it (even though these atheist dudes never acknowledge that.)

 

[Mowgli]

But just like they say Religion got us into slavery, we prayed our way out of it (even though these atheist dudes never acknowledge that.)

When these pagans were making human sacrafices who came along and told them to knock that shyt off. They really sleep on how much believers have helped the planet because of the actions of a few.