POLIGHT TAKING ON THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY

[The Real]

intellectual freedom means just that, intellectual freedom, so i treat polight the same way i treat anybody else

This is meaningless. Intellectual freedom is not why you select the videos you select.

and just like the horrific leftist liberal ideology of government dependance can be eliminated in an open intellectual environment, so can the unscientific ramblings of polight be corrected in an open intellectual environment

Anything can be "eliminated" in an open intellectual environment, depending on a number of factors, including who populates it. Again, that doesn't justify posting it. Every intellectual environment is limited, no matter how open it is. You can fill it with a diversity of educated perspectives and factual arguments, or you can fill it with uneducated and false ones that waste time and spread misinformation. The question is, why choose Polight instead of the many conservative or Afrocentric authors who express his good ideas better, and don't also spread pseudoscience and misinformation? Just repeating "intellectual freedom" doesn't answer that question, since we're not talking about stifling particular supported arguments or facts, but about the same ideas expressed at a higher or lower caliber.

i have a problem with some of the things polight is down with, but i have a problem with seeing black people gnash their teeth and running around like chickens with their heads cut off and like the world is coming to an end because the supreme court might eliminate some dumb ass affirmative action program or eliminate some outdated voter law

Yet you don't post articles about Black people gnashing their teeth/spreading information about those critiques of the affirmative action and voting rights court decisions. We're talking about what you do post.

in other words i dont have enough admiration of your leftist ideology to take your abhorrence of polight seriously

Abhorrence? Anyway, what do my leftist ideas or your complete ignorance of them have to do with Polight spreading falsehoods and misinformation, and you spreading his anti-academic videos? You seem to be avoiding a very direct point.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Polite.. realistically is a cult leader. He has good ideas, he's for the people- but he is also very militant about his self interest (padding his bank acct. and keeping madd p*ssy in his bed)

I WAS WONDERING IF THIS WASN'T PERFECTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BROTHER! AND INVITING CON-MEN AND CULT LEADERS TO "DEBATE" REALLY JUST GIVES THEM AIR TIME TO ADVERTISE THEIR PERSONALITY AND ATTRACT MORE PAYING FOLLOWERS, DUDE! IF YOU IGNORE THESE GUYS, THEY ALWAYS GO AWAY AND COME BACK WITH ANOTHER CON, MEAN GENE! JUST LIKE I HAD TO FORM THE NWO AFTER HULKAMANIA BECAME UNPOPULAR, BROTHER!

 

[theworldismine13]

This is meaningless. Intellectual freedom is not why you select the videos you select.

Anything can be "eliminated" in an open intellectual environment, depending on a number of factors, including who populates it. Again, that doesn't justify posting it. Every intellectual environment is limited, no matter how open it is. You can fill it with a diversity of educated perspectives and factual arguments, or you can fill it with uneducated and false ones that waste time and spread misinformation. The question is, why choose Polight instead of the many conservative or Afrocentric authors who express his good ideas better, and don't also spread pseudoscience and misinformation? Just repeating "intellectual freedom" doesn't answer that question, since we're not talking about stifling particular supported arguments or facts, but about the same ideas expressed at a higher or lower caliber.

i think ive said multiple times why upload the videos, i thought the videos were interesting and they make some good points, not just polight but the HOK videos in general

Yet you don't post articles about Black people gnashing their teeth/spreading information about those critiques of the affirmative action and voting rights court decisions. We're talking about what you do post.

if i thought there was a void of leftist pov's i would post videos and articles of leftist views

Abhorrence? Anyway, what do my leftist ideas or your complete ignorance of them have to do with Polight spreading falsehoods and misinformation, and you spreading his anti-academic videos? You seem to be avoiding a very direct point.

im just making the point that the difference between my views and polights are equally distant from liberal views, so i dont really see what the big deal is if polight says some thing that i disagree with

i could write essays on how harmful leftist views are harmful to black people and i could write essays about how lack of scientific knowledge hurts black people, its the same difference

i post HOK videos just to add a different pov to the conversation in this illustrious message board

 

[Meta Reign]

Sometimes I really have to question whether folks like VVD and The Real truly believe if black folks are capable of solving the problems that plague our community.

You guys have this extremely flawed mentality of throwing out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. These men aren't perfect, we all know that. But it's much smarter to not shut them out, and keep them close as to keep their ideas under one roof, if you will. They obviously want good for the black race. A lot of what they say is positive and uplifting. The stuff that they say that appears as quackery, is better to refute in the very same open forum that TWISM seems to want to provide.

Freedom works. Y'all really have to start understanding that. If we believe in eachother and collaborate, what happens after a while is a cohesion of ideas from different people. A common understanding occurs. We act as filters in a way. What would be nice is MORE speakers from HOK, perhaps some more educated people. Use the platform to create an agenda. What we need from eachother is humility and disciple. Those two things because they are what it takes to listen to a man that you might not fundamentally agree with and take away the things he says that we can all agree will benefit us as a whole.

 

[Mowgli]

If VictorVonDoom creates a youtube channel and calls Polight out theres a good chance it would eventually lead to a debate



Where Vict would get whooped of course






Put ur money where ur mouth is Victor and call the dude out

He feels more brave talking to people hes familiar with on the internet. He wouldnt even jump on the same PODCAST with Polight if he thought that fire was going to be brought to him. fakkit talkin all this shyt get on the podcast be like *well, i had a few issues with some of your viewpoints although i did agree with some of it*.

 

[Mowgli]

Sometimes I really have to question whether folks like VVD and The Real truly believe if black folks are capable of solving the problems that plague our community.

You guys have this extremely flawed mentality of throwing out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. These men aren't perfect, we all know that. But it's much smarter to not shut them out, and keep them close as to keep their ideas under one roof, if you will. They obviously want good for the black race. A lot of what they say is positive and uplifting. The stuff that they say that appears as quackery, is better to refute in the very same open forum that TWISM seems to want to provide.

Freedom works. Y'all really have to start understanding that. If we believe in eachother and collaborate, what happens after a while is a cohesion of ideas from different people. A common understanding occurs. We act as filters in a way. What would be nice is MORE speakers from HOK, perhaps some more educated people. Use the platform to create an agenda. What need from eachother is humility and disciple. Those two things because they are what it takes to listen to a man that you might not fundamentally agree with and take away the things he says that we can all agree with benefit us as a whole.

Black people that spend alot of their time with cac thoughts in their minds arent really open to other perspectives without trashing them first.

 

[The Real]

Sometimes I really have to question whether folks like VVD and The Real truly believe if black folks are capable of solving the problems that plague our community.

I certainly do. Look at my avi. Look at my posting history.

You guys have this extremely flawed mentality of throwing out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. These men aren't perfect, we all know that. But it's much smarter to not shut them out, and keep them close as to keep their ideas under one roof, if you will. They obviously want good for the black race. A lot of what they say is positive and uplifting. The stuff that they say that appears as quackery, is better to refute in the very same open forum that TWISM seems to want to provide.

First, let's not blow my argument out of proportion. My argument with TWISM was that he claims to be all about academics and culture shifts, yet posts a considerable amount of videos of these anti-academics who spread falsities in the Black community, of which Polight is a perfect example, which could be replaced with media that are overall superior, making the good points better and leaving out the misinformation. There's no need for you to inflate that into an argument about shutting Polight out of the world of Black social movements altogether.

Second, where do you personally draw the line between people who say enough good things that it's worth it to promote them and people who don't? For me, blatant and exploitative untruths, such as Polight claiming you can cure cancer and diabetes by buying his special herbs and diet books, or making up random facts about Black ancestry and genetics, are serious issues, especially if you're someone who claims to be pro-academics and pro-uplift like TWISM. For example, I myself can see the value of arguing for even someone like Farrakhan, who has engaged in similar clownery but who also has a long list of worthy achievements under his belt, but not for Malachi York, who for every good thing he's said has done immense damage to the Black community.

Furthermore, and this is the great irony here, Polight exhibits cult tendencies. Such people are the literal opposite of "open forum" types. Who have you seen him debate besides low-hanging fruit like the New Black Panthers or other underground pseudo-cult leaders (which is a perfectly mutually-beneficial business relationship?) And let's extend that argument- remember the Boondocks episode with the Al Sharpton knockoff Rollo Goodlove and Ann Coulter? A major problem with Black progress right now is that in the place of strong leaders or even voices in the discussion, there are a bunch of opportunistic, self-interested businessmen who've grown comfortable with their personal gains, whether people like Polight or Sharpton. Frankly, settling for people like this just because they say and do some nice things here and there has gone on too long and is a problem in itself. And this is exactly the argument you use against Obama supporters who say the same things you're saying now ("He still says/does some good things, you just have to take the good and leave the rest, etc.")

Freedom works. Y'all really have to start understanding that. If we believe in eachother and collaborate, what happens after a while is a cohesion of ideas from different people. A common understanding occurs. We act as filters in a way. What would be nice is MORE speakers from HOK, perhaps some more educated people. Use the platform to create an agenda. What need from eachother is humility and disciple. Those two things because they are what it takes to listen to a man that you might not fundamentally agree with and take away the things he says that we can all agree with benefit us as a whole.

Why are you bringing freedom into this? This isn't a matter of doing away with a diversity of ideas. No one is trying to exclude a whole set of supported opinions or facts- it's a matter of choosing between higher and lower caliber thinking within the same set of positions. You can either have a diversity of strong ideas, or a diversity of weaker and straight out wrong ones. Working together and building a diverse conversation doesn't mean getting rid of selectiveness altogether and leaving the community vulnerable to settling for mediocrity and even regressive influences.

If you're talking about using HOK as a platform, and changing it from within to make it better, that's fine, but again, IMO that's really outside the scope of this particular discussion.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

im not understanding how VVD's politics are anti-black? if it were not for leftwing ideology, we'd have no MLK or black panthers. leftwing politics are the most historically significant aspect of black liberation in america. right wing black politics have not done any of the heavy lifting. they pretty much exist as fringe elements or as catalysts for pushing the left wing ideologies, but that's all.

 

[emoney]

Black people that spend alot of their time with cac thoughts in their minds arent really open to other perspectives without trashing them first.

but you have the ultimate cac thought in your mind (the christian religion)

 

[88m3]

didn't realize this was a flame fest I would have stopped through earlier

 

[Mowgli]

but you have the ultimate cac thought in your mind (the christian religion)

That would be Catholocism, and im not part of that party.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Sometimes I really have to question whether folks like VVD and The Real truly believe if black folks are capable of solving the problems that plague our community.

You guys have this extremely flawed mentality of throwing out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. These men aren't perfect, we all know that. But it's much smarter to not shut them out, and keep them close as to keep their ideas under one roof, if you will. They obviously want good for the black race. A lot of what they say is positive and uplifting. The stuff that they say that appears as quackery, is better to refute in the very same open forum that TWISM seems to want to provide.

Freedom works. Y'all really have to start understanding that. If we believe in eachother and collaborate, what happens after a while is a cohesion of ideas from different people. A common understanding occurs. We act as filters in a way. What would be nice is MORE speakers from HOK, perhaps some more educated people. Use the platform to create an agenda. What we need from eachother is humility and disciple. Those two things because they are what it takes to listen to a man that you might not fundamentally agree with and take away the things he says that we can all agree will benefit us as a whole.

First off you're a :sadpaul: stan, so any finger you point at anyone else for supposedly not being on the side of black peoples' interest should result in 10 fingers being pointed back at you.

But I'm not sure why you're speaking as if The Real and I somehow have some sort of agency over who gets shut out or turned away from the table. There's a thread about these dudes and I gave my thoughts. I'm not sure what all these histrionic overreactions are about, like I'm saying they should be censored or something.

I believe charlatans and poverty pimps should be called out for what they are. These dudes only appeal to a tiny portion of black America anyway, so it's not odd that we would speak critically of them. There's only you, twism, and like 3 weirdos who post here who gives these dudes any sort of credit anyway. Most black people would laugh at them and look at them like they're Damon Wayans inmate character on In Living Color.

There seems to be this inherent assumption in your comments and the comments of others that these guys are a positive force and doing so much good for the community that we should overlook the fact that they're preaching nonsensical gibberish, promoting a dogmatic cultish mentality, and profiting off the poor they're bamboozling.

Well I don't see that. Maybe they are doing some good things, but we're going to need verified examples. Just saying they mean well (which I'm not sure of, particularly in the case of Polight) ain't gonna cut it.

Polight seems like a new York (hopefully he's not a pedo like him). Well what did York ever do positive outside of provide inspiration for KMD's Mr. Hood album? How many doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. did the Nuwaubians inspire? What inroads in politics and academia did they make?

Did he uplift black people? Nah he raped scores of little black girls.

Anybody claiming to be a preacher, teacher, prophet, or purveyor of knowledge or ideology of some form deserves to ne critiqued on the merits of it. And these HOK dudes are spewing pseudoscientific anti-academic

You dudes are disgusting talking about "They may speak a lot of nonsense but their hearts are in the right place." You're treating them like retarded kids instead of grown ass men with agendas.

If black people are going to keep pace with the world, we have to embrace science and education, reject cultish devotion to leaders, and think critically. And thinking critically involves the capacity to reject ideas that are false and of no utility, such as this shyt.

It's funny that you claim I'm the one who doesn't think black people can do anything on their own while you're advocating the coddling of bufoonish charlatanry and poverty-pimping just because it purports to be pro-black. You are for lowering standards in the arena of ideas just because they come out of black mouths.

Are white people like "Don't hate on Scientology, Warren Jeffs, and Heaven's Gate. Their intentions are good"? Think about that and think about why black people are still losing. Your way of thinking is part of the problem.

 

[The Real]

Black people that spend alot of their time with cac thoughts in their minds arent really open to other perspectives without trashing them first.

This from the man who thinks slavery "brought us into the arms of God.". I guess freedom and power are "cac thoughts."

He's right, especially if you're talking the 20th century. Of all the arguments for Black Conservatism, "look at all the progress it contributed to in the past" isn't one of them.

 

[NZA]

 

[emoney]

That would be Catholocism, and im not part of that party.

stop playing


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