Pippen on Magic...

[THE K-MAN]

"Scottie I got this nikka"

 

[Majestic Pape]

***wonders how many posts before this turns into a kobe vs mj thread***



i say 5....

what about kobe when he has guarded steve smith

 

[Majestic Pape]

Yea I think so. Jordan is the ONLY player in NBA history who won titles without a legit, above average, big man in the post. A big man who effects the game on offense and/or defense. THAT is why he is the greatest. Magic never won a title without Kareem. And before you bring it up, that game 6 title clincer vs. Philly in 1980 was only one game without Kareem...they don't win the series without him. Magic is great, but not as great as Jordan. So, yea...Jordan would have still won the 'chip without Pippen working on Magic.

What about Isiah?

If you're gonna say Laimbeer, then you've gotta accept Horace Grant as a legitimate above average big man.

 

[Niqqa You Gay]

When Jordan was on Magic, the spacing on the floor was so much more for the Lakers and made old ass Sam Perkins effective as a three point shooter when Magic kept backing Jordan down deep into low the blocks.

Yeah...Magic still did his thing later in the series, but Pippen wasn't getting pushed into the low blocks when Magic was posting him up. So it hurt the Lakers spacing on the floor much more when Phil made the switch.

fukk y'all Jplaya my dad made me tapes lying ass niqqas

Ya'll need to listen to this man. He watched game 3 after his 15 year high school reunion

 

[ManBearPig]

some star will be willing to play for Jordan by then.

 

[eifmp]

Stop...Horace.

What about Isiah?

If you're gonna say Laimbeer, then you've gotta accept Horace Grant as a legitimate above average big man.

I hear your arguments. And to be honest those two Pistons championship teams are those closest arguments against my statement. But allow me to to explain why Bill Laimbeer was above average, while Horace Grant was average at best.

Laimbeer was a 4 time all-star (1983-1987) vs Horace Grants 1 appearance (1994). Looking up Laimbeer's stats during those all-star years he averaged 16.7 points and 12.3 rebounds over those 4 years. Horace Grant's career highs in 1994 were 15 & 11. Good numbers? Yes. But Laimbeer averages over 4 years were better than Horace Grant's BEST season (1994). Think about that: Horace Grant's career high numbers couldn't even touch Bill Laimbeer's average for a number of seasons. In fact Laimbeer put up double-doubles (pts/rebs) every single year from '81-'82 to '87-'88. A feat Horace Grant only did 2x in a 16 year career.

Laimbeer was in the top 10 in the NBA in total rebounds/rebounds per game for 7 straight seasons (82 - 89). That was WITH rebounding demon Dennis Rodman on the team. Horace Grant was never top 10 NBA in ANY category during his career. Laimbeer was a member of the NBA elite in the rebounding department for a number of years. No one could ever say Horace Grant ever dominated at anything over any part of his career.

Not only could Laimbeer rebound like hell, he could shoot the ball very well... especially from 3. He was the first legit big man who could shoot the long ball. He broke the (then) NBA finals record for 3's made in a game with 6 in 1990. He was able to bring centers out of the paint because of the threat of the long range shot. He was incorporated into the offense as a staple of the pick and roll for those Championship teams. This enabled Thomas, Dumars, and Vinnie Johnson being able to get into the paint and finish without the threat of shot blocking. Bill Laimbeer has more total points and rebounds than Horace Grant despite playing 3 fewer NBA seasons.

To sum it up, in my opinion of course, Bill Lambier was the prototype for a guy like Kevin Love: A big man who could shoot from anywhere on the court and was among the best rebounders in the league, if not the best. Add to that a defensive mean streak, sprinkle in some dirty play here and there, and you have an above average big man.

I don't think the Pistons win without Laimbeer anchoring the middle defensively and being a long range offensive threat. I can't say the same, confidently, about the early 90's Bulls winning without Horace Grant.

 

[PTBG]

If Pippen wasn't on the Bulls, than MJ and the Bulls would continue to be a lottery team and Jordan would be George Gervin status

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

I know most won't agree (don't give a fukk ) but Jordan was a better defender than Pippen.

Pippen gets that rep because that was his claim to fame while Mike was known as a scorer. But who has a DPOY under their belt? Who has more 1st team All Defenses? And that doesn't even get into the eye test. Pippen was a GREAT defender, but Mike was greater.

And as far as this thread goes...

nikkas always trying to discredit somebody.

 

[606onit]

Also, we gonna act like Jordan didn't average 30+ and 11 assists in that series?

Yes....
Yes, we will act as if this did not happen. @ this thread.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Pippen is one of the best defenders ever. That is one of main reasons the bulls won titles. Pippen without jordan = multiple playoff losses. Jordan without pippen or a developed pippen = multiple playoff losses.

Everybody needs help. That doesnt discredit anyones' merits.

So you and all the people that dapped this don't think Mike would have won 1 championship without Pippen....not one....really?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Would Jordan have won the title without Pippen checking Magic that first finals in 91?.....

Absolutely not.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I hear your arguments. And to be honest those two Pistons championship teams are those closest arguments against my statement. But allow me to to explain why Bill Laimbeer was above average, while Horace Grant was average at best.

Laimbeer was a 4 time all-star (1983-1987) vs Horace Grants 1 appearance (1994). Looking up Laimbeer's stats during those all-star years he averaged 16.7 points and 12.3 rebounds over those 4 years. Horace Grant's career highs in 1994 were 15 & 11. Good numbers? Yes. But Laimbeer averages over 4 years were better than Horace Grant's BEST season (1994). Think about that: Horace Grant's career high numbers couldn't even touch Bill Laimbeer's average for a number of seasons. In fact Laimbeer put up double-doubles (pts/rebs) every single year from '81-'82 to '87-'88. A feat Horace Grant only did 2x in a 16 year career.

Laimbeer was in the top 10 in the NBA in total rebounds/rebounds per game for 7 straight seasons (82 - 89). That was WITH rebounding demon Dennis Rodman on the team. Horace Grant was never top 10 NBA in ANY category during his career. Laimbeer was a member of the NBA elite in the rebounding department for a number of years. No one could ever say Horace Grant ever dominated at anything over any part of his career.

Not only could Laimbeer rebound like hell, he could shoot the ball very well... especially from 3. He was the first legit big man who could shoot the long ball. He broke the (then) NBA finals record for 3's made in a game with 6 in 1990. He was able to bring centers out of the paint because of the threat of the long range shot. He was incorporated into the offense as a staple of the pick and roll for those Championship teams. This enabled Thomas, Dumars, and Vinnie Johnson being able to get into the paint and finish without the threat of shot blocking. Bill Laimbeer has more total points and rebounds than Horace Grant despite playing 3 fewer NBA seasons.

To sum it up, in my opinion of course, Bill Lambier was the prototype for a guy like Kevin Love: A big man who could shoot from anywhere on the court and was among the best rebounders in the league, if not the best. Add to that a defensive mean streak, sprinkle in some dirty play here and there, and you have an above average big man.

I don't think the Pistons win without Laimbeer anchoring the middle defensively and being a long range offensive threat. I can't say the same, confidently, about the early 90's Bulls winning without Horace Grant.

Well done sir..Well done

 

[big bun]

The rest of the Bulls finally stepping up is what got Chicago that first title...not just Pippen's D on Magic.

 

[Newzz]

Jordan without Pippen = Loser

Jordan with Pippen = Champion

 

[eifmp]

Well done sir..Well done