Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[Trip]

Honestly... the Knicks' current plan is much bigger than Carmelo -- as it should be.

I can't believe that in an offseason where the Knicks drafted a young, talented player with a bunch of potential, traded a certified chucker-bum for another young prospect, and made smart signings... people are wringing their hands over Carmelo's feelings. This team is better this season that it was last season. That is a good thing. We didn't make any harmful long-term signings, we didn't trade away assets for an Italian dumpster fire.

The only thing that would have changed this team DRAMATICALLY would have been Marc Gasol signing. He was never leaving memphis, so the knicks - instead of panicking and maxing Kanter or some dumb shyt - grabbed solid players on reasonable deals that will help.

And now our two young draft picks are playing their asses off in summer league... It's been a good summer. Relax. :knickphil:

Would have preferred Davis and Aminu rather than Lopez but other than that tough to be too angry.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Honestly... the Knicks' current plan is much bigger than Carmelo -- as it should be.

I can't believe that in an offseason where the Knicks drafted a young, talented player with a bunch of potential, traded a certified chucker-bum for another young prospect, and made smart signings... people are wringing their hands over Carmelo's feelings. This team is better this season that it was last season. That is a good thing. We didn't make any harmful long-term signings, we didn't trade away assets for an Italian dumpster fire.

The only thing that would have changed this team DRAMATICALLY would have been Marc Gasol signing. He was never leaving memphis, so the knicks - instead of panicking and maxing Kanter or some dumb shyt - grabbed solid players on reasonable deals that will help.

And now our two young draft picks are playing their asses off in summer league... It's been a good summer. Relax. :knickphil:

Melo is a very big part of how this team performs .And no one is saying make Melo Gm of the Knicks but if has a active interest in the Knicks plans seeing as how he said this when he resigned and probably was part of the negotiations how does it hurt ?? The guy reached it and tried to recruit players for the Knicks it's smart to include him in the plans. Also if you resign Melo he better be a big part of your plans

 

[mvp_status]

I will say this, if I see Melo consistently looking off *insert gawdlike nickname for Porzingis*, I'm jumping two feet first onto that trade bandwagon

 

[Kitsch]

 

[I.V.]

Melo is a very big part of how this team performs.

Not exactly. This team is not a contender with him, and not a contender without him. The team's performance is not likely to be altered dramatically by Melo.

And no one is saying make Melo Gm of the Knicks

Well, if you give him input on personnel decisions... you are giving him some GM responsibilities. And he simply has not been good enough or successful to have that kind of pull.

On top of that -- since he's passed his athletic prime, his interests are too near-sighted to be trusted with those decisions... and on top of it all he certainly has not shown the ability to draw free agents... So why should his thoughts or feelings be taken into consideration at all?


seeing as how he said this when he resigned and probably was part of the negotiations how does it hurt ??

Probably is code for "maybe" -- and unless I see something in writing about Carmelo's input in personnel, then I'll assume what I assume about all contracts... that he signed a deal to play, not to manage.

And if he was really concerned about the personnel management of the Knicks, then he would have taken resources into consideration when negotiating his own deal. Other players have.


The guy reached it and tried to recruit players for the Knicks

How has that worked out? You need more than a phone call to attract talent, you need cap space and potential for success... That's just a reality of the new NBA, and "playing with Melo" isn't really a draw.

Also if you resign Melo he better be a big part of your plans

Why? Because he voluntarily signed a contract? The Knicks could bench him for the next four years if they decided that is what's best for their team. They could make him inactive, and pay him to vacation. All that contract guarantees is payment. Melo knows that. The roster was not strong when he signed his current deal. The Knicks were not contenders. He signed a max deal, because he wanted max money. He had the opportunity to sign a deal with an upper-tier roster, and declined to do so.

You do not get to retroactively pretend that promises were made, or that your contract entitles you to MORE than money. Carmelo Anthony decided not just to rebuff the Bulls, but ALSO to take a SIGNIFICANT CHUNK of the salary from a weaker roster. I don't blame him. I support every athlete making as much money as they possibly can. But in making that decision, you waive the right to complain about the OBVIOUS EFFECT of that deal, on something like your roster. Less available salary means you need cheap talent, which means you need draft that talent, which means you need to lose. Some of this is basic economics and resource allocation... and some of this is just common sense.

But really - we just need to stop talking about Carmelo like he's some victim. And we need to stop talking about him like he's a superstar. He's a really talented player that got traded to, then signed a big deal - with a bad team, that did not have a lot of cap space or draft picks. The team is now in the process of rebuilding its basketball talent, and its assets. There is also more money to be spent with a higher Salary cap. They acquired two rookies with AT LEAST starting potential. They Signed a starting center, and two fringe starters at Wing and Power Forward.

That is potentially FIVE starting quality players in one offseason. That is a VERY good offseason. If your concern is: Carmelo doesn't have enough talent around him. Then this summer should make you happy.

A team needs depth AND talent... which is something the Cavs just found out from the Warriors. It is something the Spurs have taught us over the years. There were no other star players available to the Knicks this summer... That is a fact. I have to assume Melo knows that as well. All you can do is make smart moves, with solids risk/reward ratios... and hope for production.

It kind of just comes back to the fact that -- Melo signed a big deal with a bad team. So he was always going to have to wait and hope they get better.

If his patience is now getting thin... or if he never really had patience in the first place... THAT (even if we disagree on other points) is his fault.

 

[GhostoftheMan]

it's time

 

[Kitsch]

 

[GhostoftheMan]

Sir Zingis is aggressive today

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Who's this fat guy?

 

[ikbm]

i'll gladly take my L with kristaps...
who's that fat white boy with blonde highlights and glasses on the warriors
this nikka looks like a massive goofball

 

[GhostoftheMan]

Clyde still has that mink coat lol

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Ledo

 

[Wargames]

Ndour continues to look good out there.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Ledo wtf man

 

[The War Report]

Ledo is garbage.