Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[Wargames]

What good did beating the Mavs do for the Warriors? You realize the Warriors lost enough games to land a star in Curry though? The Knicks havent had a stud draft pick since Ewing for god sakes.

they got curry and then lost enough to get klay. look at them now? the warriors went from jokes to a top team in the western conference

 

[Trip]

And the Warriors were 1 pick ahead of the Knicks (Knicks probably lost more games the GS that year)

If fukking Minny didn't cockblock, Curry would have been a NYK

still burns me to the day. ANd the little run the Jets went on last year....same shyt. Not good enough to ever be legit and never bad enough to get a star.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Ferguson protestors should trust and take advice and tips from the FPD and STLPD?

 

[Cory MBA]

You take tips from your competitors?

:sasafro:

Everyone can post and provide input but you always have to consider the source.

 

[The War Report]

I also remember them wanting to draft either Klay or Vuccevic. Knicks are never bad enough to land a star and they had numerous opportunities to land several of them.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

You take tips from your competitors?

:sasafro:

Everyone can post and provide input but you always have to consider the source.

Right, because all Knicks fans arguing for the tank are taking their cues directly from the advice of fans of other teams.

Terrible analogy breh. The fact that a Celtics fan or a 6ers fan would agree has zero to do with the argument and it doesn't affect whether or not the organization goes through with tanking. You're muddling the debate here.

 

[Cory MBA]

Right, because all Knicks fans arguing for the tank are taking their cues directly from the advice of fans of other teams.

Terrible analogy breh. The fact that a Celtics fan or a 6ers fan would agree has zero to do with the argument and it doesn't affect whether or not the organization goes through with tanking. You're muddling the debate here.

There really is no debate.

Go Knicks....win or lose.

 

[23Barrettcity]

they got curry and then lost enough to get klay. look at them now? the warriors went from jokes to a top team in the western conference

The draft is random as fukk though man , once we resigned melo all thoughts of purposely tanking went out the window . Maybe we install a good knowledge of the triangle into our best players and if that happens im happy . I didn't expect to win a title this year

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

What good did beating the Mavs do for the Warriors? You realize the Warriors lost enough games to land a star in Curry though? The Knicks havent had a stud draft pick since Ewing for god sakes.

That wasn't for a few years. And their is NO GUARANTEE that whoever yall want the Knicks to take is a going to be a stud.

 

[Trip]

That wasn't for a few years. And their is NO GUARANTEE that whoever yall want the Knicks to take is a going to be a stud.

The only thing right now that's guaranteed is that the roster sucks and needs young talent.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

This team has enough talent to make the playoffs, I'll never root for my team(s) to lose.

With that said, I think we should be able to steal tonight's game in Houston, because tomorrow's game in Dallas is going to be rough & KD & Sabo are slated to make their return against us Friday night.

 

[Shogun]

GAWDeron guarantees victory tonight, Wednesdays night....every night

GAWDeron refuses to take shyt from anyone. shyt, even the ball can get it

Who the fukk wants next?

Have faith brehs

 

[I.V.]

Unless Melo gets hurt/sits out this team won't lose enough games to tank enough to be worth it. While you're right, it's about the lack of talent that dictates when a team should tank, the Knicks are very much in the middle of the road with Amar'e, Melo, Calderon, and JR Smith as it's best offensive players.

There are 15 teams in the division... so middle of the road offensive players, plus BAD end of the road defensive players doesn't get you in the playoffs.

The Knicks are losing games because of talent, but they're also losing games because they're trying to get acclimated to the system, the coach, and the new players we have. With all of those obstacles, the Knicks are only losing by a point differential of 4. Lakers, T-Wolves and (especially) the 76'ers are losing by more than double that, and one of those teams is actually trying to win games. I'd like to see if the Knicks can look like end of 2013-4 season by at least the end of next month before giving up completely on them.

That's fine, but when we talk about "the end of last season" and "the run the knicks went on" we should also make sure to include the fact that their winning streak took place during one of the worst opponent-stretches in NBA history. I'm not sure their schedule has a stretch NEAR that bad this season, and if it did... they may have already played through the closest thing.

We finally got a key cog in Calderon who will be here next year. I expect Melo, and JR to be here next year, and Shumpert as well if he can get back to the good play he established for most of the month. That's enough of a base to build a great team around next year (hopefully with the addition of Marc Gasol and 1 more key signing).

That's actually not much of a base. It's a star wing. A solid point guard, and mid-level talent wings.

It's too early to tank .

There is no such thing as too early to tank. Statistically, there is only "too late" to tank. If we're talking about logistics.

No they're asking you to look at the big picture..Competing for the last playoff spot is not gonna do anything for the long term benefit of the franchise..
This is a bad team and there are no saviors available in free agency..best case scenario you get a Gasol or Rondo neither of those players will make you a contender..
But if you get a high pick and get a great young player or at the very least use it as an asset like when the Celtics got Ray Allen now you're going somewhere

The business approach.

You not even a Knicks fan, we care don't care about your input.

The fan approach.

Please note: half of the tank supporters are not Knick fans.....

You think they are looking out for our best interests?

More weird cabal-like, insular fanaticism.

But I'll say this:

Newsgathering and Journalism have taught me the importance of taking in objective non-partisan opinions. That's why you need two outside sources to confirm a story.

I disagree I think gasol a known talent could make us a contender . Young talent can be trash . Im not saying the draft can't help but I'm not sold on it

I actually don't think Gasol alone makes us a contender. I think he puts us back in the playoffs.

And to break it down as starkly as possible.

You are arguing for:

Gasol + a worse pick from a pool young talent
over
Gasol + a better pick from a pool of young talent

Which is particularly stupid when you consider the fact that REALLY Gasol is the variable. There is no reason to believe the Knicks are getting Gasol. He is merely a fantasy. I can tell you for a FACT that if the knicks finish with a WORSE record, they have LARGER pool of young talent to choose from. That is the only fact in this conversation.

If you choose to BELIEVE (as people do - in things like voodoo, jesus, allah, and the tooth fairy) that the Knicks are deffly, deffly getting Gasol. You are basically advocating putting LESS talent around him, rather than MORE talent around him.

But when you consider the fact that he very well may not end up in new york.

You are arguing for LESS talent around Melo, over MORE talent around melo.


This team is not good enough to compete for a championship, which is fine. Many aren't. Portland, for example is a really good team that won't win a title. But the knicks are not as good as portland. In fact, they are way way worse than portland. They are worse than the Wizards and the Hawks, two more teams that are good, with good young talent, that aren't good ENOUGH to win a title.

The Knicks need a talent infusion this off season, some of that will be through free agency. But it will also be through the draft. They don't have their pick next year, they have it this year... and no matter how you look at it - objectively - it makes sense to have the best pick possible.

The only thing right now that's guaranteed is that the roster sucks and needs young talent.

That was a more succinct way to do it.

 

[Cory MBA]

Someone has evident self-esteem issues. Not worth my time to go in.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Phil isn't down with the tank, but I'm sleep though

The gawd has spoken