Pete Nice Says MC Serch is a Legend In His Own Mind!!!!!

[hex]

I googled "MC Hammer Dissed"

Dog, are you trolling right now?

Why do you have to Google something you claim you were around for?

The fukk is going on in this thread?

And no, I'm not from the tri-state area. Never been there, or anywhere near it. I grew up in the mid west, I've posted pics of the exact block. Hell, i was just talking to someone in this thread, about the schools I went to.

So no, this ain't some regional shyt. Too Short dissed him on "Short But Funky", did you even know that?

Like I said, people thought he was corny.

Hammer came in the game dissing people, he was "dance/rap" so he wasn't taken seriously, then he crossed the fukk over.

That's why a gang of rappers dissed him, and people didn't like him. Not all this other shyt you're talking about.

Fred.

 

[Why-Fi]

i was around and hammer got dissed initially for becoming disrespectful to established ny acts when he finally broke. i say becoming because he got on it like that for what he perceived as regional bias trying to get play for his first single. all that shyt started before most people ever heard of him. literally what turn this motha out song and video was about. i know this because i hung with a kid in middle school who was a fukking super fan, some time before let’s get it started came out. i was too young to care how he knew about it but i remember him saying to us all the time that they weren’t playing his shyt over here yet.

he got dissed after can’t touch this because it was pop and fukking everywhere. he became the archetype for selling out, and started getting imitators and people didn’t like where it was going

finally like we all heard by now he went after serch or 3rd bass or whoever because he had an issue with white boys invoking his mother the way they did

 

[Why-Fi]

strangely enough i didn’t like any of his shyt until can’t touch this came because he scaled it back. all that yelling and screamy church singing, jumping around n shyt was too frenetic for me

 

[Hitman's Shades]

I never rocked with 3rd Bass as I saw them as try hards who were not black. Hammer was viewed as corny to a lot of "real" hip hop fans back then and selling out. (This may be hard to understand to some viewing it through today's lens because sadly most of popular hip hop would be "sell outs" by the definition back then.) I actually liked Hammer, but he lost me with the dancing for chicken. That's when I couldn't really defend him anymore. And then the switch to "All Good/Pumps in a Bump" music... naaah. Back then, when white folks started liking you in masse, you were moving the wrong way... think U Can't Touch This, Ice Ice Baby, Whoomp There it Is, Everybody Dance Now, etc. The late 80's-early 90's had a lot of dance rap music that was loved in the moment by the mainstream but hated by the actual lovers of the music. Truth be told, Naughty by Nature's image had to be protected because for a minute OPP was going that same popular route until white folks really figured out what it meant. And since no one has posted this yet, Ice Cube dissed Hammer back then as well in the True to the Game video.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I never rocked with 3rd Bass as I saw them as try hards who were not black. Hammer was viewed as corny to a lot of "real" hip hop fans back then and selling out. (This may be hard to understand to some viewing it through today's lens because sadly most of popular hip hop would be "sell outs" by the definition back then.) I actually liked Hammer, but he lost me with the dancing for chicken. That's when I couldn't really defend him anymore. And then the switch to "All Good/Pumps in a Bump" music... naaah. Back then, when white folks started liking you in masse, you were moving the wrong way... think U Can't Touch This, Ice Ice Baby, Whoomp There it Is, Everybody Dance Now, etc. The late 80's-early 90's had a lot of dance rap music that was loved in the moment by the mainstream but hated by the actual lovers of the music. Truth be told, Naughty by Nature's image had to be protected because for a minute OPP was going that same popular route until white folks really figured out what it meant. And since no one has posted this yet, Ice Cube dissed Hammer back then as well in the True to the Game video.

I was a kid then I all I remember was dancing to those songs and having fun at the skating rink.
Pumps and a bump

 

[mson]

I never rocked with 3rd Bass as I saw them as try hards who were not black. Hammer was viewed as corny to a lot of "real" hip hop fans back then and selling out. (This may be hard to understand to some viewing it through today's lens because sadly most of popular hip hop would be "sell outs" by the definition back then.) I actually liked Hammer, but he lost me with the dancing for chicken. That's when I couldn't really defend him anymore. And then the switch to "All Good/Pumps in a Bump" music... naaah. Back then, when white folks started liking you in masse, you were moving the wrong way... think U Can't Touch This, Ice Ice Baby, Whoomp There it Is, Everybody Dance Now, etc. The late 80's-early 90's had a lot of dance rap music that was loved in the moment by the mainstream but hated by the actual lovers of the music. Truth be told, Naughty by Nature's image had to be protected because for a minute OPP was going that same popular route until white folks really figured out what it meant. And since no one has posted this yet, Ice Cube dissed Hammer back then as well in the True to the Game video.

This video looks like a treatment for Drop Squad

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Well to be fair. If they all agreed that girlfriends or wives on the tour would be a distraction and not to bring them and Search did...

Then Search was the problem.

I watched a Pete Nice interview from fairly recently.

Serch is all like they got this serious beef and always runs Pete down.

Pete was talking like he still is friends with Serch. No venom. No even mention of bad blood.

Seems like Serch is a jerk and always playing the role of the stoic hero, when he's really a Diva and the source of the drama.

 

[DANJ!]

Seems like Serch is a jerk and always playing the role of the stoic hero, when he's really a Diva and the source of the drama.

This has been a running thing with him for years... every time he tells a story, he was the good guy, the smartest guy in the room, the tough one, the one who nothing would have ever gone right if not for him, etc. If you've ever personally known a person like this, you know half that shyt is true and the other half is just made-up extra shyt they're seasoning the story up with. Most people who've I've seen speak on dealin' with him don't necessarily have bad shyt to say, but they also don't have a lot of positive stand-up shyt to say about him.

 

[DANJ!]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that had a problem with folks trying to re-write and sanitize Hammer's history like he was a victim. Even if all of his shenanigans didn't happen, he would have been seen as corny by other rappers, but they would have let him be. But no. He had to come out dissing the very people who were the reason why he even had a career from the get-go,

And folks really need to stop this "everybody was jealous of Hammer" crap. He may have been the man to middle school kids and adults who didn't know any better. In our circles, he was viewed as a clown by those who actually listened to hip-hop.

Yeah... I'ma be happy when people finally let go of this "because he wasn't from NY" shyt... because there's plenty of people who weren't from NY or Cali who didn't give a fukk where Hammer was from. They just weren't bumpin' his shyt. If you were 9 years old and loved dancin' to "Pray" in your British Knights, Hammer mighta been the shyt. But for the people really following hip-hop at the time, there was MANY other options besides MC Hammer. I was 10 in '90 and didn't dislike Hammer, but I had an older brother who was playing PE, Ice Cube, Rakim, EPMD, Quest, LL, Above the Law, X-Clan, etc... even at that age, I knew THEY were dope- Hammer to me was a dude who can dance his ass off, and he raps too, I guess. Didn't hate it, but wasn't a fan either.

Now all these years later, I respect what the man did for his peoples and his positive contributions, but that still ain't gonna make me play his album and act like that shyt was dope. Because it's not about him as a human being. As a rapper, he was wack.

 

[Hannibal Fox]

Hammer came in the game dissing people, he was "dance/rap" so he wasn't taken seriously, then he crossed the fukk over.

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I used to look at his stuff like they were gag records man, look at the 2 Legit 2 Quit video, that shyt was self parody at that point

 

[hex]

Yeah... I'ma be happy when people finally let go of this "because he wasn't from NY" shyt... because there's plenty of people who weren't from NY or Cali who didn't give a fukk where Hammer was from. They just weren't bumpin' his shyt. If you were 9 years old and loved dancin' to "Pray" in your British Knights, Hammer mighta been the shyt. But for the people really following hip-hop at the time, there was MANY other options besides MC Hammer. I was 10 in '90 and didn't dislike Hammer, but I had an older brother who was playing PE, Ice Cube, Rakim, EPMD, Quest, LL, Above the Law, X-Clan, etc... even at that age, I knew THEY were dope- Hammer to me was a dude who can dance his ass off, and he raps too, I guess. Didn't hate it, but wasn't a fan either.

Now all these years later, I respect what the man did for his peoples and his positive contributions, but that still ain't gonna make me play his album and act like that shyt was dope. Because it's not about him as a human being. As a rapper, he was wack.

I was 14 in '90. his shyt was basically a musical appetizer.

I wouldn't even say it was in the same lane as rap, rap. Kids were dancing to his shyt in between classes but his name never came up when rap was discussed. Like I said earlier in the thread, Kid N Play was cool but nobody was talking about "D.O.C. or Kid N Play, who got better bars?"

He did receive some unnecessary hate but he earned the vast majority of it. Couple that with the fact that rap is so mainstream and crossed over now people are looking at 1990 opinions of him through a 2022 filter, when rap wasn't even really on yet back then.

Which is where a lot of the animosity came from. Rap barely had it's own foot in the door and here he comes trying to cross over.

It was seen as a betrayal.

Fred.

 

[DANJ!]

I was 14 in '90. his shyt was basically a musical appetizer.

I wouldn't even say it was in the same lane as rap, rap. Kids were dancing to his shyt in between classes but his name never came up when rap was discussed. Like I said earlier in the thread, Kid N Play was cool but nobody was talking about "D.O.C. or Kid N Play, who got better bars?"

He did receive some unnecessary hate but he earned the vast majority of it. Couple that with the fact that rap is so mainstream and crossed over now people are looking at 1990 opinions of him through a 2022 filter, when rap wasn't even really on yet back then.

Which is where a lot of the animosity came from. Rap barely had it's own foot in the door and here he comes trying to cross over.

It was seen as a betrayal.

Fred.

And let's also add that he himself attempted to separate himself from rap when he dropped "MC" from his name, stating that he did it because he was more than a rapper, bigger than rap, an entertainer, etc... which is all well and good, but then don't act like it's above criticism when you no longer want to be considered a rapper. Sometimes you cross so far over, nikkas say "OK cool, stay over there".

I agree, some of the criticism was unnecessary- the "sellout" word in particular. He was definitely not what is considered a sellout because he gave back to his community and didn't turn his back to the people who helped him. But the rest of the backlash on him makes total sense, and anyone who doesn't get it was either not really following hip-hop at the time or are only looking in hindsight because they weren't there. Either way the "coastal bias" talk needs to die, cause that had jackshyt to do with it.

 

[TripleAgent]

And let's also add that he himself attempted to separate himself from rap when he dropped "MC" from his name, stating that he did it because he was more than a rapper, bigger than rap, an entertainer, etc... which is all well and good, but then don't act like it's above criticism when you no longer want to be considered a rapper. Sometimes you cross so far over, nikkas say "OK cool, stay over there".

I agree, some of the criticism was unnecessary- the "sellout" word in particular. He was definitely not what is considered a sellout because he gave back to his community and didn't turn his back to the people who helped him. But the rest of the backlash on him makes total sense, and anyone who doesn't get it was either not really following hip-hop at the time or are only looking in hindsight because they weren't there. Either way the "coastal bias" talk needs to die, cause that had jackshyt to do with it.

Nah. That nikka sold out.

 

[DANJ!]

Nah. That nikka sold out.

He gave back to his community, helped people who were poor and gave them jobs (who then abandoned him when shyt didn't go the way they wanted), did for a buncha MFs he didn't have to do anything for... how is that a sellout? Anything else you can slam him for is whatever, but sellout is the last thing you can call him.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

He gave back to his community, helped people who were poor and gave them jobs (who then abandoned him when shyt didn't go the way they wanted), did for a buncha MFs he didn't have to do anything for... how is that a sellout? Anything else you can slam him for is whatever, but sellout is the last thing you can call him.

It's about selling out the music not the community that's the logic. You stopped appealing to the hard-core audience for a payday. "You took a pop hit and made senseless rhymes fit!" That's what they are talking about. White dudes could NEVER get away with calling a Black person like an Uncle Tom or something. No matter if it was true or not that shyt would not fly in the public square.
"Selling out" logic I used to believe in deeply but I changed my mind and think it's a bunch of bullshyt now. Making pop music is NOT easy. It is actually harder to appeal to many demographics all at once than one demo who are already inclined to your thinking/sensibilities. And getting paid the best you possibly can for your creative work is smart. Elevating creative endeavors to some 'sacred' pedestal and making arbitrary rules on what is authentic is a slippery slope and kinda dumb or over serious.
So while I don't believe in that shyt anymore I do understand the logic.