Pete Nice Says MC Serch is a Legend In His Own Mind!!!!!

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He gave back to his community, helped people who were poor and gave them jobs (who then abandoned him when shyt didn't go the way they wanted), did for a buncha MFs he didn't have to do anything for... how is that a sellout? Anything else you can slam him for is whatever, but sellout is the last thing you can call him.



 

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So he did commercials/endorsements for large companies... and because of this, he was a sellout?

Well, he must have saved a seat on that bus for Cube, LL, Nas, Jay, KRS, Chuck D, and a bunch more of 'em... because damn near everybody in the rap game had done commercials n shyt by the end of that decade.

Also, find the time Cube wrote in to the Source and denied dissing Hammer in the video after Hammer pulled up on him in LA about it.

Like I said, his music was wack and he did/said some goofy shyt, but he also did a lot for his community, that's not something a "sellout" would do.
 
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It's about selling out the music not the community that's the logic. You stopped appealing to the hard-core audience for a payday. "You took a pop hit and made senseless rhymes fit!" That's what they are talking about. White dudes could NEVER get away with calling a Black person like an Uncle Tom or something. No matter if it was true or not that shyt would not fly in the public square.
"Selling out" logic I used to believe in deeply but I changed my mind and think it's a bunch of bullshyt now. Making pop music is NOT easy. It is actually harder to appeal to many demographics all at once than one demo who are already inclined to your thinking/sensibilities. And getting paid the best you possibly can for your creative work is smart. Elevating creative endeavors to some 'sacred' pedestal and making arbitrary rules on what is authentic is a slippery slope and kinda dumb or over serious.
So while I don't believe in that shyt anymore I do understand the logic.

This I concur with. But even in Hammer's case, it ain't like this man started off spittin' bars and bein' a hardcore rap type nikka in the first place. He got more and more over-the-top image wise as he got bigger but it wasn't like it was some big surprise when 'Can't Touch This' came out. I could see if his first shyt sounded like BDP and then he come outta left field dancin' in a shiny suit the next year. If anything, his biggest style shift was later when he popped up with 'Pumps & A Bump' and dressin' "hard" outta the blue :pachaha:
 

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So he did commercials/endorsements for large companies... and because of this, he was a sellout?

Well, he must have saved a seat on that bus for Cube, LL, Nas, Jay, KRS, Chuck D, and a bunch more of 'em... because damn near everybody in the rap game had done commercials n shyt by the end of that decade.

Also, find the time Cube wrote in to the Source and denied dissing Hammer in the video after Hammer pulled up on him in LA about it.

Like I said, his music was wack and he did/said some goofy shyt, but he also did a lot for his community, that's not something a "sellout" would do.
1. Cube lied. Find who else fit that description. I'll wait
2. The difference is the tone and buffoonery. LL is spitting raw on his Gap commercial (and gave FUBU a look that helped make them), all the classic Sprite commercials are just freestyling in the studio. You ca tell cacs came up with all that Hammer shyt because it was all corny monkey shine foolery.
 

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This I concur with. But even in Hammer's case, it ain't like this man started off spittin' bars and bein' a hardcore rap type nikka in the first place. He got more and more over-the-top image wise as he got bigger but it wasn't like it was some big surprise when 'Can't Touch This' came out. I could see if his first shyt sounded like BDP and then he come outta left field dancin' in a shiny suit the next year. If anything, his biggest style shift was later when he popped up with 'Pumps & A Bump' and dressin' "hard" outta the blue :pachaha:
Yeah, it's a subjective thing. While they wanna shyt in Hammer for sampling Superfreak they let BDK slide for sampling All Night Long. Obvious hits by other artists, where's the consistency? I think it was because he isn't lyrical, sampled a well known song, dresses like a showmen and is not from NY they hated.
If you want to say Hammer is wack fine but saying he is selling out music because of some made up inconsistent rules he never heard of is dumb.
 

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Yeah, it's a subjective thing. While they wanna shyt in Hammer for sampling Superfreak they let BDK slide for sampling All Night Long. Obvious hits by other artists, where's the consistency? I think it was because he isn't lyrical, sampled a well known song, dresses like a showmen and is not from NY they hated.
If you want to say Hammer is wack fine but saying he is selling out music because of some made up inconsistent rules he never heard of is dumb.

Nah, Kane was dope whereas Hammer was not... lots of artists sampled hit records, that really was not the backlash on Hammer nor was the "he's not from NY" shyt. Hammer came out dissing respected dudes in the game and had the nerve to be a half-ass rapper- that's a good 80% of what caused him to get dissed. And for the record, Kane got a backlash just the same when he started making slow jams n'shyt, LL got booed off the stage IN NEW YORK in '89, there were rappers from NY that were dissing EACHOTHER... we gotta stop makin' Hammer a victim, breh. The only thing I will defend is that he as a black man did right by other black people- the rest of it, eh.
 

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The whole sell out thing wasn't "he went from A to B".

A lot of people felt like he was making rap more palatable to people that otherwise would have no interest in it. As opposed to hip-hop being it's own thing, and people coming to it on it's own terms.

When Billboard is praising how many albums Hammer is selling while the editor is telling people not to cop "Death Certificate" because it's hateful....it's going to rub people the wrong way.

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I agree, some of the criticism was unnecessary- the "sellout" word in particular. He was definitely not what is considered a sellout because he gave back to his community and didn't turn his back to the people who helped him. But the rest of the backlash on him makes total sense, and anyone who doesn't get it was either not really following hip-hop at the time or are only looking in hindsight because they weren't there. Either way the "coastal bias" talk needs to die, cause that had jackshyt to do with it.

He gave back to his community, helped people who were poor and gave them jobs (who then abandoned him when shyt didn't go the way they wanted), did for a buncha MFs he didn't have to do anything for... how is that a sellout? Anything else you can slam him for is whatever, but sellout is the last thing you can call him.
Again, y'all are looking at in through a modern lens.

We had no idea in 1989 what the fukk Hammer was doing for his community 90% of the time unless you were purposely tracking down articles about Hammer, you weren't knowing how many people in East Oakland dude was hiring.

What you knew was he was dumbing down rap music and making clown ass music for White folks.

That made him a "sellout" by the terms of the day.

Nobody got points for being "positive" back then because also it was expected that you'd put your people on once you got some loot.

Rappers were always having their boys from the neighborhood all on the records & videos.

Hammer wasn't special in that sense.

It was just the scale because Hammer had so much more money than anybody else by the early '90s that he was able to hire dozens maybe hundreds of people from the hood, but by old-school Hip-Hop standards, that's what cats were supposed to do if they got some loot. Put the hood on.
 

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That's why I hate this new "black people loved hammer " posts
Like, old people and little kids loved Hammer.

All the 8 year olds and 70 year olds loved Hammer.

A lot of girls liked Hammer too because most women have shytty taste in music and like anything with a beat :yeshrug:
 

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I watched a little of that MC Serch podcast. Dude was trying to hard to seem like he was the smartest guy in the room.
 
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