People who don't understand the significance of Superman not killing!

[Jello Biafra]

All powerful superhero is feared by the public and is yet a bit detached from the public as well. And his very existence plays into world politics.
Both Dr. Manhattan and Superman fit this mythos.
Are you dismissing this as a coincidence?

I think that is a bit of a stretch.
Manhattan is detached from humanity his and the people he exists beside because he has advanced so far past human beings that they were like ants to him.
Superman is detached from the public as you state because his human father ingrained in him a distrust of people/the government based on fear of how they would treat him.
One character lost his humanity while the other is incredibly human.

 

[Jello Biafra]

People still talking about Gigi and Showgirls too

Nobody still talks about Gigli (I assum that is the movie you are talking about).
Showgirls has become a cult classic along the lines of The Rocky Horror Picture Show so thats why it still gets talked about. Cultural relevance is a huge part of it.

 

[NobodyReally]

They're mentioned in passing as films in lists of films that bombed.

People aren't having in depth discussions about the plot and characters.

People are having in-depth discussion about plot and characters for MoS because Goyer and Snyder fukked both of those things up. I guarantee you if they fukk up the new Black Panther movie by having T'Challa out here destroying Wakanda while trying to save it or doing something super uncharacteristic that he would never do in the comics, people will be talking about it for years.

 

[Doomsday]

He's always killed somebody though

No he doesn't. Certain writers made him overly dark in their narrative (Frank Miller for example) and those stories ended up being his most popular. 99% of Batman mythos he's completely non-violent. Even when Joker tortured and corrupted Tim Drake, Joker told Batman to his face he didn't have the heart to kill Joker, and Batman didn't. Only writers who change the narrative of batman to suit their personal vision have him doing immoral things.

Batman even killed Joker in the animated movie... Finally.

The animated version of a Frank Miller comic that is arguably non-canon.

Not saying his first instinct is to kill but lets not act like he hasn't bodied people... Superman too

Batman's narrative is extremely non-violent. He's more righteous than Superman is. That's what his entire character is based on; not wanting anyone else to go through what he did and believing that everyone can be saved.

 

[Jello Biafra]

People are having in-depth discussion about plot and characters for MoS because Goyer and Snyder fukked both of those things up. I guarantee you if they fukk up the new Black Panther movie by having T'Challa out here destroying Wakanda while trying to save it or doing something super uncharacteristic that he would never do in the comics, people will be talking about it for years.

Not really.
The general public have preconceived notions of the type of character Superman is supposed to be and tend to lose their shyt when he is not a big blue boy scout.

The general public has no fukking idea about T'Challa so his movie can have him doing damn near anything and people will just go because their is not a concrete image of the character that the majority of movie-goers will have.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

People are having in-depth discussion about plot and characters for MoS because Goyer and Snyder fukked both of those things up. I guarantee you if they fukk up the new Black Panther movie by having T'Challa out here destroying Wakanda while trying to save it or doing something super uncharacteristic that he would never do in the comics, people will be talking about it for years.

Except for the fact that MOS has a huge fan base of people that liked the direction of the film,hence why the discussions are happening.

If everybody agreed their would be no discussion .


People aren't having in depth discussions about how sam raimi and Topher grace portrayed venom because nobody fukking liked it


Nobody talks about superman returns AT ALL even though it received high critical praise and was the superman people said they wanted.

 

[Jello Biafra]

No he doesn't. Certain writers made him overly dark in their narrative (Frank Miller for example) and those stories ended up being his most popular. 99% of Batman mythos he's completely non-violent. Even when Joker tortured and corrupted Tim Drake, Joker told Batman to his face he didn't have the heart to kill Joker, and Batman didn't. Only writers who change the narrative of batman to suit their personal vision have him doing immoral things.


And idk where this notion that people don't die in these movies comes from, maybe the comic books but people think nobody dies in the comic movies when all these buildings are collapsing, bombs going off, people getting kicked out of windows or whatever the fukk goes on.



The animated version of a Frank Miller comic that is arguably non-canon.



Batman's narrative is extremely non-violent. He's more righteous than Superman is. That's what his entire character is based on; not wanted anyone else to go through what he did and believing that everyone can be saved.

Every depiction of Batman on the big screen (outside of the Adam West one) has been pretty damn nonchalant when it comes to killing bad guys.

 

[NobodyReally]

Not really.
The general public have preconceived notions of the type of character Superman is supposed to be and tend to lose their shyt when he is not a big blue boy scout.

The general public has no fukking idea about T'Challa so his movie can have him doing damn near anything and people will just go because their is not a concrete image of the character that the majority of movie-goers will have.

Except for the fact that MOS has a huge fan base of people that liked the direction of the film,hence why the discussions are happening.

If everybody agreed their would be no discussion .


People aren't having in depth discussions about how sam raimi and Topher grace portrayed venom because nobody fukking liked it


Nobody talks about superman returns AT ALL even though it received high critical praise and was the superman people said they wanted.

Fair enough. My point still stands. Just because a movie generates a lot of discussion doesn't make it a great movie. It just means the director and writers made decisions that would create controversy. That shouldn't be mistaken for greatness.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I think that is a bit of a stretch.
Manhattan is detached from humanity his and the people he exists beside because he has advanced so far past human beings that they were like ants to him.
Superman is detached from the public as you state because his human father ingrained in him a distrust of people/the government based on fear of how they would treat him.
One character lost his humanity while the other is incredibly human.

OK, the reasons they are detached is different yet they both still are. What about humanity's fear and the political angles in both movies. Strikingly similar or is that 'stretch' to?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You still haven't listed how mos superman is a direct rip off of dr.Manhattan as a character.

Either explain how,or shut the fukk up.

10 posts later you still won't say how.

Psst . . . commands don't work on the message boards. lol

 

[O.T.I.S.]

No he doesn't. Certain writers made him overly dark in their narrative (Frank Miller for example) and those stories ended up being his most popular. 99% of Batman mythos he's completely non-violent. Even when Joker tortured and corrupted Tim Drake, Joker told Batman to his face he didn't have the heart to kill Joker, and Batman didn't. Only writers who change the narrative of batman to suit their personal vision have him doing immoral things.



The animated version of a Frank Miller comic that is arguably non-canon.



Batman's narrative is extremely non-violent. He's more righteous than Superman is. That's what his entire character is based on; not wanting anyone else to go through what he did and believing that everyone can be saved.

Regardless of who wrote it, he has killed... Correct?

I know how Batman is perceived and comes off, just like the Batman in BvS was SUPPOSED to be more violent and apathetic than when he first began.
Just because different writers write his shyt a certain way means nothing... He has killed before in comics, animated films, and movies... Correct?

 

[Jello Biafra]

OK, the reasons they are detached is different yet they both still are. What about humanity's fear and the political angles in both movies. Strikingly similar or is that 'stretch' to?

Batman is detached.
Captain America is detached.
Black Widow is detached, Bruce Banner is detached, Detachment is not really that unique a characteristic.

And you can find similarities in the political angles in Wachmen, MoS, the X-men movies, Age of Ultron, all of the Hulk movies...the list goes on and on.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Every depiction of Batman on the big screen (outside of the Adam West one) has been pretty damn nonchalant when it comes to killing bad guys.

Exactly


People arguing what Batman is "supposed" to be when he supposedly is whatever the writer sees, wants and whatever entertains most people.

Batman has killed before and pretty apathetically (as well as Superman). I agree BvS was a lil over the top but it was supposed to be that way for him at that period of time, it was the obsessive give no fukks part of a Batman story... Especially to even make Superman consider him a threat to take out.

 

[David_TheMan]

Superman is nothing close to a god.
He is regular person on his world, on earth because of the sun he is suddenly a super powered man.
You look at his power and compare it to a GLC member and its pretty tame IMHO, if everything is written fairly a GLC member would be able to dominate Supes thoroughly.
Earth has 3 GLC members

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Batman is detached.
Captain America is detached.
Black Widow is detached, Bruce Banner is detached, Detachment is not really that unique a characteristic.

And you can find similarities in the political angles in Wachmen, MoS, the X-men movies, Age of Ultron, all of the Hulk movies...the list goes on and on.

Cool, why people are disagreeing is very head-scratching then.