PAYOLA is still alive and well in hip hop music

[Gentle Jones]

im gonna keep it real with you then, if you arent trying to make it, then keep your videos where they are and dont try to gain more exposure, exposure is what youre asking for if you are trying to get your shyt blogged. not trying to make it implies you put your work out, leave it where it is, and if people see it then they see it. its sort of an oxymoron to say "im not tryin to make it" then ask for publicity through other sites. you cant have it both ways friend.

i don't ask anybody for nothing. but i do send an email when i release a new track to announce it. emails are free.

 

[PewPew]

im gonna keep it real with you then, if you arent trying to make it, then keep your videos where they are and dont try to gain more exposure, exposure is what youre asking for if you are trying to get your shyt blogged. not trying to make it implies you put your work out, leave it where it is, and if people see it then they see it. its sort of an oxymoron to say "im not tryin to make it" then ask for publicity through other sites. you cant have it both ways friend.

 

[Gentle Jones]

like i said, i am quite happy making music and making friends. i have an actual job and that's where i make money. live your life and enjoy it to the fullest. just don't beat anybody over the head doing it.

 

[Why-Fi]

my nikka i bump "Sins" by you and my man lex every day man. youre a dope MC and there is no reason why you shouldnt be on my fukkin album street champions. whats it gonna take to get you on?

i know you arent good with deadlines, but i need you on this.

i appreciate that breh. thank you, check your pm

 

[Professor K.]

This thread is real af. As a 23 year old aspiring artist who has been doing shyt "on the scene" in Atlanta for like the past 2 years, I'm just now starting to learn how a lot of this shyt works. It's really sad to me as a "purist" to see what's really going on out here, but such is the reality of the situation.

 

[Jimmy ValenTime]

I see there is alot of back and forth going on here but ill just chime in for the sake of it.

I said it once and ill say it again, you have to know someone, sometimes spending money gets you nowhere as well if you dont forge a relationship with the individuals you are spending money with.
One thing i will say is blog posts in general provide very little exposure but it does give a sense of credibility. Ill give you an example, ive been in complez, 2 dope boyz, ego trip, byron crawford, unkut, grandgood, etcc etc, but it was less about getting numbers and more about solidifying a profile and some sort of familiarity. You have to more or less use these blog posts as a profile of who you are and turn that into something bigger,

I took those blog posts and used that to leverage MCs to show them "This is who i am, this is why you should work with me" and it worked. Thats how i built my team of about 6 core MCs. Also, for my next album on top of the kickstarter, i ABSOLUTELY used my relationships to contact managers and rappers directly to get HUGE discounts on verses. I have spent on my own money, 2000 on verses from various cats on my next album (ag da coroner, blaq poet etc) so that when my shyt for street champion drops, people will have NO CHOICE but to fukk with it. my name, plus their names, EVERYONE wins fukkin with me.

Sometimes if you arent hot, you need to get someone who is, do a song with them, put it out and give people a reason to fukk with you. People these days aint gonna fukk with you on general principle, so fukk it, give them a reason. I wear a fukking mask, i was homeless, im a dope fiend but i make good music, thats why epople fukk with me, because people can relate to all of the above (lmao)

Man, i did a fukking porn album, got a real pornstars to be on it, got some big titties on the cover, got her to help me promote it etc and people were interested in that. that bbw album was on over 13 blogs and not one of them i had to pay for coverage
did i buy advertising? ABSOLUTELY. I bought banners on kevin nottingham and unkut, i had to make sure people knew about it and i put some big ass titties to make sure you couldnt deny it (damn my baby kacey got some huge t*ts )

I then contacted @Walt to write a piece about me because i figured he would be able to personify a sense of story about me, in other words, I had something more than just music for you to believe in, i had fought through the worst life has to offer to get where I am at and it further got people to believe in my story and it personified my music even further.

i dont have 4,000 for vinyl, cds etc, so what did i do? a fukking kickstarter and i have a meeting with more donors today after securing 1k from another donor. it takes money to make money. and if youre serious about this shyt, youre going to spend money and if you dont have it, youll get it one way or another.

People fukk with me heavy now because of that, but even more than that, this all started because i am very close to writer robbie ettelson who is my friend, my brother and biggest champion of my work, but i forged that relationship years before i ever did anything relevant. You want blogs etc to fukk with you, you need to either

spend money
spend money on a feature who people care about
start meeting people
start your own site and post your material on there

dont whine about the love of music, man fukk all that, just make yourself hot, do something crazy, do something people relate to, have astory, do something different. Id like to think with all the views, posts and magazine articles about me, yall would wanna heed my word and listen to me.

am quoting you specially the relationships you establish and your talent has carried you to your position ... not pay person x to post song on their site, right?

 

[Cole Cash]

am quoting you specially the relationships you establish and your talent has carried you to your position ... not pay person x to post song on their site, right?

It's a combination of talent relationships and money. All 3 buddy cuz I spent money on advertising as well which lead to my album being successful I also did my own personal press rollout. I forced the issue and I went through people I knew but yes I also used money for ads without a doubt

 

[Gentle Jones]

It's a combination of talent relationships and money. All 3 buddy cuz I spent money on advertising as well which lead to my album being successful I also did my own personal press rollout. I forced the issue and I went through people I knew but yes I also used money for ads without a doubt

buying ads is legitimate and very far away from sending 20 bucks to a random bloggers paypal. you got to weigh the value. i am all for supporting people who support you. but fukk people who are just juicing artists they don't care for, that is unsavory.

 

[Jimmy ValenTime]

It's a combination of talent relationships and money. All 3 buddy cuz I spent money on advertising as well which lead to my album being successful I also did my own personal press rollout. I forced the issue and I went through people I knew but yes I also used money for ads without a doubt

i did ads for my album to through complex media ... buts am cool with because that's you and the audience know what its is .. an that was after i establish a relationship with everybody ....

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I don't mind payola at this level as they are tryna eat and keep their blogs alive... They tryna get paid like u are

But then whats the point of the blog, if all its gonna do is recommend whoever pays em? shyt's basically spam/advertising at that point.

 

[Cole Cash]

buying ads is legitimate and very far away from sending 20 bucks to a random bloggers paypal. you got to weigh the value. i am all for supporting people who support you. but fukk people who are just juicing artists they don't care for, that is unsavory.

I ain't paying nobody nothing to put on my songs because I don't feel I should have to, but I don't blame blogs who do because it's a hustle and if they don't someone else will but the places who put up my stuff stand by it I ain't never paid to be nowhere.

 

[Gentle Jones]

I ain't paying nobody nothing to put on my songs because I don't feel I should have to, but I don't blame blogs who do because it's a hustle and if they don't someone else will but the places who put up my stuff stand by it I ain't never paid to be nowhere.

you bought ads. same thing. if you are really spending money you should holler at wendy day and let her get you a big boy package. if you're spending, you're spending. spend wisely. i don't spend because i don't gamble like that, i'm a cheapskate. the internet is free.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

yeah me and nash are from the same city: wilmington, delaware. as you can see he asked me for way more than anyone else in the entire world

@NerdNash, you ain't shyt.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

you bought ads. same thing. if you are really spending money you should holler at wendy day and let her get you a big boy package. if you're spending, you're spending. spend wisely. i don't spend because i don't gamble like that, i'm a cheapskate. the internet is free.

Reviews and ads aren't supposed to be the same thing. They need to be upfront and honest that they have ad rates, and submitting a video is the equivalent of placing an ad. Anything else is dishonest, on a video game reviewer type tip.

Almando McFadden is on some ol bullshyt by requesting 'donations' like a whore. He ain't fooling nobody.

 

[Trajan]

It's why legendary music label bosses like Master P would hire a call center to do nothing but call a radio station and request his music. Yea he didnt pay for the music to be played but he paid for something.

Yo that's genius.


That hustla spirit