PART TWO: Are '90s Rappers Held To A Lower Standard As Artists?

[Wacky D]

It just seems like u having a hard time accepting that the 90s was just an overall better decade for hip hop all around. I don't see why tho cause it's simple enough to just appreciate all of it.

I never said that the '90s wasn't overall better than the 2000s.

 

[Wacky D]

Informer was not in rotation on the radio in NYC. Had it not been for The Box( the video request channel) I would have never heard it. There's tons of songs that were hits nationally that wasn't in rotation in NYC. Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Paperboy, Skeelo, Tone Loc, Young MC, etc were not in heavy rotation in the mecca of Hip Hop.

yea, I don't remember informer getting any play on the radio in philly either. same with most of the other artists you just mentioned.

thing is, theyre arguing over 2 separate things. east coast wasn't really playing the pop rappers on urban radio. BUT I'm sure they were getting play on the top 100 stations in these cities. i rarely listened to top 100 radio tho, so i mainly know these artists from TV. and it looks like that's what @kingofnyc is saying.

I think that's where the argument stems from.
@OnlyInCalifornia is saying that its no way informer didn't get play in NYC.
I think I'm the only one that noticed @kingofnyc at one point in the middle of the argument, said that it probably did get play. just not on WBLS or KISS or whatever the urban stations were in new York. it would've helped if he said that more than once tho. cuz I'm sure most people didn't catch it.

 

[Wacky D]

but that's not what this thread is about.

theres gonna be fluke artists in every era, but this thread is about the emcees.
and yes, @OnlyInCalifornia is correct on the overall. less was required by '90s rappers.

besides, I'm not complaining either way. i love to see people arguing to the death.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

yea, I don't remember informer getting any play on the radio in philly either. same with most of the other artists you just mentioned.

thing is, theyre arguing over 2 separate things. east coast wasn't really playing the pop rappers on urban radio. BUT I'm sure they were getting play on the top 100 stations in these cities. i rarely listened to top 100 radio tho, so i mainly know these artists from TV. and it looks like that's what @kingofnyc is saying.

I think that's where the argument stems from.
@OnlyInCalifornia is saying that its no way informer didn't get play in NYC.
I think I'm the only one that noticed @kingofnyc at one point in the middle of the argument, said that it probably did get play. just not on WBLS or KISS or whatever the urban stations were in new York. it would've helped if he said that more than once tho. cuz I'm sure most people didn't catch it.

Fair enough.

Now back to your topic, my bad for derailing a bit...I still do believe that the Internet leveled the playing field a bit and that the 2000s rappers had to do more to stand out. Now that wasn't always the better music but certainly it was MORE music. They had to work a few more lanes. They had to adapt more.

 

[HustlerOfVirginiA]

They are but you'll never be able to convince the coli, history gets rewritten here

 

[Mike Ock]

we aint talking bout that song
that shyt came out years later

Oh

 

[Wacky D]

There were less hooks because the verse WAS the hook. nikkas recited the whole verse

2000s artists changed because the game was switched up by the people who own the music business + media, and artists were forced to adjust. It was a mechanical adjustment. Just like in 2016 artists incorporate random fukkery into soulful shyt so they don't lose peoples attention or get called "corny"


It's like saying 90's basketball players were less skilled cause they had less foul rules to finesse their way around

are you saying that we stopped reciting whole verses in the 2000s??

and youre basically agreeing with me thru the rest of your post.

a lot of your favorite '90s cuts would be relegated to mixtapes in the 2000s. and shoot, a lot of your favorite '90s albums would be mixtapes.

 

[kingofnyc]

yea, I don't remember informer getting any play on the radio in philly either. same with most of the other artists you just mentioned.

thing is, theyre arguing over 2 separate things. east coast wasn't really playing the pop rappers on urban radio. BUT I'm sure they were getting play on the top 100 stations in these cities. i rarely listened to top 100 radio tho, so i mainly know these artists from TV. and it looks like that's what @kingofnyc is saying.

I think that's where the argument stems from.
@OnlyInCalifornia is saying that its no way informer didn't get play in NYC.
I think I'm the only one that noticed @kingofnyc at one point in the middle of the argument, said that it probably did get play. just not on WBLS or KISS or whatever the urban stations were in new York. it would've helped if he said that more than once tho. cuz I'm sure most people didn't catch it.

for the record
•I just need to say my very first response to dude I clearly stated no play on (urban stations) based off him saying this was the number 1 song in the country for 7 weeks inna row in the category of hip hop/R&B
•his reply, stated it was for sure played on urban stations in New York City
... which after posters like urself & otherz co-signing me, i hope he retracts & admits he was wrong



but anywayz
we can move onto to the topic of ur thread
I still don't understand the premises of it - if anything by the mid 90's the standard of rappers was at an all time high which is the furthest from ur title

 

[Wacky D]

but anywayz
we can move onto to the topic of ur thread
I still don't understand the premises of it - if anything by the mid 90's the standard of rappers was at an all time high which is the furthest from ur title

in the mid-90s, dudes like jeru da damaja & common sense were considered super nice.

they'd get slayed by young buls f*ckin around in a 2000s high school cafeteria cypher.

 

[kingofnyc]

in the mid-90s, dudes like jeru da damaja & common sense were considered super nice.

they'd get slayed by young buls f*ckin around in a 2000s high school cafeteria cypher.

at super nice

common....YES
jeru............NO

with that said jeru >>> 50, jezzy, TI, ja rule, luda, nelly, kanye, ross, camron, slim thug

an average 90's nikka was a better MC than like 10 of the top 00's rappers

 

[Wacky D]

at super nice

common....YES
jeru............NO

with that said jeru >>> 50, jezzy, TI, ja rule, luda, nelly, kanye, ross, camron, slim thug

an average 90's nikka was a better MC than like 10 of the top 00's rappers

Camron would destroy jeru in the '00s and especially COC cam in the '90s.

artist-wise; i'd take the majority of this list over jeru & common.

 

[SuburbanPimp]

Lol, Jeru and Common????

Neither one of them are a top 20 rapper of the 90's in my opinion. They were considered good rappers but not in the top tier...

 

[kingofnyc]

Camron would destroy jeru in the '00s and especially COC cam in the '90s.

at elementary rhymes destroying a prophet
and I'm not even a jeru fan like dat

artist-wise; i'd take the majority of this list over jeru & common.

ur thread is NOT about artist-wise
its about MC/spitters... none if dem nikkaz I listed can spit better than jeru
and again I'm not even a jeru fan like dat

 

[Wacky D]

@kingofnyc

cam would destroy common too.

nah. last thread was about the spitters. that's where this argument belongs.

this thread is about '90s rappers being held to lower standards. and nah, I'm not even saying that they generally aren't better artists than '00s rappers.

 

[kingofnyc]

@kingofnyc

cam would destroy common too.

nah. last thread was about the spitters. that's where this argument belongs.

this thread is about '90s rappers being held to lower standards. and nah, I'm not even saying that they generally aren't better artists than '00s rappers.

oh yeah - my bad for confusing part 1 & 2 up

this one is about standards
which completely doesn't make any sense
when by the mid 00's it was widely acknowledge hip hop was dead



how do u have high standards when a large percentage of the fans thinks your product ran its course