PART TWO: Are '90s Rappers Held To A Lower Standard As Artists?

[OnlyInCalifornia]

breh - im telling u nyc is different from da rest of the country

we dont have to follow the billboard top 10 charts - its over 8.5 million in the NYC metropolitan area
(if the city not feeling it ... ita gets no play)


STILL u dont believe me????
see 49:15 to 49:45 marks
confirms what i been saying all this time

Stop dancing around it, how old were you in 1992? We are not going to play a what if game.

The very fact that you say 'if the city not feeling it, it gets no play' then turn around and act like a song went #1 on Billboard for 7 weeks and was 10 on the R&B/HIP HOP charts got NO PLAY in NYC is just absurd, on many levels. You are contradicting yourself

 

[kingofnyc]

Stop dancing around it, how old were you in 1992? We are not going to play a what if game.

The very fact that you say 'if the city not feeling it, it gets no play' then turn around and act like a song went #1 on Billboard for 7 weeks and was 10 on the R&B/HIP HOP charts got NO PLAY in NYC is just absurd, on many levels. You are contradicting yourself

breh
da hell u talking bout - what's contradicting???
i think i was 17 or 18 back then

did u even watch da link
mac 10 clearly states westside connection song bow down was the number 1 song in da country (they showed the ranking in all the major cities when it came to nyc it didnt make the list)


i just dont understand - WHAT da hell is da point !!!

 

[Renegade47]

What do you mean "next level hooks"? No, because the 90s also had great hooks. There are an endless number of hooks from the 90s that are great... timeless at that.

 

[Mike Ock]

snow wasnt even a rapper
he was a Canadian reggae singer

BTW
his shyt wasnt played on urban radio nor da in streetz in NYC

Yeah it was. Everyone loved the "Anything" remix too. It def got play in NYC.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

breh
da hell u talking bout - what's contradicting???
i think i was 17 or 18 back then

did u even watch da link
mac 10 clearly states westside connection song bow down was the number 1 song in da country (they showed the ranking in all the major cities when it came to nyc it didnt make the list)


i just dont understand - WHAT da hell is da point !!!

Breh. That song was NEVER #1. It did well on the Hip Hop charts but it was not the #1 record in the country for 7 straight weeks. You seem to be missing that part. That means it is the most popular record out of ALL GENRES and being that NYC is the biggest metro area in the country, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a song to go #1 and not get any spins in NYC PERIOD.

LOL @ using a song that is dissing the Eastcoast as a prime example of a song doing well on the R&B/HipHop charts but not doing well in NYC

Let me guess, New York New York by the Dogg Pound wasn't a big record either

 

[kingofnyc]

Yeah it was. Everyone loved the "Anything" remix too. It def got play in NYC.

we aint talking bout that song
that shyt came out years later

 

[KravenMorehead™]

There were less hooks because the verse WAS the hook. nikkas recited the whole verse

2000s artists changed because the game was switched up by the people who own the music business + media, and artists were forced to adjust. It was a mechanical adjustment. Just like in 2016 artists incorporate random fukkery into soulful shyt so they don't lose peoples attention or get called "corny"


It's like saying 90's basketball players were less skilled cause they had less foul rules to finesse their way around

 

[kingofnyc]

Breh. That song was NEVER #1. It did well on the Hip Hop charts but it was not the #1 record in the country for 7 straight weeks. You seem to be missing that part. That means it is the most popular record out of ALL GENRES and being that NYC is the biggest metro area in the country, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a song to go #1 and not get any spins in NYC PERIOD.

LOL @ using a song that is dissing the Eastcoast as a prime example of a song doing well on the R&B/HipHop charts but not doing well in NYC

Let me guess, New York New York by the Dogg Pound wasn't a big record either

breh

maybe it was played on Z100 or the pop stations in nyc back then

i wouldnt know cause i never ever ever listened to pop station in my life

But i can tell u on the urban station at the time
again... hot9 hadnt converted yet
KISS & WBLS were the only urban stations in da city

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

breh

maybe it was played on Z100 or the pop stations in nyc back then

i wouldnt know cause i never ever ever listened to pop station in my life

But i can tell u on the urban station at the time
again... hot9 hadnt converted yet
KISS & WBLS were the only urban stations in da city

Hot97 was an r&b station yes? Informer was top 10 on the R&B/HipHop Charts....

You are fukking up ol boys thread though. Whether you think Informer was played or not doesn't change the fact that SNOW wouldn't have been able to get on in the 2000s and wouldn't have got spins because the white boy rapper/reggae guy gimmick wouldn't have worked. He would have needed a lot of content, not just one song, to go #1. You needed multiple mixtapes and songs. That's the point trying to be made here.....now whether any of us agree with that point is what we should focus in on.

Wacky D and I don't even get along but he's trying to spark conversations on Hip Hop so I am going to stick that.

 

[kingofnyc]

Hot97 was an r&b station yes? Informer was top 10 on the R&B/HipHop Charts....

You are fukking up ol boys thread though. Whether you think Informer was played or not doesn't change the fact that SNOW wouldn't have been able to get on in the 2000s and wouldn't have got spins because the white boy rapper/reggae guy gimmick wouldn't have worked. He would have needed a lot of content, not just one song, to go #1. You needed multiple mixtapes and songs. That's the point trying to be made here.....now whether any of us agree with that point is what we should focus in on.

Wacky D and I don't even get along but he's trying to spark conversations on Hip Hop so I am going to stick that.

no
HOT97 was of Spanish, freestyle, dance station before they converted to strictly hip-hop



how am I the one that's fukking up his thread when you're the one who brought up snow


your whole analogy with snow & his single imformer being No.1 in country for several weeks is extremely flawed
1. u used a reggae artist which was has nothing to with hip hop
2. black people didn't fukkz with that shyt- im part west indian (note: reggae/dancehall etc never been my thing) but i fukkz with plenty of my Caribbean brehern and for the record snow was basically their interpretation of our (hip hop headz) vanilla ice
3. and finally yes his shyt was a gimmick but what does that have to do with this thread the 2000s were filled with gimmick raps just like every other era previously and thereafter I mean shyt you going to act like every several weeks there wasn't a new fukking cornball dance/song that came out

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

no
HOT97 was of Spanish, freestyle, dance station before they converted to strictly hip-hop



how am I the one that's fukking up his thread when you're the one who brought up snow

Because Snow was brought up in the context of the discussion. You are the one who took it to arguing if a #1 song in the country ever got spins in New York City, which again, is IMPOSSIBLE. You cannot get 0 spins in the biggest city in the country and go #1. End of story.

your whole analogy with snow & his single imformer being No.1 in country for several weeks is extremely flawed
1. u used a reggae artist which was has nothing to with hip hop
2. black people didn't fukkz with that shyt- im part west indian

(note: reggae/dancehall etc never been my thing) but i fukkz with plenty of my Caribbean brehern and for the record snow was basically their interpretation of our (hip hop headz) vanilla ice
3. and finally yes his shyt was a gimmick but what does that have to do with this thread the 2000s were filled with gimmick raps just like every other era previously and thereafter I mean shyt you going to act like every several weeks there wasn't a new fukking cornball dance/song that came out

x 100

1. He wasn't a Reggae artist here and the song, it charted on MAINSTREAM and HIPHOP/R&B Charts....just like Hotling Bling is NOT an R&B song, yet it say at the top of those charts FOREVER.
2. That's great, you and your 5 friends are not the baseline for the record or it popularity.
3. Because even gimmick rappers in the 2000s needed to have multiple mixtapes, freestyles on DVDs, putting out videos and songs CONSTANTLY, overall just more work than the average artist in the 90s. You couldn't go 2 years with out putting out music/an album in the 2000s like you could in the 90s.

 

[kingofnyc]

Because Snow was brought up in the context of the discussion. You are the one who took it to arguing if a #1 song in the country ever got spins in New York City, which again, is IMPOSSIBLE. You cannot get 0 spins in the biggest city in the country and go #1. End of story.


x 100

1. He wasn't a Reggae artist here and the song, it charted on MAINSTREAM and HIPHOP/R&B Charts....just like Hotling Bling is NOT an R&B song, yet it say at the top of those charts FOREVER.
2. That's great, you and your 5 friends are not the baseline for the record or it popularity.
3. Because even gimmick rappers in the 2000s needed to have multiple mixtapes, freestyles on DVDs, putting out videos and songs CONSTANTLY, overall just more work than the average artist in the 90s. You couldn't go 2 years with out putting out music/an album in the 2000s like you could in the 90s.

breh

are we speaking the same language?
are we living on the same planet?
what da hell is going on here ???????
-------
u brought up snow - (how in da world .... u think a white canadian reggae artist -is a good analogy- to black americans hip hop artists is MINDBLOWING)
i simply stated the facts he didnt get play on urban radio regardless if he had the number 1 single or not
the key word is (((urban))) im not concern with that white mainstream shyt

1. he's NOT hip hop -again i dont care what the mainstream music community labels him ... its just like every R&B star that ge into trouble automacticlly becames a rapper
see R kelly
see chris brown
2. its nyc - so take that 5 freinds & multiply it by 100
3. so u telling me DL4, franchise boyz, soldier bio, who da fukk ever made stanky leg, chicken noodle soup, da dougie etc....etc.... made a bunch of mixtapes/freestlyes/DVD's before these gimmicks bullshyt songs blew up

 

[shopthatwrecks]

early 90s...they were held to a low standard as artist

when i read the title of this thread..this popped up in my head

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

breh

are we speaking the same language?
are we living on the same planet?
what da hell is going on here ???????
-------
u brought up snow - (how in da world .... u think a white canadian reggae artist -is a good analogy- to black americans hip hop artists is MINDBLOWING)
i simply stated the facts he didnt get play on urban radio regardless if he had the number 1 single or not
the key word is (((urban))) im not concern with that white mainstream shyt

1. he's NOT hip hop -again i dont care what the mainstream music community labels him ... its just like every R&B star that ge into trouble automacticlly becames a rapper
see R kelly
see chris brown
2. its nyc - so take that 5 freinds & multiply it by 100
3. so u telling me DL4, franchise boyz, soldier bio, who da fukk ever made stanky leg, chicken noodle soup, da dougie etc....etc.... made a bunch of mixtapes/freestlyes/DVD's before these gimmicks bullshyt songs blew up

The fact you are too dense to understand a simple point, that even a crappy gimmicky rapper like Snow could have a #1 record and sit in the top 10 of HIP HOP CHARTS in the 90s, says a lot about you.

Ill never understand why posters have such a hard time staying in context of the topic at hand. Wacky D is saying the 90s had a lower point of entry, I provided an example of someone who benefitted from the lower point of entry. Pretty fukking simple.

That NYC public education system tho....

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Hot97 was an r&b station yes? Informer was top 10 on the R&B/HipHop Charts....

You are fukking up ol boys thread though. Whether you think Informer was played or not doesn't change the fact that SNOW wouldn't have been able to get on in the 2000s and wouldn't have got spins because the white boy rapper/reggae guy gimmick wouldn't have worked. He would have needed a lot of content, not just one song, to go #1. You needed multiple mixtapes and songs. That's the point trying to be made here.....now whether any of us agree with that point is what we should focus in on.

Wacky D and I don't even get along but he's trying to spark conversations on Hip Hop so I am going to stick that.

snow would have got spins in 2000