OutKast v Tribe Called Quest Verzuz Coming Soon?!

[BmoreGorilla]

And this the big difference between Kast and Arrested is Arrested didn't get Hip Hop coverage. I don't think they got a Source cover or rating in that magazine. I'm not even sure if Vibe covered them and they covered R&B and other genres as well. This group sold 4 million records and got Grammys and topped critic polls in 1992 for their debut. Yet, they were neglected by Hip Hop. You can't say them same for Kast.

And the most telling difference is this:



The Source |Record Report: Outkast's 'Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik' Review, July 1994

^^^ excerpt from the 4.5 mic review of Kast's debut. But youngot people in here running with the narrative that "if you really liked Arrested Development, then you really liked OutKast".

Like I said earlier they were all Native Tongues babies. If you were a hip hop fan and liked AD or Kast it was becuz you liked Tribe and De La etc. You can even put that whole neo soul sound under that umbrella. It was the same sensibilities

 

[JustCKing]

Like I said earlier they were all Native Tongues babies. If you were a hip hop fan and liked AD or Kast it was becuz you liked Tribe and De La etc. You can even put that whole neo soul sound under that umbrella. It was the same sensibilities

That article was written by someone who obviously liked Kast music, but disliked Arrested.

There are A LOT of people who don't like De La Soul or Tribe, but love Kast.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

That article was written by someone who obviously liked Kast music, but disliked Arrested.

There are A LOT of people who don't like De La Soul or Tribe, but love Kast.

I liked Kast but and I wasn’t really an AD fan but Tennessee and Everyday People are classics. Just becuz you liked one doesn’t mean you liked the other. But more than likely if your were a fan of hip hop and liked AD than you liked Kast even more. I don’t think that’s really a stretch

And you might be right with your last point but I have yet to meet someone who liked Kast but not De La or Tribe. If that was the case they prolly weren’t big hip hop fans to begin with. But there are exceptions

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

And this the big difference between Kast and Arrested is Arrested didn't get Hip Hop coverage. I don't think they got a Source cover or rating in that magazine. I'm not even sure if Vibe covered them and they covered R&B and other genres as well. This group sold 4 million records and got Grammys and topped critic polls in 1992 for their debut. Yet, they were neglected by Hip Hop. You can't say them same for Kast.

And the most telling difference is this:
The Source |Record Report: Outkast's 'Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik' Review, July 1994
^^^ excerpt from the 4.5 mic review of Kast's debut. But youngot people in here running with the narrative that "if you really liked Arrested Development, then you really liked OutKast".

why do you keep dwelling on this rippity-rap chit?? even after i repeatedly told you to think outside of your little rap bubble.

you just dont get IT. and youre not even trying to. SMH. stop wasting my time.

funny thing is, outkast fans always brag about them being transcendant outside of just hip-hop. alot of people are talking that stuff in this very thread. but i see yall only bring it up when its convenient.
you want it to be only one way. i see you.

aint nothing wrong with inheriting that fanbase. you just dont want to acknowledge it because you want to pretend that they did numbers on some str8 hip-hop chit. thats what it really is. cuz i refuse to believe that youre legitimately this dam dumb.

Where in that post did I say Kast didn't connect with those fans? I was stating that that is the point you were trying to make by using this bogus AD narrative. That point could be made without ever mentioning AD. Your mention of AD and mentioning Kast fans that exist outside of Hip Hop is your way of devaluing and discrediting the group.

Even when Kast was selling most of their records, there was nothing of AD in their style.

When OutKast came out, they sounded nor looked anything like Tribe. Arrested was a closer relative. Kast had more of a West Coast flavor to their style when they came out. It was more of a Souls of Mischief meets Pharcyde vibe to their flow and style meets G Funk production with a Southern twang to it. After Southernplayalistic, their sound became more Southern, earthy, and spacey.

funny how you completely ignored the posts where i listed their similarities and similar appeal.

youre gonna think what you want. thats why you always fall out the loop in every topic.

have fun. i dont have time for this silly chit.

 

[JustCKing]

why do you keep dwelling on this rippity-rap chit?? even after i repeatedly told you to think outside of your little rap bubble.

you just dont get IT. and youre not even trying to. SMH. stop wasting my time.

funny thing is, outkast fans always brag about them being transcendant outside of just hip-hop. alot of people are talking that stuff in this very thread. but i see yall only bring it up when its convenient.
you want it to be only one way. i see you.

aint nothing wrong with inheriting that fanbase. you just dont want to acknowledge it because you want to pretend that they did numbers on some str8 hip-hop chit. thats what it really is. cuz i refuse to believe that youre legitimately this dam dumb.

I am not dwelling on anything. This is thinking outside of the box. Why? I am giving you an objective perspective of how both Arrested and Kast were viewed.

You lost the right to whine about wasting your time when you introduced this stupid narrative into this thread and tagged me in that post.

OutKast is trancendent outside of Hip Hop because of the reach of their music. Nothing wrong with that. Just as much as they were influenced by Native Tongues and NWA, they were as much influenced by Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Earth Wind & Fire, Parliament, and Funkadelic

funny how you completely ignored the posts where i listed their similarities and similar appeal.

youre gonna think what you want. thats why you always fall out the loop in every topic.

have fun. i dont have time for this silly chit.

You didn't list similarities. You have NEVER listed how the music is similar and always run from the musical aspects of a discussion.

 

[JustCKing]

I liked Kast but and I wasn’t really an AD fan but Tennessee and Everyday People are classics. Just becuz you liked one doesn’t mean you liked the other. But more than likely if your were a fan of hip hop and liked AD than you liked Kast even more. I don’t think that’s really a stretch

And you might be right with your last point but I have yet to meet someone who liked Kast but not De La or Tribe. If that was the case they prolly weren’t big hip hop fans to begin with. But there are exceptions

So you're pretty much contradicting your point about if you really liked AD then you really liked Kast. Huge difference between liking two songs by one group and liking the group. So yes, saying if you were a Hip Hop fan who liked AD then you liked Kast is a stretch given that AD was a group that was kind of shunned by Hip Hop.

OutKast was never as alternative as De La Soul or Tribe. There's a lot of Southern Hip Hop fans that never got into either of those groups that love Kast. There are Hip Hop fans in general that weren't fans of De La or Tribe.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I am not dwelling on anything. This is thinking outside of the box. Why? I am giving you an objective perspective of how both Arrested and Kast were viewed.

PLEASE use your brain.

OutKast is trancendent outside of Hip Hop because of the reach of their music. Nothing wrong with that. Just as much as they were influenced by Native Tongues and NWA, they were as much influenced by Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Earth Wind & Fire, Parliament, and Funkadelic

you do realize that you just described arrested development, right??

is anything clicking in your head yet??

You didn't list similarities. You have NEVER listed how the music is similar and always run from the musical aspects of a discussion.

i did all of this a page or two ago, dummy.

but thats cool. im done.

 

[JustCKing]

PLEASE use your brain.

Maybe you should use yours instead of creating hokey narratives.

you do realize that you just described arrested development, right??

is anything clicking in your head yet??

No, I didn't. You do realize that those same artists influenced Dr. Dre when he created The Chronic and he and that album are transcendent.

i did all of this a page or two ago, dummy.

but thats cool. im done.

No you didn't. All you did was list a whole bunch of mumbo jumbo that had nothing to do with music.

 

[Asicz]

If the audience was just only black people Outkast wins


Bombs over Baghdad unbeatable
Commercial hits like Sorry Miss Jackson
Me and you unbeatable
Players Ball unbeatable
Hey Ya unbeatable
I like the way unbeatable


Tribe has alot of East Coast fans old heads and white fans
Tribe may be the most loved Rap group by white people besides Wu

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

If the audience was just only black people Outkast wins


Bombs over Baghdad unbeatable
Commercial hits like Sorry Miss Jackson
Me and you unbeatable
Players Ball unbeatable
Hey Ya unbeatable
I like the way unbeatable

Tribe has alot of East Coast fans old heads and white fans
Tribe may be the most loved Rap group by white people besides Wu

when did outkast become this renegade hood group??

sorry to break it to yall but outkast is just as much of a white-favorite as tribe, wutang, beastie boys, cypress hill, etc.
in fact, i think outkast tops them all in terms of white fandom.

outkast doesnt have any "unbeatable" hits with black people. they have a dope catalog of hits, but they never hit the level that youre talking.
and it certainly wouldnt be "hey ya" or "bombs over baghdad".

tribe has more cultural homeruns than outkast actually. just like @Deacon Frye said earlier.

 

[JustCKing]

when did outkast become this renegade hood group??

sorry to break it to yall but outkast is just as much of a white-favorite as tribe, wutang, beastie boys, cypress hill, etc.
in fact, i think outkast tops them all in terms of white fandom.

outkast doesnt have any "unbeatable" hits with black people. they have a dope catalog of hits, but they never hit the level that youre talking.
and it certainly wouldnt be "hey ya" or "bombs over baghdad".

tribe has more cultural homeruns than outkast actually. just like @Deacon Frye said earlier.

This the whole disconnect with you: Black =/= hood. The hood is one aspect of the Black community and if you are equating the Black community to one group even within Hip Hop as the only group that matters,, then you aren't ready to have any convo as it relates to Black people. Even the hood is more diverse musically than you are trying to make it.

Kast doesn't top a lot of the groups in white fandom because even at their most commercial, they still had joints that were hits with us. "The Way You Move" is a Black record. That's classic wedding reception, summer barbecue record. "Hey Ya" is the only record that is more them than it is us. Kast has several songs that are cultural homeruns.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

This the whole disconnect with you: Black =/= hood. The hood is one aspect of the Black community and if you are equating the Black community to one group even within Hip Hop as the only group that matters,, then you aren't ready to have any convo as it relates to Black people. Even the hood is more diverse musically than you are trying to make it.

Kast doesn't top a lot of the groups in white fandom because even at their most commercial, they still had joints that were hits with us. "The Way You Move" is a Black record. That's classic wedding reception, summer barbecue record. "Hey Ya" is the only record that is more them than it is us. Kast has several songs that are cultural homeruns.

stay out of my conversations stan.

i didnt mentioned "the way you move"
i mentioned "hey ya" and "bombs over baghdad", two songs that you had no response for. and you admittedly had no response for "hey ya", so what are you arguing with me about??

CLEARLY, im the one in here stating that theres more to black people than just the hood or even hip-hop - hence, the whole thing about arrested development -which you dont want to hear.
AGAIN, you only want to acknowledge the full picture when its convenient. you just want it to be one way. another prime example of what ive been saying about you.

and again, stay out of my conversation. i made that "hood" comment because of the way he was trying to paint the two groups.
clearly, this battle isnt gonna have the hood on smash.

but keep in mind, theres a difference between hip-hop culture and black culture. you indirectly pointed that out earlier in regards to arrested development, not realizing that the same applies to alot of outkast's chit. you just want it to be one way.

 

[JustCKing]

stay out of my conversations stan.

i didnt mentioned "the way you move"
i mentioned "hey ya" and "bombs over baghdad", two songs that you had no response for. and you admittedly had no response for "hey ya", so what are you arguing with me about??

CLEARLY, im the one in here stating that theres more to black people than just the hood or even hip-hop - hence, the whole thing about arrested development -which you dont want to hear.
AGAIN, you only want to acknowledge the full picture when its convenient. you just want it to be one way. another prime example of what ive been saying about you.

and again, stay out of my conversation. i made that "hood" comment because of the way he was trying to paint the two groups.
clearly, this battle isnt gonna have the hood on smash.

but keep in mind, theres a difference between hip-hop culture and black culture. you indirectly pointed that out earlier in regards to arrested development, not realizing that the same applies to alot of outkast's chit. you just want it to be one way.

Anything posted is open for discussion.

I had responses for both songs. I already stated that "Hey Ya" would be irrelevant in this battle. Why are you still mentioning this song? "B.O.B." has more reach than you think. I mentioned "The Way You Move" because you said:

outkast doesnt have any "unbeatable" hits with black people

I see you dodged that one.

No you're not stating that there's more to Black people than just the hood. You're attempting to make it seem as if Kast didn't make music that was a hit with every sector of the Black community. Arrested Development didn't and there's the disconnect, which is why it is completely an uninformed, misguided, and ultimately dumb narrative to make it seem as if Kast inherited their fan base, when the group was nearly irrelevant to the soundscape of Hip Hop.

Hip Hop is a part of Black culture.

 

[JustCKing]

when did outkast become this renegade hood group??

Well, if you knew what an outcast was, you'd already have the answer to this question.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Anything posted is open for discussion.

I had responses for both songs. I already stated that "Hey Ya" would be irrelevant in this battle. Why are you still mentioning this song? "B.O.B." has more reach than you think. I mentioned "The Way You Move" because you said:



I see you dodged that one.

No you're not stating that there's more to Black people than just the hood. You're attempting to make it seem as if Kast didn't make music that was a hit with every sector of the Black community. Arrested Development didn't and there's the disconnect, which is why it is completely an uninformed, misguided, and ultimately dumb narrative to make it seem as if Kast inherited their fan base, when the group was nearly irrelevant to the soundscape of Hip Hop.

Hip Hop is a part of Black culture.

i never said arrested development hit in every sector, im saying that outkast hit in arrested's sector and inherited their base. i never said that was outkast's only base. i dont know what part of that you dont understand. its not rocket science. i cant tell if youre playing stupid out of convenience or if this is really how your brain operates.

"the way you move" is not unbeatable. nowhere near. LOL. i dont know what that has to do with the narrative you were trying to push tho. you keep combining different comments of mines and trying to jumble them up into some other chit. but yea, they dont have anything on the level of unbeatable status. the closest would be ms jackson.

so youre open to discussing posts that arent directed towards you, but you'll ignore the posts that are directed towards you when convenient.
youre on ignore in this thread from here on out until you go back and acknowledge that.

Well, if you knew what an outcast was, you'd already have the answer to this question.

youre stanning way too hard.

this chit aint healthy.