Older heads what was the preception of the 2000s era NBA?

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The irony is a lot of new boomers now love that era of the NBA and hate the new era. Same mindset of only liking what they liked when they were younger and not understanding the world changes and evolves.
The only reason they do that is because they now associate the 2000s with the ‘90s, the era that they love the most.

The 2010s will eventually receive the same nostalgia boost as every other era and the cycle will continue. You’re already starting to see it now.

And FTR, the REAL golden age of the NBA was 2008-2016. :wow:
 

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What's crazy to me is yall can list all those reasons - and then complain why David Stern worked so hard to eradicate it.

How yall are describing how white people saw it in the 00s is how how the league was seen in the early 80s too. Stern got lucky he got Magic, Bird and then later Jordan to change the image of the NBA.

Then as the last part of that trio retired for the final time, he saw the image starting to go back to how it was pre those 3 and obviously had to intervene otherwise all that work was a waste. His biggest new stars at that time were Kobe who was public enemy #1 due to the rape charges, AI who was fighting the media, Vince who was fighting the city he was playing in and McGrady who was fighting for a lottery team in Orlando. All this after his first group of torch carriers in Penny and GHill failed due to injuries.

What the fvxk did yall expect?
 

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i remember racist people in the media and all across America openly cheering against team USA during the basketball tournament in the 2004 summer Olympics. Even the super patriotic cacs were hoping for the demise of the Iverson-led USA team.
 

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What's crazy to me is yall can list all those reasons - and then complain why David Stern worked so hard to eradicate it.

How yall are describing how white people saw it in the 00s is how how the league was seen in the early 80s too. Stern got lucky he got Magic, Bird and then later Jordan to change the image of the NBA.

Then as the last part of that trio retired for the final time, he saw the image starting to go back to how it was pre those 3 and obviously had to intervene otherwise all that work was a waste. His biggest new stars at that time were Kobe who was public enemy #1 due to the rape charges, AI who was fighting the media, Vince who was fighting the city he was playing in and McGrady who was fighting for a lottery team in Orlando. All this after his first group of torch carriers in Penny and GHill failed due to injuries.

What the fvxk did yall expect?
The problem is not the nba or basketball it’s the racist cacs. As In every aspect of American Life, racist cacs have to be catered to. Unfortunately stern worked hard to appeal to them and appease them.

That’s why we got the dress code, euro ball , changing rules to allow more offense etc
 
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this is exactly the answer
2000s were pretty good to amazing

people hated when Kobe and Shaq dominated .... the media used them against eachother to fukk up what they had
almost every team had some wild ass dude who would make the games interesting
teams were diverse and different all around
competitiveness was still a thing and teams hated eachother

Kobe's era was very flashy and ruthless... every team wanted to destroy or embarass the others to a point where the star would have to leave
I think T-Mac is a perfect example of this too... with how amazing T-mac was ... nikkas were at his neck regardless
you know secretly when Brandon Roy went out ... nikkas were like :takedat: ... Shaq was still trying to physically hurt other big men to prove a point.

Nash and Dirk were trying to make a name in Dallas by abusing cats. Spurs were a force and rotating great defensive players around the big 3 they had. Standout teams like Wizards and GS at the time had legs and athleticism to run you out the gym if you didnt put them away. You still had Stephon Marbury etc

low score was cool with me... I wanna see nikkas get hard buckets and work for theirs. No spacing and wide open YMCA jumpshots. It was a good evolution from the 90s era, where they just added more flash.

 

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The problem is not the nba or basketball it’s the racist cacs. In every aspect of American Life, racist cacs have to be catered to. Unfortunately stern worked hard to appeal to them and appease them.

That’s why we got the dress code, euro ball , changing rules to allow more offense etc

I agree the problem is nasty ass cacs. But that thinking fell to middle class white America (who are racist as well, but maybe more subconsiuosy or silently) as well.

So Stern realized the last time that was the perception, the league almost went broke and become defunct. He had to take action. He didn't have Magic, Bird and Jordan to save him this time. He had stars, but they all had issues for the bad. He was saved this time by taking action and LeBron and Wade falling into his lap.

This is why I give credit to Adam Silver too. He did walk into a fortunate situation, but at the end of the day, the game still appeals to most of America even if social media has made highlight culture more prevalent. He also doesn't try and appease racist cacs, he's made it clear the leagues view on social justice and this wouldn't be possible if the league wasn't increasing profits all the time because you know that's the only way those rich old cac owners would allow that message. This isn't even mentioning international growth.
 

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What's crazy to me is yall can list all those reasons - and then complain why David Stern worked so hard to eradicate it.

How yall are describing how white people saw it in the 00s is how how the league was seen in the early 80s too. Stern got lucky he got Magic, Bird and then later Jordan to change the image of the NBA.

Then as the last part of that trio retired for the final time, he saw the image starting to go back to how it was pre those 3 and obviously had to intervene otherwise all that work was a waste. His biggest new stars at that time were Kobe who was public enemy #1 due to the rape charges, AI who was fighting the media, Vince who was fighting the city he was playing in and McGrady who was fighting for a lottery team in Orlando. All this after his first group of torch carriers in Penny and GHill failed due to injuries.

What the fvxk did yall expect?
I been arguing this about the influx of elite talent the nba got in a 5 year timeframe or so was so crazy that they were going to be successful regardless. I used to tell a friend of mine this all the time.
 

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Any old head who is a basketball head now enjoyed it then, because we like basketball and the fact that we're still around means that we clearly didn't ditch the sport.

Some of the most exciting basketball narratives of my life came during that period, especially everything involving the Lakers cause they dominated the era. The Game 7 Lakers comeback against Portland, A.I.'s 48 points in Game 1, the Game 6 Lakers-Kings debacle, Duncan's upset win in 2003 to break the streak, the Detroit finals, Wade's breakout win with Shaq's redemption, the Dirk-Duncan duel, and Bron's comeback against Detroit were some of the most emotional/thrilling games I can remember.


On the other hand, the public narrative about the NBA was really bad at the time. Shooting was ass and there were a lot of volume shooters, so people used to talk about players not having fundamentals. Iso ball dominated - some of the best teams in the NBA were just throwing the ball to Shaq, Iverson, Duncan, and trying to have them carry the team on their back....but even lesser teams often would have 1-2 players go iso over and over again. People got upset about that dumb shyt with how players were dressing and it became a huge narrative. As a Blazers fan the entire city pretty much gave upon the team after 2001, when the players quit at the end of the season, coach got fired, and the constant string of fights and legal troubles. Kobe's legal troubles didn't help the league's image either. Fighting around the league was more common then, and of course it peaked with the Malice in the Palace.

That combination of iso play which was viewed as selfish, poor shooting and low scores which were viewed as lacking discipline and fundamentals, fighting, legal troubles, and the narrative about clothing all combined to form an ugly public picture of the NBA. Plus the fact that Jordan had retired and all the stars and teams of the 1990s were washed, and there was sort of a vacuum into which that narrative could settle. That's why ratings crashed during that time, and anyone who wants to pretend that ratings weren't bad, games weren't sorta ugly, and the media/public narrative hadn't turned in a bad direction is arguing against objective reality.
 

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I been arguing this about the influx of elite talent the nba got in a 5 year timeframe or so was so crazy that they were going to be successful regardless. I used to tell a friend of mine this all the time.

Im not so sure bro. Think about it, they had the likes of Wilt, Dr. J And Kareem and it still almost went broke and most of America didn't care.

Something and someone had to be different about the marketing of Bird v Magic. Someone had to focus on the rise of Air Jordan. Someone had to showcase how bad those boys were from Detroit. Someone had to give a good level of freedom to let a Barkley be himself.
 

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Im not so sure bro. Think about it, they had the likes of Wilt, Dr. J And Kareem and it still almost went broke and most of America didn't care.

Someone had to market be different about the marketing of Bird v Magic. Someone had to focus on the rise of Air Jordan. Someone had to showcase how the bad those boys were from Detroit. Someone had to give a good level of freedom to let a Barkley be himself.
None of them had near the charisma of magic and jordan though or the appeal of bird. :mjpls: I would argue we still haven't seen any of these come around again 40 years later.
 

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i remember racist people in the media and all across America openly cheering against team USA during the basketball tournament in the 2004 summer Olympics. Even the super patriotic cacs were hoping for the demise of the Iverson-led USA team.

ooo I remember that too. Cacs were NOT fukking with the NBA in the early 00s lol.
 

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At the time the view was that the game was getting dull and stagnant.

Scoring was down. And ball movement wasn't great.

What you did have, was the highlights of 1-on-1 play. And so that's what people remember and reminisce about. An Iverson crossover. A Kobe dunk. Shaq bullying everyone at the rim.

The thing about nostalgia is that you're always nostalgic about things that made you feel good. That's pretty much by definition. So few people look back and think "those were dark times".

But there's a reason the NBA made changes to open up the game and allowed zone defenses. They wanted a better pace of play. They wanted a bit less ball dominance on 1 guy.


The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that.

But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.

So now, perhaps the Michael Jordan era finally is over. A select committee on rules recommended last week that the NBA eliminate illegal-defense guidelines, which effectively would allow teams to play any defense, including a zone. The proposals also include a defensive three-second rule to prevent teams from stationing a big center, like Dikembe Mutombo, at the basket all game.

Other recommendations: reducing from 10 seconds to eight seconds the time required for the ball to be advanced to the frontcourt, limiting fouls on incidental contact and allowing the ball to be touched while on the rim, as it is in international play. The league's board of governors is expected to endorse the recommendations in April and put them into use for next season.


And it could lead to a startling change in the NBA game.

Which is what the league is hoping for with scoring stuck at historic lows of 94.6 points per team per game this season on 44.2 percent shooting.

As Casey Stengel might have said, "Can't anybody here play this game?"

Not based on the way it has looked in recent years with poor shooting and decreased movement making for a less appealing product. Some blame that for declines in TV ratings and attendance. The committee's recommendations are a response to those concerns.

The elimination of illegal-defense guidelines, which have been a staple of NBA play for the last 50 years, may rank as one of the major changes in the history of the pro game.

It is a daring experiment that proponents say will return classic basketball--cutting, passing and better shooting. Opponents say scores will plummet further and the individual stars of the game, such as Vince Carter and Kobe Bryant, will be neutralized.

And that was Jordan's argument: He believed that allowing any defense, or a zone, enables teams to gang up on the star. Gone will be the highlight-show moves and plays, the ESPN-ization of the game that others contend has been detrimental to sound play.

The NBA historically has been a man-to-man-defense league that encouraged great individual play.

But as coaches, like Hubie Brown in the 1970s, began to devise defenses to help out, the NBA instituted a series of defense rules that began to look like the Internal Revenue Service code. There was good reason for each of them, but when combined they made little sense.

So games often are spent with players pointing to lines on the court where a player is supposed to be or isn't.

Actually, many of the illegal-defense rules were designed to aid the centers, like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who were being smothered in the post area.

But the result has become a slower, unappealing setup game in which the ball is dropped into the post while the post player works with another player and three players stand around and watch.

See: New York Knicks, Miami Heat, et al.

No more, say the rules poohbahs. It's time to return to basketball.

The change is not just a present for players like Steve Kerr, Bryce Drew and Trajan Langdon, who are primarily perimeter shooters. It's more of a statement to all players that they should learn the fundamentals of the game--to shoot the ball, pass and move without the ball.

One early victim would seem to be Shaquille O'Neal, perhaps the only true low-post center left in the NBA. Elimination of illegal-defense rules would allow teams to gang up on him and force the ball outside, a sort of Shaq Rules.

But coaches such as Miami's Pat Riley, who long has relied on a two-man post-up game, say times are changing.

"I think the philosophy now is about versatility, quickness, mobility, stretching the game," Riley said. "The philosophy has transcended getting a big man.

"This is the game of the 21st Century."

A game played by Milwaukee, Dallas, Sacramento and Orlando, perimeter teams who are now four of the top-five-scoring teams in the NBA.

Although those teams don't have anyone like Jordan, they are fun to watch. And that's what the NBA is hoping will happen to all its teams.


HE ASKED FOR HEADS TO GIVE THEIR TAKE.. NOT CASUALS

U WERENT EVEN INTO BASKETBALL DURING THIS ERA

FALL BACK
 
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