Old heads how mad were u when Smif-N-Wessun pulled this stunt.....

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Yeah, Health Skeltah and Smif N' Wessun wanted to branch out and not be under Beatminerz anymore. Health Skeltah was mad vocal in interviews about wanting to do their own thing and break away from the camp for production. After Dah Shinin', everyone started working with other producers too. We see how that worked out, lol.

Nocturnal and the OGC joint were the last true BCC projects we got, in '96. Sh*t was downhill after that. Until Price went solo a million years later.
Can’t lie that shyt hurt my soul :russ:

I was a Bootcamp stan back then. They were right up there with Wu Tang. And I remember a Source article where they were saying they didn’t wanna be pigeonholed by dusty samples and shyt. But Da Beatminers were the main appeal of the Bootcamp to me. Yea they were nice on the mic but that production was a whole vibe and didn’t sound like anything else
 

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Can’t lie that shyt hurt my soul :russ:

I was a Bootcamp stan back then. They were right up there with Wu Tang. And I remember a Source article where they were saying they didn’t wanna be pigeonholed by dusty samples and shyt. But Da Beatminers were the main appeal of the Bootcamp to me. Yea they were nice on the mic but that production was a whole vibe and didn’t sound like anything else

SAME!!

I remember reading the interview and thinking dudes was talking crazy. LOL!! I was a Bootcamp stan too. So once I noticed that the projects started to have outside production, I kinda knew the run was coming to an end.
 

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I still like Da Storm better.

That whole summer, when the album was coming out, you would hear "Leflaur Leflah Eshkosha" and "Blah" EVERYWHERE, so that '96 era of Boot Camp and the sound they had right before the crew kinda fell apart is what I always preferred.

It's a damn shame we never got that Starang solo though. He's been promising that sh*t for like 20+ years, lol.

I agree with that, they were right on the cusp imo. They got on that bullshyt/inner conflict right when they reached the heights. Facts on Starang :francis:
 

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Buck Em Down also got a superior remix for the single. Funnily enough that used the same sample as the album version, just a different part.
Buck Em Down remix was my shyt. I heard it on the old head station once a couple years ago in the middle of a Saturday afternoon

Thats how I knew I was officially :flabbynsick:
 

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SAME!!

I remember reading the interview and thinking dudes was talking crazy. LOL!! I was a Bootcamp stan too. So once I noticed that the projects started to have outside production, I kinda knew the run was coming to an end.
That was a weird time in hip hop all around. They say deaths happen in threes. First it was Pac then Big than the Bootcamp
:russ:
 

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I was more mad at the name change. I get why they had to change but the name they chose was amazingly terrible

Cocoa Brovas :francis: They could not think of anything better than that?:gucci:
 

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This is the original version of the song



And on that album, he was straight clowning the West Coast.

For example, This whole Murder, Murder, Murder and Kill Kill Kill



It's Ace making fun of the 1993 West Coast... (More likely 91 and 92 NWA, given how long it took to put stuff out back then)

You can listen to the whole thing if you want (I'm not doing that ever again)



And that's how Jeep Azz Niguh got changed to Born to Roll.

The fact that it became a hit, the biggest hit of his career, when he was trying to hate? HILARIOUS.

The way he talks about it now, it was all part of the plan, and he had love for the West Coast.

:stopitslime:

In 1993 we knew what time it was.

Main Source's - Stop Faking the Funk
Jeru's - Come Clean
All that "Keep It Real" stuff that was popular at the time.

Was the East coast responding to East Coast rappers that switched up, West Coast Gangstas, (and hip hop turning pop), and eventually G-Funk.

But the boom bap/jazz breaks and clever lyrics era ENDED.

That's how you end up with those bad remixes, ill conceived collabs, and money grabs. Like Skew it on the Bar B by 'Kast featuring Raekwon.

East Coast domination ended. You can hear it most with Biggie. His "street stuff" was for NYC. But his radio stuff was for everyone.

Now NY had to compete with ATL, New Orleans, Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles... Still had some good music and hits, but ASAP Rocky comes out talking about growing up on UGK



50 Cent was one of the early adopters, but he was prolly one of the last legit super stars from NY.

It is what it is.


I just thought it was ironic such a big NY record was being identified with the west coast. I'm familiar with Ace, Slaughtahouse and Sittin On Chrome are some of my favorite records. 1993 was also the year every went fake hardcore, theres a good topic on here about that :russ:

You think that Outkast record was contrived? Just 3 dope rappers on a ill track imo

Even Rico Wade said Come Clean inspired him to make Cell Therapy cause thats what heads in New York were feeling, and he wanted to match that energy.
 

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Can't forget the Sound Bwoy Burreil remix. The album version is good but the video version tweaked it and took it to the next level.

Man you couldn't tell me Starang wasn't going to be a star

 

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You think that Outkast record was contrived? Just 3 dope rappers on a ill track imo

A lot of people share your opinion. They just rock with whatever is hot at the moment.

But rewind to 1995 Source Awards, rewind to 1994's review of Southernplayalistic.

You can find the footage.

NYC was not feeling The South, The Midwest, or The West

By 98 - THINGS DONE CHANGED

And now you got out of favor Raekwon hopping on anything to stay relevant.

Even Rico Wade said Come Clean inspired him to make Cell Therapy cause thats what heads in New York were feeling, and he wanted to match that energy.

Dre and Big Boi talk about being inspired by Souls of Mischief/Hieroglyphics. (which you can really hear on the first record)

Pimp C used the same break that Showbiz and AG used for Next Level. (Riding Dirty the title track)

It used to be all coming from one source...

I can go down the line when it comes to people from places other than NY respecting, honoring, revering the East Coast.

But the love wasn't returned...until NYC lost dominance. It'd be be another 8-10 years before NYC lost relevance.

Some folks were ahead of the curve, most weren't.

But BCC and a number of East Coast "Hard Rocks" tried to stay relevant by
  • Going R&B
  • Going West Coast
  • Going Southern (Mos Def and his Katrina Clap)
  • Going Pop (Primo and Christina Aguilera, MOP and that Boy Band, I forget their name).
Always flipping the script, constantly changing up.

I get it. If my meal ticket was gone, I'd apply for a new job yesterday.

But we got call a spade a spade.

Everyone got heat for these new rappers, hopping on trends, having zero artistic integrity, but don't want to call out the old generations?

That's why you got folks trying to give MC Hammer his flowers.

Before long Vanilla Ice is gonna get retconned as being a progenitor of the greatest rapper to have ever lived, Eminem...
 

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A lot of people share your opinion. They just rock with whatever is hot at the moment.

But rewind to 1995 Source Awards, rewind to 1994's review of Southernplayalistic.

You can find the footage.

NYC was not feeling The South, The Midwest, or The West

By 98 - THINGS DONE CHANGED

And now you got out of favor Raekwon hopping on anything to stay relevant.



Dre and Big Boi talk about being inspired by Souls of Mischief/Hieroglyphics. (which you can really hear on the first record)

Pimp C used the same break that Showbiz and AG used for Next Level. (Riding Dirty the title track)

It used to be all coming from one source...

I can go down the line when it comes to people from places other than NY respecting, honoring, revering the East Coast.

But the love wasn't returned...until NYC lost dominance. It'd be be another 8-10 years before NYC lost relevance.

Some folks were ahead of the curve, most weren't.

But BCC and a number of East Coast "Hard Rocks" tried to stay relevant by
  • Going R&B
  • Going West Coast
  • Going Southern (Mos Def and his Katrina Clap)
  • Going Pop (Primo and Christina Aguilera, MOP and that Boy Band, I forget their name).
Always flipping the script, constantly changing up.

I get it. If my meal ticket was gone, I'd apply for a new job yesterday.

But we got call a spade a spade.

Everyone got heat for these new rappers, hopping on trends, having zero artistic integrity, but don't want to call out the old generations?

That's why you got folks trying to give MC Hammer his flowers.

Before long Vanilla Ice is gonna get retconned as being a progenitor of the greatest rapper to have ever lived, Eminem...

Word I feel you....once hip hop got into the "I got a joint for everybody" phase, shyt went bad quickly. People lost their identities chasing the dollar and hip hop lost what made it unique.

More on topic, I'm still mad I listened to that bullshyt For the People album. :francis:
 

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Word I feel you....once hip hop got into the "I got a joint for everybody" phase, shyt went bad quickly. People lost their identities chasing the dollar and hip hop lost what made it unique.

More on topic, I'm still mad I listened to that bullshyt For the People album. :francis:

I copped that For The People on CD, when it dropped.

I was so mad at how wack it was, I ended up giving it away to a friend, that same week.
 

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Changing their name wasn't the issue with that Cocoa Bz album. That was one of the most dissapointing hyped up Hip Hop albums of all time. And to add insult to injury was the delays and push backs till it finally dropped. That album, Heltah Skeltahs Magnum Force, Canibus' debut, Pras' debut and John Fortes debut all gave us stinkers in 1998.
WILIN'
Magnum Force and The Rude Awakening were dope, the beats just weren't as good.
This is the original version of the song



And on that album, he was straight clowning the West Coast.

For example, This whole Murder, Murder, Murder and Kill Kill Kill



It's Ace making fun of the 1993 West Coast... (More likely 91 and 92 NWA, given how long it took to put stuff out back then)

You can listen to the whole thing if you want (I'm not doing that ever again)



And that's how Jeep Azz Niguh got changed to Born to Roll.

The fact that it became a hit, the biggest hit of his career, when he was trying to hate? HILARIOUS.

The way he talks about it now, it was all part of the plan, and he had love for the West Coast.

:stopitslime:

In 1993 we knew what time it was.

Main Source's - Stop Faking the Funk
Jeru's - Come Clean
All that "Keep It Real" stuff that was popular at the time.

Was the East coast responding to East Coast rappers that switched up, West Coast Gangstas, (and hip hop turning pop), and eventually G-Funk.

But the boom bap/jazz breaks and clever lyrics era ENDED.

That's how you end up with those bad remixes, ill conceived collabs, and money grabs. Like Skew it on the Bar B by 'Kast featuring Raekwon.

East Coast domination ended. You can hear it most with Biggie. His "street stuff" was for NYC. But his radio stuff was for everyone.

Now NY had to compete with ATL, New Orleans, Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles... Still had some good music and hits, but ASAP Rocky comes out talking about growing up on UGK



50 Cent was one of the early adopters, but he was prolly one of the last legit super stars from NY.

It is what it is.

ALSO WILIN'

Slaughtahouse is an incredible album. Ace and Digga falling out was just like BCC not using Beatminerz. Still dope, but better together.
I think OGC's Empire Strikes Back is better than Da Storm:manny:. Joint had some bangers, the posse cuts hit and Ville and Top Dog were VASTLY improved as emcees/lyricist. Those fellas were damn near Group Home status on Da Storm, Starang carried that shyt.
Can't agree with this. Louisville got his life a few times on Da Storm. M-Pire Shrikes Back was the Starang and Hennyville Show. I get the impression they were much closer with each other than Top Dog. The chemistry was crazy.
Can’t lie that shyt hurt my soul :russ:

I was a Bootcamp stan back then. They were right up there with Wu Tang. And I remember a Source article where they were saying they didn’t wanna be pigeonholed by dusty samples and shyt. But Da Beatminers were the main appeal of the Bootcamp to me. Yea they were nice on the mic but that production was a whole vibe and didn’t sound like anything else
Broke my heart :francis: Can only image how bad people would have wilded on them if the internet was like it is now and you could reach these cats so easily.
 

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I think that sample is hard to clear. Eminem couldn't clear it for the Slim Shady LP.
So this is could be the real reason he was mad at Will Smith if this is true :ohhh:
You figure Will got the sample clearance and it was successful. Then Will says he winning awards without cursing.
 
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