IDK WHO ANY OF THOSE nikkaS ARE
AND IM NOT PAYING ATTENTION
TO ANY FOREIGNERS.
IM JUST SPEAKING FROM A USA STAND POINT.
Old Going For Gold: USA Men's Olympic Basketball - Next Up The Main Event vs France (8/10 @ 3:30pm ET)
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IDK WHO ANY OF THOSE nikkaS ARE
AND IM NOT PAYING ATTENTION
TO ANY FOREIGNERS.
IM JUST SPEAKING FROM A USA STAND POINT.
Bigwhite2498
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Trust a dude who shot worse than bronny brehs
Now it’s just sounding like yall are being contrarian
I’ve posted the projected 2028 team and no one has contested yet. It’s far more fun to just pick the opposite side and speak in generalities
Lock vets: Ant, Tatum, Booker, Hali, Bam
Lock new stars: Ja, Chet, Paolo
Take your pick last 4: Jaylen Brown, Jaylen Williams, Tyrese Maxey, Donovan Mitchell, Cade Cunningham, Mobley, Flagg, Ace Bailey (google him!), Lamelo, Clingan, JJJ, Trae
Why are you acting like 33 is somehow old, especially someone like Jokic whose game isn't relying upon any athleticism, whatsoever?
France has Nolan Traore, who's currently projected to go #2 in next year's draft. He'll have a couple years of NBA experience before 2028. They also have young guards coming through like Sidy Cissoko and Ryan Rupert. To go along with lottery picks: Risacher, Sarr, Salaun, Coulibaly. These cats don't need to evolve into superstars. Truth be told, the makeup of role players which France will have in the rotation won't be known until they prepare for next World Cup.
Wemby is enough on his own that in four years time he'll be running the league.
If those lottery picks develop into secondary stars and role players, and they build chemistry over a cycle (which Team USA won't), they're going to be a problem.
Now, this is just ridiculously untrue.
No different?
We just saw Ant play himself off the floor when the lights shone the brightest. He completely lost his bearings when his jumper wasn't falling and he didn't know what to do -- even when he wasn't the main focus of the defense. To the contrary, we saw Shai drag his sorry ass team all throughout the QF against France, making bucket after bucket, not shying away from the moment, never losing his focus.
Forgive me for tapering my expectations on Ant when this was supposed to be his coming-out party and he shyt the bed. To make matters worse, he couldn't have asked for a more easier transition than to come off the bench against second units, focus almost entirely on scoring, not needing to manage the game or asked to be the center of attention of defenses.
FIBA World Cup last year, Shai showed why there's levels to this shyt when he wiped the floor with Ant and Team USA (when they didn't have proven star on the international stage to anchor the team).
Now, that's not to say that Ant couldn't become that player, but he's got to prove it first. Shai has already done that. You're arguing in bad faith if you're acting like they're the same player after watching what Ant did in the knockout games of the Olympics.
Did you just refer to Wemby as a 20-year-old?
If he stays relatively injury-free, there'll be nobody we can put on the floor in the next Olympics that will be able to match him. There hasn't been a time in the last 20-30+ years where another country has had a player who's on another level to what we can produce. That will most likely be the case in LA2028.
How is this even remotely relevant to what's going to happen in 2028?
You're drowning yourself with these non sequiturs.
Besides the fact that Wemby is a better player right now, Chet is most likely going to come into calculations for the next Olympics (if not sooner during the FIBA World Cup), especially if OKC string together a dominant 2-3 window. To take it even a step further, this is going to be valuable experience for someone Wemby, whereas the "ridiculous depth" of our squad is likely going to throw out there some bigs who haven't had even remotely the same exposure on the international stage.
Except it does matter, because you need generational talent and experience to give yourself the best possible chance of winning at the Olympics.
Team USA have always had that in their favor.
You then proceed to list a bunch of nxggas who either 1. Don't have that experience 2. Aren't generational players.
Why are you listing Zion as if he'll even be healthy enough for an Olympics campaign, or even effective enough in four years time (and not weighed down by injuries). Is Tatum even going to be there in four years time given he's pretty much had the heaviest schduele over the last 2-3 years (which is clearly reflected in his recent struggles), and which that workload will likely continue over the next 2-3 years given how dominant the Celtics project to be?
Ja and Maxey are both buckets, but again, they're not generational stars.
There's a lot of overlapping skillsets there with combo score-first guards, not many wings, no main option big man (unless Chet develops into one). Where's the game manager? Where's the dominant big? Where's the wing who can score in every situation?
What you listed is a surface-level talent team, where individually, they're more talented on paper than what every other team can put out on the floor, but there's no KD-level player there, and there's no harmony with that group. You're treating this like 2k, throwing out these players who're rated the best, despite the fact they're going to be stepping on one another to jack up shots and not creating for one another.
Or do you seem to think a team with that much inexperience are going to figure it all out within a handful of exhibition games right before the Olympics?
You have Jovic (who should continue to flourish in the Heat system), Topic (who's projected as being one of the top Euro guards), Poku, Djurisic, Vukcevic etc all coming through. Bogdan will likely still be there, but he'll have a more reduced role.
Talent is coming through all the damn time, everywhere. Why do you seem to think that other countries are going backwards or stagnating? Why do you seem to think that the amount of international players in the NBA isn't increasing every year?
Why do you keep speaking about France in the past tense, when we're talking about what they'll potentially be in 2028?France was having Wemby initiating their offense because their guards were atrocious all tournament. You really have no idea what you are talking about
I know one thing for sure, you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. You're not even formulating a proper argument; choosing to throw all your weight behind minutiae, not even bother trying to discuss the point that actually being debated.
You're hanging your entire argument on a model of a team which won't even be relevant in four years time. Glossing over the fact that France has lottery talent coming through in abundance, running parralel to the timeline of a player who'll soon be the face of the league.
This is why your analysis can't be trusted.
You're picturing the worst cast scenarios for every single other nation, yet you've got a 27-year-old Bam suddenly becoming a next level scorer from where he's currently at. You're not in the least bit trying to be objective.
Except Bron, Steph and KD won't be there at the next Olympics, well, certainly not in the same capacity. I don't know why you're listing the accomplishments of the team, when I'm asking you about what the players that'll be there in 2028.
Try again.
What did all that "insane talent" do in this Olympics, whilst they were background characters to Bron, Steph and KD?
Bigwhite2498
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I would put maxey in that lock territory
Now it’s just sounding like yall are being contrarian
I’ve posted the projected 2028 team and no one has contested yet. It’s far more fun to just pick the opposite side and speak in generalities
Lock vets: Ant, Tatum, Booker, Hali, Bam
Lock new stars: Ja, Chet, Paolo
Take your pick last 4: Jaylen Brown, Jaylen Williams, Tyrese Maxey, Donovan Mitchell, Cade Cunningham, Mobley, Flagg, Ace Bailey (google him!), Lamelo, Clingan, JJJ, Trae
VegetasHairline
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Nobody called him a bum. Nobody said he was incapable of being a superstar.Anthony Edwards a 23 year old who averaged 25ppg this year and was 4th in scoring for Team USA and had dudes on here comparing him to DWade is a fukking bum who will never be a superstar apparently.
Instead of desperately trying to get daps, perhaps you could actually provide a proper counterargument to him shytting the bed during the knockout games, and why you think it isn't reasonable to have doubts on whether or not he can anchor Team USA. This Olympics was his chance to prove that, and he failed, miserably, under what was the easiest conditions he'll ever get.
Which is a shame because he was on a heater during the pool games, but once his jumpshot wasn't falling he couldn't adjust and played himself off the floor.
That's not good enough for someone if you think is going to take over the batton.
Bigwhite2498
All Star
This whole post is gaslighting and being disingenuous lmao Canada had 10 nba players Shai didn’t drag them anywhere. All of France best players outside of Wemby wouldn’t be at the next Olympics or would be on the downside of their careers. Wemby is not that much better than Chet they just have different opportunities. Also you are doing a lot of project for France but not the same for American players.Why are you acting like 33 is somehow old, especially someone like Jokic whose game isn't relying upon any athleticism, whatsoever?
France has Nolan Traore, who's currently projected to go #2 in next year's draft. He'll have a couple years of NBA experience before 2028. They also have young guards coming through like Sidy Cissoko and Ryan Rupert. To go along with lottery picks: Risacher, Sarr, Salaun, Coulibaly. These cats don't need to evolve into superstars. Truth be told, the makeup of role players which France will have in the rotation won't be known until they prepare for next World Cup.
Wemby is enough on his own that in four years time he'll be running the league.
If those lottery picks develop into secondary stars and role players, and they build chemistry over a cycle (which Team USA won't), they're going to be a problem.
Now, this is just ridiculously untrue.
No different?
We just saw Ant play himself off the floor when the lights shone the brightest. He completely lost his bearings when his jumper wasn't falling and he didn't know what to do -- even when he wasn't the main focus of the defense. To the contrary, we saw Shai drag his sorry ass team all throughout the QF against France, making bucket after bucket, not shying away from the moment, never losing his focus.
Forgive me for tapering my expectations on Ant when this was supposed to be his coming-out party and he shyt the bed. To make matters worse, he couldn't have asked for a more easier transition than to come off the bench against second units, focus almost entirely on scoring, not needing to manage the game or asked to be the center of attention of defenses.
FIBA World Cup last year, Shai showed why there's levels to this shyt when he wiped the floor with Ant and Team USA (when they didn't have proven star on the international stage to anchor the team).
Now, that's not to say that Ant couldn't become that player, but he's got to prove it first. Shai has already done that. You're arguing in bad faith if you're acting like they're the same player after watching what Ant did in the knockout games of the Olympics.
Did you just refer to Wemby as a 20-year-old?
If he stays relatively injury-free, there'll be nobody we can put on the floor in the next Olympics that will be able to match him. There hasn't been a time in the last 20-30+ years where another country has had a player who's on another level to what we can produce. That will most likely be the case in LA2028.
How is this even remotely relevant to what's going to happen in 2028?
You're drowning yourself with these non sequiturs.
Besides the fact that Wemby is a better player right now, Chet is most likely going to come into calculations for the next Olympics (if not sooner during the FIBA World Cup), especially if OKC string together a dominant 2-3 window. To take it even a step further, this is going to be valuable experience for someone Wemby, whereas the "ridiculous depth" of our squad is likely going to throw out there some bigs who haven't had even remotely the same exposure on the international stage.
Except it does matter, because you need generational talent and experience to give yourself the best possible chance of winning at the Olympics.
Team USA have always had that in their favor.
You then proceed to list a bunch of nxggas who either 1. Don't have that experience 2. Aren't generational players.
Why are you listing Zion as if he'll even be healthy enough for an Olympics campaign, or even effective enough in four years time (and not weighed down by injuries). Is Tatum even going to be there in four years time given he's pretty much had the heaviest schduele over the last 2-3 years (which is clearly reflected in his recent struggles), and which that workload will likely continue over the next 2-3 years given how dominant the Celtics project to be?
Ja and Maxey are both buckets, but again, they're not generational stars.
There's a lot of overlapping skillsets there with combo score-first guards, not many wings, no main option big man (unless Chet develops into one). Where's the game manager? Where's the dominant big? Where's the wing who can score in every situation?
What you listed is a surface-level talent team, where individually, they're more talented on paper than what every other team can put out on the floor, but there's no KD-level player there, and there's no harmony with that group. You're treating this like 2k, throwing out these players who're rated the best, despite the fact they're going to be stepping on one another to jack up shots and not creating for one another.
Or do you seem to think a team with that much inexperience are going to figure it all out within a handful of exhibition games right before the Olympics?
You have Jovic (who should continue to flourish in the Heat system), Topic (who's projected as being one of the top Euro guards), Poku, Djurisic, Vukcevic etc all coming through. Bogdan will likely still be there, but he'll have a more reduced role.
Talent is coming through all the damn time, everywhere. Why do you seem to think that other countries are going backwards or stagnating? Why do you seem to think that the amount of international players in the NBA isn't increasing every year?
Why do you keep speaking about France in the past tense, when we're talking about what they'll potentially be in 2028?
I know one thing for sure, you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. You're not even formulating a proper argument; choosing to throw all your weight behind minutiae, not even bother trying to discuss the point that actually being debated.
You're hanging your entire argument on a model of a team which won't even be relevant in four years time. Glossing over the fact that France has lottery talent coming through in abundance, running parralel to the timeline of a player who'll soon be the face of the league.
This is why your analysis can't be trusted.
You're picturing the worst cast scenarios for every single other nation, yet you've got a 27-year-old Bam suddenly becoming a next level scorer from where he's currently at. You're not in the least bit trying to be objective.
Except Bron, Steph and KD won't be there at the next Olympics, well, certainly not in the same capacity. I don't know why you're listing the accomplishments of the team, when I'm asking you about what the players that'll be there in 2028.
Try again.
What did all that "insane talent" do in this Olympics, whilst they were background characters to Bron, Steph and KD?
France moving forward is the biggest threat to Team USA, period.
Well we don't wanna see Team USA getting chin checked in LA Olympics
it would be far worse than 2002 Indianapolis fiasco.Guys have 4 years. hopefully they come up with a plan. Or someone makes a big leap and becomes a truly big star. Yeah I know they don't treat Fiba World Cup seriously, but since the schedule has changed, they need to treat it serious this time. It will be in the year 2027, in bullshyt ass Qatar, but the thing is they need to bring the squad they envision of also sending it to LA Olympics a year after Fiba World. So it could be a great practice to see what's working and make some small changes. If they are going to just send Bobby Portis and Austin Reeves talent again and then next year get stars without practice....then good luck to those guys lol.
How could you possibly know if my argument is flawed or not when I didn't even state an argument in that post?We dont play ‘team world’.
You keep citing cumulative international improvement in an argument about individual country threats.
Also your argument is flawed bc 1) you’re assuming exponential growth of star talent when we havent seen that anywhere but the US. Meaning, there ain’t another Luka, Giannis, or Jokic coming for another generation. Ie Argentina had Ginobli 20 years ago, and havent come close to him nor have they gotten better since. Puerto Rico had Carlos arroyo, nobody since. Brazil Oscar Schmidt, Nene, nobody since. Spain Gasol brothers, nobody since
2) You’re ignoring that star international players can’t help where they from and their country-mates might be trash so their team isn’t a threat (Giannis and Greece) or they don’t even qualify. Ie Sabonis and Latvia, Siakim/Embiid and Cameroon, Kuminga and Congo
It’d be better to have a SPECIFIC conversation about the US vs France or Canada, not the wOrLd cAtcHin uP bc it’s a flawed argument
I posted a picture of the All-NBA 1st team, stating they were mostly foreigners and a joke about Tatum's jumpshot. It really wasn't that deep considering I was responding to a post which wasn't even stating an argument either. Malc threw out some corrected numbers of All-Star selections, which is a poor measurement of dominance or star quality or whatever you want to use it for in the context of Olympics competition.
But I digress.
To your first point - posting that picture is not an argument that I'm assuming there'll be exponential growth of superstar talent amongst the pool of international players. I posted that picture to show you the actual superstars as they stand right now, which this country does not have in the same value.
The fact that more and more international players are coming through and developing in the NBA means there's a higher chance there's going to be more superstars (it's a numbers game), just as there's a higher chance there's going to be more secondary stars, and main rotational players. This is all relevant because these are the players which will be the competition next time the Olympics rolls around.
I could just as easily flip that and ask where are all the US superstars? If we're producing all this generational talent, why did we have to rely on some old ass nxggas to carry our team in the Olympics? Why couldn't any of the other supposed young superstars step up and take over?
I've already specified in detail the projections of France and Canada, so miss me with that bullshyt. Furthermore, the point of arguing about the world catching up, as a collective is, it's to illustrate that by the time we have formed a team in preperation for the next Olympics, any number of nations could peak at the right time. It could all be an accumulation of teams which breaks Team USA, rather than one standout team: having to go through Shai and Canada, and then having to go through Wemby and France. We're simply none the wiser as to what the landscape will be. Nobody would've foreseen that foreigners were going to dominate the MVP race for the last half a decade; nobody would've foreseen that we've just had a draft where 40% of the lottery picks were international players.
There's been this grand global shift right under everyone's noses, and y'all would be remiss to just put it down to a phase that will pass.
Just look at the domination of Fiba u 17 and u 18
USA wins every year
And you got people who actually follow this shyt saying this years U-17 squad was the best they’ve ever seen.
111-60but naw the USA ain’t producing elite talent no more. Luka and his generational Insurance agent supporting cast got next.
Still waiting on how this has any relevance to what's going to happen in LA2028.
If we produce a superstar out of our current youth teams, then it'll be about damn time. We've been hanging out for one for years now. We were promised that was going to be Zion, but the only thing that nxgga been starring in is 'How To Get Tricked Off A Porn Star'.
