Old Going For Gold: USA Men's Olympic Basketball - Next Up The Main Event vs France (8/10 @ 3:30pm ET)

Where Will The Olympic Team Medal?

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SchoolboyC

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fukk draft positions, these players have to develop

Killian Hayes, Frank Ntilikina & Sekou Doumbouya were all lottery picks for France too and years later where are they now

France has been sending nothing but busts to the NBA for the past decade and now that they finally got one right in Wemby, the basketball world has to pretend like they have some type of proven pipeline?
 

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Still waiting on how this has any relevance to what's going to happen in LA2028.

:mjgrin:

If we produce a superstar out of our current youth teams, then it'll be about damn time. We've been hanging out for one for years now. We were promised that was going to be Zion, but the only thing that nxgga been starring in is 'How To Get Tricked Off A Porn Star'.
Where you from ?


Fred
 

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fukk draft positions, these players have to develop

Killian Hayes, Frank Ntilikina & Sekou Doumbouya were all lottery picks for France too and years later where are they now

France has been sending nothing but busts to the NBA for the past decade and now that they finally got one right in Wemby, the basketball world has to pretend like they have some type of proven pipeline?
Sarr already looks like a bust and they have no guards
 

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Why are you acting like 33 is somehow old, especially someone like Jokic whose game isn't relying upon any athleticism, whatsoever?
Because Jokic is fat with a beer belly. He doesn’t take care of himself.


40 minutes per game with 6 games in 13 nights. Good luck.

France has Nolan Traore, who's currently projected to go #2 in next year's draft. He'll have a couple years of NBA experience before 2028.

France ain’t playing a 21 year old heavy minutes in the Olympics. That’s not how euro teams operate at the guard position. Try again.

They also have young guards coming through like Sidy Cissoko and Ryan Rupert.

This dude scrapin that barrel :dead: :mjlol: Bro said “Ryan Rupert”


Wemby is enough on his own that in four years time he'll be running the league.
:mjlol: Just like Luka was enough for Slovenia, Giannis was enough for Greece, Sabonis was enough for Lithuania, etc.


You aren’t winning the Olympics without elite guard play. In fact if not for homecoming France doesn’t even make knockouts. Almost lost to intramural Japanese and this team is likely better than their 2028 team.

If those lottery picks develop into secondary stars and role players, and they build chemistry over a cycle (which Team USA won't), they're going to be a problem.
If, if, if, if. You can’t even name a French roster without pulling G league teenagers :laff:


We just saw Ant play himself off the floor when the lights shone the brightest. He completely lost his bearings when his jumper wasn't falling and he didn't know what to do -- even when he wasn't the main focus of the defense. To the contrary, we saw Shai drag his sorry ass team all throughout the QF against France, making bucket after bucket, not shying away from the moment, never losing his focus.

As the #1 option at 22 years old Ant averaged 26 ppg on 48% shooting in per 36 minutes a game during the World Cup.

4 years from now he will be fine to lead the deepest and most talented squad in the world.

Forgive me for tapering my expectations on Ant when this was supposed to be his coming-out party and he shyt the bed.
4th in scoring coming off the bench next to Lebron, KD and Curry and had 8 points in 9 minutes including 2/3 from 3 against France he shyt the bed at 23 years old :skip:


FIBA World Cup last year, Shai showed why there's levels to this shyt when he wiped the floor with Ant and Team USA (when they didn't have proven star on the international stage to anchor the team).

Brooks scored 39 points :skip:

Shai has already done that.
A bronze medal and losing in the quarterfinals at the Olympics with 10 NBA players? :skip:


If he stays relatively injury-free, there'll be nobody we can put on the floor in the next Olympics that will be able to match him.

Chet and Bam will both be 25-11 type players. Stop glazing bro. :dahell:

Except it does matter, because you need generational talent and experience to give yourself the best possible chance of winning at the Olympics.
Having one generational talent doesn’t win you the Olympics. Giannis and Luka are testament to that.


You have Jovic (who should continue to flourish in the Heat system), Topic (who's projected as being one of the top Euro guards), Poku, Djurisic, Vukcevic etc all coming through. Bogdan will likely still be there, but he'll have a more reduced role.
You just listing random dudes. Stop embarrassing yourself :russ: Bogi and Micic are the best guards Serbia has produced in 30 years and you are throwing out teenagers who hasn’t even played a professional game in the NBA :dead:

Why do you seem to think that other countries are going backwards or stagnating?

Traditional powers like Lithuania, Spain, Argentina, Greece, Italy, Brazil, all back slid over the last 15 years

France 2024 wasn’t as good as France 2021. Serbia definitely won’t be as good as 2024 in 2028.


Why do you seem to think that the amount of international players in the NBA isn't increasing every year?
This has what to do with what?


Why do you keep speaking about France in the past tense, when we're talking about what they'll potentially be in 2028?
Because you can’t even give me a concrete roster outside of G league prospects and teenagers. :hhh:

What did all that "insane talent" do in this Olympics, whilst they were background characters to Bron, Steph and KD?
what did generational Shai get Canada outside of a early red eye flight for Toronto?
 

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fukk draft positions, these players have to develop

Killian Hayes, Frank Ntilikina & Sekou Doumbouya were all lottery picks for France too and years later where are they now

France has been sending nothing but busts to the NBA for the past decade and now that they finally got one right in Wemby, the basketball world has to pretend like they have some type of proven pipeline?

Sarr already looks like a bust and they have no guards


He said Rayan Rupert :deadrose:
 

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Sarr already looks like a bust and they have no guards

Meh Summer League is hard to gauge, I wouldn’t write anyone off or crown anyone based on what I see there

I’m not saying him or Risascher or Salaun won’t pan out but it’s a long way

Truthfully for 2028, only known for France is Wemby. The guys they have now will be washed and we have to see what becomes of their young players. With Wemby he’s already a star, the unknown is just how much better he’ll be
 

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Still waiting on how this has any relevance to what's going to happen in LA2028.

:mjgrin:

If we produce a superstar out of our current youth teams, then it'll be about damn time. We've been hanging out for one for years now. We were promised that was going to be Zion, but the only thing that nxgga been starring in is 'How To Get Tricked Off A Porn Star'.
Paolo Blanchero is 21 years old averaging 23 ppg in the NBA

Anthony Edwards is 23 years old average 25ppg in the NBA

Jalen Brunson is 27 years old averaging 28ppg in the NBA

Devin Booker is 27 years old averaging 27 ppg in the NBA

Tyrese Maxey is 23 years old averaging 25ppg in the NBA

De’Aron Fox is 26 years old averaging 27ppg in the NBA

Donovan Mitchell is 27 years old averaging 30ppg in the NBA

Jason Tatum is 26 averaging 27ppg in the NBA

Jaylen Brown is 27 averaging 23 ppg in the NBA.

:mjtf: Are you ok?
 
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fukk draft positions, these players have to develop

Killian Hayes, Frank Ntilikina & Sekou Doumbouya were all lottery picks for France too and years later where are they now

France has been sending nothing but busts to the NBA for the past decade and now that they finally got one right in Wemby, the basketball world has to pretend like they have some type of proven pipeline?
It's not about pretending like they're a proven pipeline, it's working off the basis that they'll eventually stumble upon legit talent that can be harnessed into roles to work around Wemby. They don't even have to be game-changing type of players, they just need to be good enough to form a cohesive unit to put alongside the best prospect of his generation.

I mean, that's the entire point to this, is that they have players who're developing in the NBA system, who can build chemistry with one another, and be effective in the roles purely to fit with Wemby.

Miss me with that shyt too when we just saw Yabusele (you know that lottery pick bust sent over from France?) who was cooking us in the Gold medal game. He found his role on the team where he could thrive on the international stage, leading France in scoring across the knockout stages.

If it was that straight-forward to project who would be good in FIBA play, then we wouldn't be spending half the damn Olympics talking about how poorly Tatum played.

:hubie:
 

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It's not about pretending like they're a proven pipeline, it's working off the basis that they'll eventually stumble upon legit talent that can be harnessed into roles to work around Wemby.

We aren’t talking about eventually, we are talking about 2028. :dead: 4 years from now France will go from no guards to generational superstar guards :mjlol:

Miss me with that shyt too when we just saw Yabusele (you know that lottery pick bust sent over from France?) who was cooking us in the Gold medal game. He found his role on the team where he could thrive on the international stage, leading France in scoring across the knockout stages.
The fact that Yabusele was a key factor is exactly why they needed a generational whistle to beat Japans YMCA club men’s league, shot 30 fts against Canada and scored 73 points against the Wagner brothers.


That generational whistle ain’t gonna be in LA in 2028 :lolbron:
 

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It's not about pretending like they're a proven pipeline, it's working off the basis that they'll eventually stumble upon legit talent that can be harnessed into roles to work around Wemby. They don't even have to be game-changing type of players, they just need to be good enough to form a cohesive unit to put alongside the best prospect of his generation.

I mean, that's the entire point to this, is that they have players who're developing in the NBA system, who can build chemistry with one another, and be effective in the roles purely to fit with Wemby.

Miss me with that shyt too when we just saw Yabusele (you know that lottery pick bust sent over from France?) who was cooking us in the Gold medal game. He found his role on the team where he could thrive on the international stage, leading France in scoring across the knockout stages.

If it was that straight-forward to project who would be good in FIBA play, then we wouldn't be spending half the damn Olympics talking about how poorly Tatum played.

:hubie:

Yeah Yabu found his role when he’s nearly 30 and got drafted almost 10 years ago, so what does that tell you about these 18-20 year old Frenchies that we’re hoping can become him?

As far as Tatum, he had a bad showing this year but we saw in Tokyo that he’s more than capable of holding his own on the FIBA stage
 

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We have earned the benefit of the doubt point blank period. If if if if, if everything goes right for everyone else how come we aren't in that conversation? All this posturing after a 5th gold medal for Team USA basketball is hilarious. Being concerned is fine, no problem with that but if it's all a possibility then how is it still not a possibility for us to still be the gold standard come 2028. Nobody knows who is gonna take the mantle for this team, but to act like if everyone else is gonna get better (while true) and act like we can't is hilarious. We are the gold standard until proven otherwise.
 

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Paolo Blanchero is 21 years old averaging 23 ppg in the NBA

Anthony Edwards is 23 years old average 25ppg in the NBA

Jalen Brunson is 27 years old averaging 28ppg in the NBA

Devin Booker is 27 years old averaging 27 ppg in the NBA

Tyrese Maxey is 23 years old averaging 25ppg in the NBA

De’Aron Fox is 26 years old averaging 27ppg in the NBA

Donovan Mitchell is 27 years old averaging 30ppg in the NBA

Jason Tatum is 26 averaging 27ppg in the NBA

Jaylen Brown is 27 averaging 23 ppg in the NBA.

:mjtf: Are you ok?
Imagin if France had these players
Its not even a debate if they win or not

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Yeah Yabu found his role when he’s nearly 30 and got drafted almost 10 years ago, so what does that tell you about these 18-20 year old Frenchies that we’re hoping can become him?
Those 18-20 year olds will be four years older by the time the next Olympics comes around, and they'll be tested under the harshest conditions to make themselves better along the way. Nobody is saying that it's promised they'll develop into players of note, just that they have the basis there to run a timeline with players who can be something to play alongside Wemby.

It's not out of the realm of reasonability that those young players, alongside some vets can't form a formidable team for the next Olympics.

They've literally made the Gold medal game for two consecutive Olympics, pushing Team USA to the brink both times, even with a noticeable talent disadvantage (so they clearly have a structure in place that is successful on the Olympics stage), yet somehow there's all this pushback about them doing something in 2028 when they'll likely have the best player at the tournament.

All that this tells me is, folks don't realize how good Wemby will become.

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Paolo Blanchero is 21 years old averaging 23 ppg in the NBA

Anthony Edwards is 23 years old average 25ppg in the NBA

Jalen Brunson is 27 years old averaging 28ppg in the NBA

Devin Booker is 27 years old averaging 27 ppg in the NBA

Tyrese Maxey is 23 years old averaging 25ppg in the NBA

De’Aron Fox is 26 years old averaging 27ppg in the NBA

Donovan Mitchell is 27 years old averaging 30ppg in the NBA

Jason Tatum is 26 averaging 27ppg in the NBA

Jaylen Brown is 27 averaging 23 ppg in the NBA.

:mjtf: Are you ok?
Imagin if France had these players
Its not even a debate if they win or not

:dead:
Those players aren't superstars in the context of this argument.

The fact you'd list Banchero when he was an afterthought on the team during the FIBA World Cup last year is all the more telling of what bullshyt you're willing to throw at the screen in hopes it'll stick. What kind of ABC, 123 logic do you work on where someone averaging 20+ points is automatically a superstar, anyway?

That's rhetorical. I don't want to know.

There's only one ball, @Malcolmxxx_23, so someone rattling off PPG of players as if it is somehow reflective of how those players are going to impact the game if they're all playing together is just all type of nonsense. That doesn't need to be spelled out to you.

In fact, here's a question for you @Mister Terrific -

Do Team USA still win Gold if Bron, Steph and KD weren't on the squad? Do Team USA win with Tatum and Ant being thrown in at the deep end?

:mjgrin:
 
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