Official Trump Insurrection Rally 1/6/21 Fukkery, NY Probe, DOJ Probe & Georgia Probe Thread!

[Pressure]

That's the new talking point. Americans don't understand the gravity of what happened on 1/6 if they don't have *OUTSIDE* witnesses at the impeachment trial?




And im sure the abundance of witnesses swayed Americans on the last impeachment trial?


So much dishonesty here.

 

[mastermind]

The GOP is catering to Trump's base. They don't give a shyt about the rest of America.

You care more about them than I do.

Most Americans are already convinced

Right. THey are convinced he did something bad but don't care that much about what happens to him. You have to do what the GOP does which is harness that anger and get them mad at people who supported Trump in congress.

Having a 5 day trial with no witnesses or evidence and ends up not doing anything to challenge people will not do that. You seem to want that, or unless Schumer and co do the opposite then you will support that vociferously like you knew it all along.

 

[King Static X]

Watch the usual suspects agree with witnesses if Pope Chuck Schumer decrees it. Some of these nikkas don't think for themselves. They just take marching orders from the DNC.

Just to be clear, I'm not against witnesses being called.

However, I don't see them being as necessary or important as some of you are saying. Also, I'm not going to claim that just because witnesses aren't called that Democrats didn't take the trial seriously.

 

[Pressure]

Just to be clear, I'm not against witnesses being called.

However, I don't see as being as necessary or important as some of you are saying. Also, I'm not going to claim that just because witnesses aren't called that Democrats didn't take the trial seriously.

Americans care more about Covid and stimulus checks. And they will ultimately rate dems more on their responses to Covid etc than this political theater surrounding a post presidency impeachment trial.

The burn it all down crowd now expects me to believe they care about upholding the sanctity of the US government, now? Nah.

 

[King Static X]

Right. THey are convinced he did something bad but don't care that much about what happens to him. You have to do what the GOP does which is harness that anger and get them mad at people who supported Trump in congress.

Having a 5 day trial with no witnesses or evidence and ends up not doing anything to challenge people will not do that. You seem to want that, or unless Schumer and co do the opposite then you will support that vociferously like you knew it all along.

Yawn, typical insulting nonsense from you

 

[mastermind]

Yawn, typical insulting nonsense from you

The truth isn't an insult.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

No

I was checking because I think the same general "will this change anyone's mind" and "the Republican senators don't give a shyt and will vote NO regardless" arguments can be applied to both the impeachment and witnesses.

 

[King Static X]

The truth isn't an insult.

And here's the usual passive aggressive response for being called out

 

[Reality Check]

So headlines like Biggs, Cruz, implicated in Capitol insurrection witnesses testify won't affect anything? Or Boebert and MGT gave Intel on whereabouts of leaders during siege witnesses testify! How can the GOP spin that? They can't and either way their support plummets with independent voters

I'm in the camp of people that want witnesses, however wouldn't this, specifically the bolded, be a part of a separate investigation?

 

[King Static X]

I was checking because I think the same general "will this change anyone's mind" and "the Republican senators don't give a shyt and will vote NO regardless" arguments can be applied to both the impeachment and witnesses.

I think that witnesses were more important for the 1st impeachment than this one. The 1st impeachment was about a quid pro quo over a phone call that we didn't personally hear. Witnesses were needed for that trial.

For this impeachment, we all saw what happened. We watched that sh!t happen on our TVs/phones/computers/tablets. We all saw the Trump speech before the rally (and his tweets), the Capitol is still damaged, and all 100 senators were witnesses. Like I said, I'm not against witnesses but it's not as necessary as some are claiming.

 

[Macallik86]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand that the case isn't to convince the GOP senators, its to convince Americans.

I guess given the convincing evidence from the last impeachment trial, the Kavanaugh hearings, or the Amy Coney Barrett trials, what do Democrats gain with one more moral victory that doesn't ultimately change the outcome?

Not to be nihilistic about it, but the average American won't be following, is completed checked out, and wrongly thinks that the impeachment trial is taking away from the stimulus (ie @Born2BKing in TLR).

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Most Americans are already convinced

they aren't bright enough to understand that. There is nobody on the fence here. The Republicans/independents who gave up on Trump already know and the rest have made it clear that they like what happened on January 6th.

 

[mastermind]

I was checking because I think the same general "will this change anyone's mind" and "the Republican senators don't give a shyt and will vote NO regardless" arguments can be applied to both the impeachment and witnesses.

exactly

And here's the usual passive aggressive response for being called out

Nah, I'm pretty aggressive.

 

[Dillah810]

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

OK, so for those of you who wants there to be witnesses. Answers these questions for me.

Do you think having witnesses will change anyone's mind? Also, who would that be?



Most of the people that will watch or pay attention to the impeachment trial are going to be political junkies and hardcore partisans (who already have their minds made up either way). Most Republican senators won't give a sh!t either way if there are witnesses or not because 95% of them are going to vote NO regardless.

Witnesses will put it all out there. It can show (potentially) that Trump ordered the SecDef to tell the NG to stand down. It could show that elected officials communicated with rioters, that rioters believed Trump was on their side, etc. Make the Republicans own this by voting for acquittal.