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Watched it last night and I loved it. I definitely need to rewatch it a couple more time’s to pick up on all the details. The action set pieces are visually both :mindblown: & :whoo:. You can tell Christopher Nolan really went all out experimenting with idea of action happening in both directions.

The best way I can describe this film without spoiling it is calling it an amped up version of Stein’s Gate.
 
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I'm somehow more confused after the second viewing.

Someone please tell me when
Sator got the missing piece of the algorithm. Cause when the protagonist gets inverted for the first time we clearly see that the piece of the algorithm goes inversely from him to the past him and into the box. This is right before Sator blows his car up. Meaning the algorthim piece was not in the protagonist's possession at the timd when the car was flipped. Sator did not take the piece at that moment as we can clearly see the piece going back to the past protagonist. So when did he take it?
 
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I AM WARHOL said:
I'm somehow more confused after the second viewing.

Someone please tell me when
Sator got the missing piece of the algorithm. Cause when the protagonist gets inverted for the first time we clearly see that the piece of the algorithm goes inversely from him to the past him and into the box. This is right before Sator blows his car up. Meaning the algorthim piece was not in the protagonist's possession at the timd when the car was flipped. Sator did not take the piece at that moment as we can clearly see the piece going back to the past protagonist. So when did he take it?
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From my understanding (I will rewatch again) is that there ending up being TWO cases. One moving forward and the other inverted. The protagonist tossed the real case to the inverted Sator. The protagonist then inverted himself to plant the fake case for Sator to pick up. He waited and saw Sator pick up the fake case and followed him. If I'm not mistaken, the inverted Sator opens the fake case and sees it as being a fake. So, since he was inverted and everything is on rewind around him, the inverted Sator went after the FORWARD protagonist for the real case. The INVERTED protagonist sees the case (while inverted) tossed from the inverted Sator to his FORWARD self. That's how Sator got the final algorithm. The forward protagonist tossed it to him, not knowing that was an inverted Sator.

I hope that clarify things.
 
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Watched it this afternoon (14:30 showing, 6 people in it me included :lolbron:) and it's the first Nolan movie that had me a bit :ld: I didnt watch any trailer and went to watch the movie knowing anything of the plot because I trust Nolan (usually)

The movie looked great visually (the inverted environnement is cool af), there are some good action parts overall and I wasnt disappointed at all with the fighting scenes. Also I wasnt bothered by the sound (I'm French so I watched my foreign movies subbed) so I dont share all the sound complaints. I like Nolan's timeline fukkeries so I enjoyed the movie in that regard.

That said there are some grips I have with it which prevented me to fully appreciate the flick:
- some of the dialogues are tuuuuuurible. Feels like some of the exchanges were too forced and "the protagonist" was doing too much with some one liners.

- why is dude obsessed with saving Kat ? Man is a mission-first type of guy but goes above and beyond to save her above all when at some point he says that if needed be, he could take out a child or a woman ? His character feels really flat like je has no depth at all. Also I dont get why he cries for Pattinson at the end itsI not like they were frineds no ? i thougjt that the first time he met him was when he infiltrated the Indian woman tower ? :dwillhuh:

- villain is terrible. Are there no good English speaking Russian actors ? Karyo's delivery is utter garbage and some of his lines were beyond trash (the tiger one, the if I cant have you one, the cut throat ones etc, the screams he let when he kicks her ...)

- if the movie is a whole palindrome, why doesnt it stop at the concert ? :beli:

- also I didnt understand the attack on the Russian city at all. It looked nice and cgi was cool but it didnt make much sense to me . Im not dumb by any means (or maybe I am) but I was confused as hell. I get the temporal pincer attack part and that was a nice idea but I didnt understand the action at all and the logic of it all.

- also there are some inverted parts I didnt get. For example, when they extract Kat to the fire truck, shouldnt they been seen running backwards in the normal version of that event ? Also how come they are not noticed ?

- end scene was rushed but it's also the whole protagonist thing that feels hollow and prevented me to like the main characted. I mean it feels like it needed another 15 minutes (on a 2.5h flick !) to understand how breh pulled all the strings and what motivated him

I feel like I need to rewatch the movie but I dont want to really because I rate it as a 6 or 7 movie...
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If you go about it with an understanding of it being a classic Bond movie, then a lot of the dialogue, one-liners, and over the top villain is to be expected.

Sator, being that over the top narcissist villain, is highly possessive of everything, so it's not so much of his obsession with Kat, but him being selfish at the humanity. If a man who is willing to extinct all of mankind just because he's dying of cancer, of course this would be the same kind of man who's cannot let go of anything and any one. His entire animosity over Kat is solely based on a fraudulent painting. That's how petty the man is. So, of course out of that same selfishness and possessiveness he would not let Kat go for no reason other than he feels he owns her.

As for depth, I think it's a bit misleading because we are purposely left in the dark about the true nature of these characters. Neil, Robert Pattinson's character, has a long and blossoming relationship with the protagonist that spans for decades. It is even theorized that Neil is actually Max, Kat's son, and knows the magnitude of what he did for not just humanity, but for him and his mother personally. If this theory holds true, it'll explain why the number of times Neil saved the protagonist's life and why they become close friends. You must understand that the protagonist at the end realizes that his FUTURE SELF was the one that created this mission and recruited Neil. So, when this is why he began tearing up because he is now learning how vital Neil have been and the sacrifice he's going to commit as well. To simplify this, think of the Terminator and the protagonist is John Conner and Neil is Kyle Reese and John Conner sending Kyle Reese back in time to prevent Skynet from happening (Sator and the algorithms)

Also, the movie is not a palindrome. Nolan did not recreate Memento which is literally a palindrome that can be viewed both backwards and forwards.The film's premise is the nature of living in a palindrome universe, but the movie itself doesn't start and end at the opera house. The reason why it doesn't, is simple. What for? The prologue scene is simply about how the protagonist got introduced to the TENET organization. Nothing more. If anything, plot-wise, the palindrome began and ended at the yacht over in Vietnam.

You probably wasn't paying close attention. Kat was never extracted from the fire truck. Kat wasn't ever in the fire truck. If you are referring to the highway chase, the TENET team retrieved Kat at the turnstyle site after Sator shot her with an inverted bullet.

For starters at the Russian city, none of that was CGI. Those were actual buildings. The CGI that was done was the inversion effects. The whole point of that scene was that Sator place the total algorithm into former childhood city that was destroyed. He was going to going to kill himself setting and set off the device at the same time. The Tenet organization believed Sator made himself into a kill-switch which meant that if he died, then the algorithm will transform into a doomsday anti-matter equation device and all of existence would be extincted. So, learning the whereabouts of the algorithm, the Tenet organization formulated two teams to capture the algorithm before it was to be set off. Fearing that Sator is always one step ahead of them, the two teams are set up where one go in 10 minutes forward and the other 10 minutes inverted, so the inverted team can forewarn the forward time of what's to happen.

The protagonist isn't the heart and soul of the movie. It is Kat and by extension Neil. We know nothing about the protagonist and that's by intent. He is virtually an anonymous character who in secret created the TENET organization in the future specifically for this moment because he doesn't want to let himself know the true, rather than finding his past self on his own, because it'll be catastrophic. The only other people that know are Kat and Neil. And this is by rule as to why no one else knows because they are required to be eliminated once they do. Everything is always under a need to know basis. This is why the protagonist kills the Indian lady and her goon at the end of the film. Because he's the one that runs the operation and they're his minions. We know from the beginning that the protagonist was once upon a time some random goon. But because he never snitched to the Ukrainians about his team, he was assigned the Tenet mission.He was told that his former self was dead, which means we aren't going or needed a back story about who he was. Everything was about the mission at hand. The protagonist ends up sympathizing Kat's abusive turmoil and vowed to protect her and her son at all cost. So the final scene was about that. It also is about the debate that Neil had with the protagonist where Neil believes that whatever happens always will happen and nothing can change it, whereas the protagonist is opportunistic believing that changing the past does affect the future. So, when we get to the final scene, beforehand, one of Sator's goons would arrive to pick up her son. This time around, there wasn't any goons to pick up her son (or the protagonist already killed him) and therefore proving his point of change.
 
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I liked it....and I appreciate the complexity of it. The problem is the scale and it being a blockbuster meant I should have loved it.


If I wanted some really complex shyt...I would watch Primer again....
 
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I really want to watch it but I'll be shunned to the max/would regret it if I go to the theater so I'll have to wait. :mjcry:
 
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