Official Stranger Things Season 2 Thread

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Just finished watching. I can't knock Netflix's business model because it's obviously working but if you don't watch their shows ASAP these threads become dead as fukk.

Anyway like I said earlier in the thread I had a few problems but now that I finished I liked the last 3-4 eps a lot. I know ep 7 was divisive but I liked it....they got a plan for 4-5 seasons so they need to expand this beyond that small ass town at some point.

Fred.

 

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Ok, fair enough. Just tell me two things then. Who/what created the "Demogorgon" monster from season 1? Does Eleven travel between dimensions when she uses her psychic powers to contact people?

Thanks

I know I'm late as fukk with my reply, but to use the same Dungeons & Dragons analogy, the weird black/empty space 11 goes to is kinda like the Astral Plane. It's basically a neutral spot tied to all other dimensions, which is how she can see random people and places while in it.

The Demogorgon from season 1 was from the Shadow Plane, she created a physical connection between the Shadow Plane and our world when she touched it.

I don't think anybody created the Demogorgon, it's just a creature from that dimension. Kinda like a bear or a lion from this world. It's predatory animal.

Fred.

 

[Tunez]

Bob p*ssy whipped

 

[Tasha And]

Just finished it tonight.

A brother teared up at the dance.

Man I miss being a kid sometimes and this series always nails it in that regard.

 

[TheGodling]

Finished it this weekend and it was good but not as great as the first season. I think the biggest difference was that season 1 felt like it played cleverly into tropes of the genre (familiar but fresh) but this season delved into a lot of outright clichés. Dustin hiding Dart from his friends when he should know better, El just so happening to visit/see Mike at the precise moment he shares one happy moment with Max, the super telegraphed death scene, there was a lot of shyt that just had no business being in here. And I didn't mind the notorious episode 7 but I was baffled by the fact they opened the series with 8 and the group of outcasts, only for them to have one-off appearance so late in the season that was just mostly setup for future seasons. Really weird decision.

Also, Max added absolutely nothing to the group and her introduction was pretty much only salvaged because her douchebag brother character came with it (great role by dude). Steve and Dustin made an awesome pairing but I still laugh at how forcefully they try to keep that Twilight-ish love triangle alive for the girl audience. Also underrated but I liked how when everyone was together they all argued about all kinds of shyt, like they established clearly that this group is only together because they're the only ones who can do shyt about it but they're still different people. In the end a lot of it works because in the writing they never forget that these characters are still trying to deal with their own lives as well.

 

[Tasha And]

I think the biggest difference was that season 1 felt like it played cleverly into tropes of the genre (familiar but fresh) but this season delved into a lot of outright clichés.

Interesting. I felt like season 1 and 2 were equally guilty of the same thing. When Max gave her meta commentary to Lucas about the story of El being pretty good but derivative, it was pretty much how I felt about season 1. They both rely on outright cliches. Season 1 was never interested in subverting 80s movies and books, it only wanted to become one of them. And once I realized that last year, I was able to enjoy it for what it was. Those reset expectations helped me like season 2 without hoping for it to outthink the material that inspired it like I did when I came into the first season.

I admit I was also relieved and surprised at there being no twist villains, like from Alien(s). I was expecting for there to be a "I'm actually evil" reveal at some point from Bob or Dr. Owens but nope. They had their different motives, but none of them involved screwing each other over to fulfill some perfunctory need for a human antagonist. Everyone was ultimately united together. And watching all of the characters interact and help each other, from the doctor down to the kids really made me appreciate the town and all of the different personalities that got thrown together to stop a monster. It helped to maintain the tension for me because their bonds, as flimsy and forged through circumstance as some of them were, were genuine.

I think I'd rate both seasons 8/10.

 

[Tasha And]

Oh and on the topic of familiar but fresh, I feel like a lot of that is just the nature of this being a sequel. Season 1 felt fresh within the first five minutes of the first episode just because it was a 2016 show with synths and a tone and atmosphere of beloved shyt from the 80s. The very existence of it made it feel fresh, and that was before you even got into the writing. Season 2 doesn't start off with that luxury, it feels a little worn even before you watch a single scene.

If I do have a criticism of the familiar, it's not season 2 ripping off anything from the 80s, it's season 2 clearly ripping off season 1.

It was painfully obvious that they didn't have many ideas for Wiona Ryder's character so they just substituted in her exact plot from season 1, switching out christmas lights for colorful drawings. I thought the tracing the TV shyt was a really lazy and stupid eureka moment to push her towards that subplot.

But fortunately it picked up in the later episodes when Bob, Hopper and Mike arrived. It also benefited from actually having Will there, as the actor really did some lifting to give those scenes some emotional weight.

 

[Devilinurear]

Bob p*ssy whipped

I will hear no Bob slander! He was a good man.
Always does the right thing.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I know I'm late as fukk with my reply, but to use the same Dungeons & Dragons analogy, the weird black/empty space 11 goes to is kinda like the Astral Plane. It's basically a neutral spot tied to all other dimensions, which is how she can see random people and places while in it.

The Demogorgon from season 1 was from the Shadow Plane, she created a physical connection between the Shadow Plane and our world when she touched it.

I don't think anybody created the Demogorgon, it's just a creature from that dimension. Kinda like a bear or a lion from this world. It's predatory animal.

Fred.

I rewatched the episode in season 1 where she created the "gate" or connection to the Shadow plane. And it seems she created the opening because she got scared, screamed and unleashed some type of physic power while in the empty space. I don't think touching the Demogorgon had anything to do with it.

and they should explain the whole "astral plane" thing and how eleven can do what she does. but I guess it makes sense on that base level.

And I wish they'll show more about the creatures from the other dimension because it's seems the upside down is a mirror of the real world, not like another planet or something. Only thing different is the Demogorgon and those vines and slugs. So how did that dimension get to be how it is, for example?

 

[BXKingPin82]

lil mush mouth buddy be crackin me up!


hockey smacked that lil gremlin!

 

[BXKingPin82]

Is Luca Brasi gonna smidash Pippy Long Stockings???
:meloohhh:

 

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I rewatched the episode in season 1 where she created the "gate" or connection to the Shadow plane. And it seems she created the opening because she got scared, screamed and unleashed some type of physic power while in the empty space. I don't think touching the Demogorgon had anything to do with it.

and they should explain the whole "astral plane" thing and how eleven can do what she does. but I guess it makes sense on that base level.

And I wish they'll show more about the creatures from the other dimension because it's seems the upside down is a mirror of the real world, not like another planet or something. Only thing different is the Demogorgon and those vines and slugs. So how did that dimension get to be how it is, for example?

The Upside Down is literally the Shadow Plane from Dungeons & Dragons breh.

Plane of Shadow

It's not that anything happened there....it's just a (fukked up) mirror image of our world, like you said.

They did explain how Eleven can do what she does....they experimented on her mom and instead of giving her powers it was passed on to her daughter. We find out in season 2 the mom can kinda do the same thing but she's obviously far weaker than Eleven.

I don't think her screaming or her alone had anything to do with opening the gate....the Demogorgon obviously isn't from the Astral Plane, but Eleven seen it there. Same as she seen Mike, her mom, etc. But everything she touches while there, disappears....the Demogorgon didn't disappear though. It made a connection to our world.

Fred.

 

[KalKal]

And I wish they'll show more about the creatures from the other dimension because it's seems the upside down is a mirror of the real world, not like another planet or something. Only thing different is the Demogorgon and those vines and slugs. So how did that dimension get to be how it is, for example?

I've been wondering about this. The Upside-Down contains all of the same buildings as the real world, including the little castle fort that Will built last year. How do the buildings get there? if someone adds a section to a building in the real world, does the new section "magically" appear in the mirror world? Who actually moves the pieces in place?

Or are the buildings all just illusions or mental thoughts made solid? Is it a dream world in the mind of kid 009, and kid 010 is the Mind Flayer?

 

[DoubleClutch]

I've been wondering about this. The Upside-Down contains all of the same buildings as the real world, including the little castle fort that Will built last year. How do the buildings get there? if someone adds a section to a building in the real world, does the new section "magically" appear in the mirror world? Who actually moves the pieces in place?

Or are the buildings all just illusions or mental thoughts made solid? Is it a dream world in the mind of kid 009, and kid 010 is the Mind Flayer?

Exactly it could be anything. I see it as kind of a spirit world, another unseen dimension or it could be an alternate reality. maybe one of the previous "experiments" got trapped there

 

[Norrin Radd]

I've been wondering about this. The Upside-Down contains all of the same buildings as the real world, including the little castle fort that Will built last year. How do the buildings get there? if someone adds a section to a building in the real world, does the new section "magically" appear in the mirror world? Who actually moves the pieces in place?

Or are the buildings all just illusions or mental thoughts made solid? Is it a dream world in the mind of kid 009, and kid 010 is the Mind Flayer?

I’ve just looked at it as an inhabitable mirror version of our universe. I don’t know how close that is to what the Duffey bros envision it but