Official Mitt Romney VP announcement thread 8/11 9am

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Dude you really need to take a break from DailyKos if you think using Ayn Rand as a weapon against Ryan matters to anyone but the circlejerking asshats who live on that site and other blogs like it.
The GOP Jesus himself, Ronald Reagan, is on record admitting his admiration for Rand and she is still looked at poitively in Republican circles despite being a vocal detractor of Reagan's back in the day.
And if Rand were to be introduced like you want to the Obama camp to use her then that opens Obama up to have any of the people he ever was in philosophical agreement with brought up too which will just descend this election even further into the abyss of irrelevant fukkery.

First of all, I've never visited the Daily Kos once in my life unless I clicked on a link to a article from here or somewhere else so kill that.

And if you read what I said, I proposed they only use Ayn Rand as a proxy to highlight Ryan's religiosity. I think he's vulnerable there because he's a closet atheist. Highlighting his worship of Ayn Rand (which goes far beyond Reagan or anybody else, he bases his entire political philosophy around Ayn Rand and brags about making his staff read Atlas Shrugged btw) and then highlighting Ayn Rand's comments condemning Christianity could be a way to put them on the defensive about that. I don't think Ryan is very comfortable talking about his religious faith because I don't think he has any.

I said it mostly because I think it would be humorous and ironic for the Dems to turn the tables and go after the Repubs for their lack of Christianity for a change, not that I think it should a centerpiece of an effective political strategy. But the way good political campaigns work is you get a list of the opposition's vulnerabilities and carpet bomb them on all of them. It's like diversifying a portfolio. Different attacks will stick with different voterss.

And quite frankly, I don't think you're the most astute political strategy critic. You spend I don't know how long arguing with me that the Bain attacks wouldn't work and no one would care about them and you ended up being dead wrong. And you still think Romney has a chance of winning the election based on this mythological, discredited "the Republican base will be energized" bullshyt.

 

[Slystallion]

You are either a liar or just plain ignorant. Defense spending is half the budget. Entitlements are not even on the budget cause they are paid for by payroll taxes. Stupid.

aint shyt paid for...

we've had a deficit for the past 30 years even clintons sh*t was just vodoo accounting the closest we got to a surplus in one year was about 117,000 deficit for the year...Bill Clinton was borrowing money from the social security fund to make it look like their was a surplus

but back to the original point the defense costs are small compared to what is spent on entitlements and you know it

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

That is what is so scary about the fiscal situation that our country is facing. Paul Ryan's budget does not cut government spending, it only cuts the growth in government spending. And yet he is still being accused by you left wing lunatics of wanting to starve poor people and kill off the elderly. If Ryan is being demonized merely for slowing the growth of government spending and his plan still adds to the government deficit, what hope do we ever have for actually solving the long term fiscal crisis?

As Ryan said in his speech yesterday, Democrats are putting more importance on the next election than they are the next generation. Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt and Obama's only response is to bury his head in the sand and ignore the problem. The president of the United States is showing no leadership on the issue while a small town congressman from Wisconsin is.

Why would any sane, clear thinking person ever vote for a Democrat? Where is their leadership on the impending fiscal crisis and fixing Medicare? Why can't the Democrat controlled Senate even pass a budget?



VictorVonDoom, don't pull a Rachel Maddow and dodge these questions......

The Ryan budget WILL ADD $4.6 TRILLION TO THE FEDERAL DEFICIT OVER 10 YEARS! How exactly is that fiscally conservative? Do you suffer from a traumatic brain injury?

When are you clowns going to shut the fukk up with about fiscal conservatism? Nobody in your party has been fiscally conservative since about the early 70's.

 

[Robbie3000]

aint shyt paid for...

we've had a deficit for the past 30 years even clintons sh*t was just vodoo accounting the closest we got to a surplus in one year was about 117,000 deficit for the year...Bill Clinton was borrowing money from the social security fund to make it look like their was a surplus

but back to the original point the defense costs are small compared to what is spent on entitlements and you know it

You are incredibly stupid. Defense spending is almost 700 billion dollars. HALF of all discretionary spending. Medicare and SS are not part of the budget dummy. They are paid for through payroll taxes. SS in particular is OUR money and it's fully solvent till about 2030.

 

[MBwithadream]

As an ardent Obama supporter I could not POSSIBLY be happier with this debacle of a decision . This dude Willard literally just handed Obama the election.

He should as that is what cuzins do.

 

[Jello Biafra]

First of all, I've never visited the Daily Kos once in my life unless I clicked on a link to a article from here or somewhere else so kill that.

And if you read what I said, I proposed they only use Ayn Rand as a proxy to highlight Ryan's religiosity. I think he's vulnerable there because he's a closet atheist. Highlighting his worship of Ayn Rand (which goes far beyond Reagan or anybody else, he bases his entire political philosophy around Ayn Rand and brags about making his staff read Atlas Shrugged btw) and then highlighting Ayn Rand's comments condemning Christianity could be a way to put them on the defensive about that. I don't think Ryan is very comfortable talking about his religious faith because I don't think he has any.

I said it mostly because I think it would be humorous and ironic for the Dems to turn the tables and go after the Repubs for their lack of Christianity for a change, not that I think it should a centerpiece of an effective political strategy. But the way good political campaigns work is you get a list of the opposition's vulnerabilities and carpet bomb them on all of them. It's like diversifying a portfolio. Different attacks will stick with different voterss.

And quite frankly, I don't think you're the most astute political strategy critic. You spend I don't know how long arguing with me that the Bain attacks wouldn't work and no one would care about them and you ended up being dead wrong. And you still think Romney has a chance of winning the election based on this mythological, discredited "the Republican base will be energized" bullshyt.

Ayn Rand is a stupid stick to use, it is a ridiculously niche argument that doesn't (and won't) resonate with anyone that is not already a biased Obama loving, Dem voting partisan liberal who worships at the alter of the Cenk Uygar's and Lawrence O'Donnell's of the world.
And someone such as yourself, who obviously considers himself to be some sort of armchair political strategist extraordinaire, should be able to see that.
Also their is a difference between agreeing with Rand's political philosophy and agreeing with her on religion. The two are not mutually exclusive.
As to our debates about the Bain attacks and their effectiveness...my stance has always been that all of the shyt that goes on during the summer in an election year doesn't matter especially not the polls that you base all of your arguments on. Polling doesn't accurately reflect the mood of the electorate until after the comventions and the first debate because that is when the undecideds start really paying attention. And I still believe that.

 

[Slystallion]

You are incredibly stupid. Defense spending is almost 700 billion dollars. HALF of all discretionary spending. Medicare and SS are not part of the budget dummy. They are paid for through payroll taxes. SS in particular is OUR money and it's fully solvent till about 2030.

Umm no defense spending is 20% of all spending 40% is on entitlements medical stuff education retirement benefits etc...and 20% is social security which we are in debt with anyway...so technically if you take out social security everything else is about double that of defense

And I didn't even know after doing some research Obama has spent more on defense than Bush did which surprised me

I also read that Ryan's budget did cut defense spending though? So find me where there was increases there

 

[acri1]

Umm no defense spending is 20% of all spending 40% is on entitlements medical stuff education retirement benefits etc...and 20% is social security which we are in debt with anyway...so technically if you take out social security everything else is about double that of defense

And I didn't even know after doing some research Obama has spent more on defense than Bush did which surprised me

I also read that Ryan's budget did cut defense spending though? So find me where there was increases there

GOP budget boosts defense spending - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

 

[Slystallion]

GOP budget boosts defense spending - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

I see...I'll be honest I'd prefer 9/9/9 Cain plan over any of this stuff but Ryans plan is better than what's on the table

 

[The Real]

I see...I'll be honest I'd prefer 9/9/9 Cain plan over any of this stuff but Ryans plan is better than what's on the table

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Ayn Rand is a stupid stick to use, it is a ridiculously niche argument that doesn't (and won't) resonate with anyone that is not already a biased Obama loving, Dem voting partisan liberal who worships at the alter of the Cenk Uygar's and Lawrence O'Donnell's of the world.

As I already said, I didn't propose it as a centerpiece of the campaign. It's just one of many angles to throw at the opposition. And I mostly said it because it would be humorous and ironic to turn the tables on Repubs on religion. It obviously wouldn't swing the election. Obama's already got the election in the bag, but you are too ignorant to see that yet.

And someone such as yourself, who obviously considers himself to be some sort of armchair political strategist extraordinaire, should be able to see that.

I'm not an armchair political strategist extraordinaire, but I have basic observational political strategy common sense, such as being able to predict that the Bain attacks would resonate and knowing that this Romney energizing the base (which is about 30% of the electorate, mostly in red states, and will already vote for any Republican anyway) stuff you're talking is bullshyt.

Also their is a difference between agreeing with Rand's political philosophy and agreeing with her on religion. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This statement is once again proving your overestimation of the intelligence of the electorate. If you put up a quote of Ryan saying he bases his whole political philosophy around Rand and then put up a quote of Rand shytting on Christianity, some voters may be like " So Ryan doesn't love Jesus?"

And once again, I don't think that will swing any states to blue. It's not that serious. You seem to have an axe to grind or something. This is a non-issue. It's not like I said they should adopt a whole Ayn Rand strategy and it's going win OH. Part of campaigning is just throwing a bunch of bullshyt at the wall and hoping some of it sticks with some voters.

As to our debates about the Bain attacks and their effectiveness...my stance has always been that all of the shyt that goes on during the summer in an election year doesn't matter especially not the polls that you base all of your arguments on. Polling doesn't accurately reflect the mood of the electorate until after the comventions and the first debate because that is when the undecideds start really paying attention. And I still believe that.

You said that later. First you said no one would care. They did.. Look at the polls on Romney's business record and his approval ratings and his standing against Obama pre-Bain attacks and post. They were a smashing success. Also it's pretty silly to say nothing matters now because it all connects. Romney will now have to adopt a different, probably more desperate strategy now because he got killed on Bain. At first his plan was to run on his business record. Now he's done a 180 and said his business record should be off the table.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

have you seen any of Paul Ryans policy ideas? Dude is fukking RETARDED. Hes not getting ANY moderates or undecided voters. Let alone Democrats.

He is going to scare away all moderates and independents.

lol nah nah nah you're missing what I'm saying

from yours and my perspective, we know dude's policies are crazy

but politics isn't about policy....we know this

We can show every swing voter how his policy negatively affects them. But if he makes biden back track once in a debate those folks are gonna be like "hercules hercules!"

Then Obama is going to be forced to pick up the fight for biden later on down the line. That's all its going to come down to. Biden is gonna get tossed to the way side and it'll be a 2v1 debate.

And that's where the dems campaign will have trouble. If it were hillary at the vp position, this shyt would be wrapped up. She would be diddy bopping on them and we'd be talking about the next 4yrs.

But do y'all really trust Biden to run the point right now??? Y'all really think Biden is gonna hold his own and silence Ryan's plan??? Rly??? Biden??? Whens the last time we've seen Biden hold his own in a public setting??? If I'm not mistaken, he botched the budget fiasco and Obama had to come in and pick shyt up for him. Biden is a weak link.

Right conclusion, wrong reasoning.

Ryan would indeed mop the floor with Biden in a televised debate, but he would do so because of his youth and charisma, not his ability to argue technicalities.

I don't think he'd be a Newt level debater. But I do think against Biden he'll "come off as" such. So yeah you're right.

And also, Ryan is a buffer. Mitt probably won't have to seriously entertain a tax question because the public is now trying to "learn" about Ryan. Its a whole new election.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mitt just stops talking period lol

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I see...I'll be honest I'd prefer 9/9/9 Cain plan over any of this stuff but Ryans plan is better than what's on the table

That's the Sly we know and love.

 

[Robbie3000]

Umm no defense spending is 20% of all spending 40% is on entitlements medical stuff education retirement benefits etc...and 20% is social security which we are in debt with anyway...so technically if you take out social security everything else is about double that of defense

And I didn't even know after doing some research Obama has spent more on defense than Bush did which surprised me

I also read that Ryan's budget did cut defense spending though? So find me where there was increases there

Why don't you just do a quick Wikipedia search. For a guy who constantly advocates fiscal conservatism, you would think you would have a firm grasp of this basic knowledge.

National Defense: $716.300 billion

Social Security: $778.574 billion

Medicare: $484.486 billion

Health (Including Medicaid): $361.625 billion


2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Imo paying taxes is patriotic. To avoid taxed is going against your country and the troops in the field. Rommey cant be trusted. He's anti America