[Official] MGSV: The Phantom Pain Thread: GOTY Edition.
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Watching the ending of mission 31 right now
TrifeGod
Chasing The Dragon
My Black Queen 
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
Big Boss
Quiet be bussing it 
gameplay IS pretty repetitive though. No puzzles. No real sneaking indoors. etc.
Yeah I saw that. It's there to humanize her I think
yeah, I was kinda bummed it didn't go anywhere. after that I took her on a mission and she was fine
D dog back in my starting roster after he got this fulton shyt.
I dont need to fulton nikkas anymore in the field. shyt is great. I can snatch shyt up and tell d d goofy ass to handle my light work.
TrifeGod
Chasing The Dragon
Just thought of something....
Lets say Eli is around 9-12 years old....
then David would be 9-12 years old going on 18-21 years old due to his aging
They have shown glimpses of New York city but nothing is in-game
I'm gonna go cry now
If you don't know who David is
Lets say Eli is around 9-12 years old....
then David would be 9-12 years old going on 18-21 years old due to his aging
They have shown glimpses of New York city but nothing is in-game
I'm gonna go cry now
If you don't know who David is
The only Real True Snake
Neil Tyson
YYZ
Snake getting top while Pequad is none the wiser.Quiet be bussing it
Big BossBB played Venom like a goddamn fiddle just to increase his legend and get away scott-free from the people who are looking for him. How in the hell do people support this monster who will use his own men in such a way?
This explanation about Big Boss on IGN is just
BB played Venom like a goddamn fiddle just to increase his legend and get away scott-free from the people who are looking for him. How in the hell do people support this monster who will use his own men in such a way?
I know a lot of people in the Metal Gear community are sad and disappointed that we did not get to see Big Boss downfall in the game. I would take this into a different prospective and my interpretation of the game's ending. Instead of witnessing Big Boss downfall, you were a victim of it.
Think about it. The medic in MGSV probably admire Big Boss like the rest of his troops. He was basically their hero. When the medic sacrifice himself for Big Boss, that showed great dedication. Zero, in order to protect Big Boss, wanted to create a phantom or a decoy so Big Boss could survive. The medic was already expendable since that moment. Zero was essentially creating another Skullface. Taking away the medic face, identity, name, and origins away all for the sake of Big Boss.
He became Venom Snake. Since Venom is supposed to represent you, the player; you get to create your own avatar. What you are supposed to look like. You could spend a lot of time on it as you choose, but it doesn't matter. Your entire existence was erased. This is all messed up. This isn't right. And what did Big Boss and Ocelot do? They just went along with it. Ocelot even said that this is just your detour on your way to the hell, and just assumes that you would like playing the role as Big Boss for a while. They even said that they will use the patients and employees there as their shield to escape. What sort of hero does that? They knew that XOF was coming and they didn't say anything to the people there. The only reason why Big Boss saved you is because he needed you as a decoy.
This is all shady crap. And he did not tell Venom about this. Nobody told him about this until later. It's lies and deception. This is the exact reason why Big Boss left the USA and Zero. He left the USA because he was used, and left Zero because he did something without his consent. He's doing the exact same thing to you, the player. Through lies and deception, he allows you to believe that you are Big Boss, but you are a decoy. No one will ever remember who you are. No one will remember your name. Everything that you've done will just be credit to Big Boss and his legacy. Big Boss even thanks you for it, and tells you that you are doing a good job and together they are Big Boss. We all know this is a lie tho. Ocelot says that once the real Big Boss finish his true Outer Heaven, their allegiance will go to him and that there could be only one Big Boss. This heavily implies that he is going to try to kill Venom.
Kaz sees through this bull and vowed to take vengeance. Not only will he try to make Venom better than Big Boss, but his sons too so they can send him to hell.
Now usually loyalty will come to factor here. Venom should be loyal to Big Boss, so he should listen to his commander like a good soldier, right? Again think back why Big Boss leave America and Cipher? Through this exact same crap. This is similar to the events of Snake Eater. Big Boss was supposed to be loyal to his country, and he had to kill The Boss. However it was all covered with lies and deception. Instead of Venom killing The Boss, he kills himself in process of being a fake Big Boss. The government thanks Big Boss for killing The Boss. Big Boss thanks Venom for killing himself. This is hypocrisy. Big Boss is doing this as a means to an end, but he did something that he's initially against. He should be furious that Zero did this to HIS fellow soldiers like Zero did to him. Instead, he used you. He used the player. And Big Boss assumes that it would be a honor.
And Venom is different from Big Boss. Venom had the unfortunate burden to take on Big Boss memories. He felt sorry for them. He felt like a demon. He mentions it to Kaz. The problem is that his memories are NOT his own. He never did the stuff that Big Boss did, yet he is haunted by them. He isn't as hellbent on revenge like Kaz was, and was nicer. He tried to do the reasonable thing despite everything. If you see the nuke ending, Venom even interpretations The Boss will differently, striving for peace. Even his hallucination on Paz, it seems like he strives for Paz through her. The real Big Boss does NOT want peace. He wants constant war as well as defeating Cipher. He could be a lesser of two evils, but he does evil crap. Brainwashing kids in Metal Gear 2 to train to be soldiers in the future.
If anything, Kaz may have represent what would Big Boss would do at this time. Do you feel Big Boss would let Huey go despite his connections to Cipher after what they did to him?
And think about the comparison between Skullface and Venom. They are more alike than we thought. Both lost their face, their origins, name, and both became phantoms of Big Boss. While Skullface does cleanup work, Venom enhances Big Boss legacy. Both were going to be expendable. I think this is why you see the Venom turning Skullface in the trailers or Venom sees Skullface a couple of times after his death.
This all contribute to the ending of MGSV when Venom finds out the truth. Now this is my interpretation of the ending, and many people will have different conclusions after experiencing it. When Venom first sees his reflection, he still sees himself. Big Boss is giving a speech about how they can both shape the world as being Big Boss together and commenting about how he is his own man. Like predicted by Ocelot and Boss, you (the player) like the idea being Big Boss. Venom flips the tape to the Operation Intrude n313. Venom then looks at the mirror again. He no longer sees true self. He sees a fake. A phony. A constant reminder of what he is not. He is nothing but a decoy. His horn grew because he's done things that he is either ashamed of or anger has filled him. Regardless, he punched the mirror. He is angry at Big Boss. And possibly revenge has consumed him. Just like Kaz said at the end, he wants the phantom and his sons to become strong enough to kill Big Boss. This could be the thing that makes Venom snap. Being used by the person he admires the most.
tl;dr: Big Boss is an a$$hole and a hypocrite for letting Venom believes that he is him and he might try to kill you later on. And he let the patients and employees in the hospital die because they were "shields" for him to escape.
Imo, this is the perfect contrast between Big Boss and Solid Snake here. When Raiden was questioning his identity in MGS2, this is what Solid Snake said:
"The memories you have and the role you were assigned are burdens you have to carry. It doesn't matter if they were real or not. That's never the point. There's no such thing in the world as absolute reality. Most of what they call real is actually fiction. What you think you see is only as real as your brain tells you it is.
Listen, don't obsess over words so much. Find the meaning behind the words, then decide. You can find your own name. And your own future..I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time. But everything you felt, thought about during this mission is yours. And what you decide to do with them is your choice...
Yeah, a clean slate. A new name, new memories. Choose your own legacy. It's for you to decide. It's up to you."
Here is what Big Boss says to Venom:
"I cheated death thanks to you. And thanks to you I left my mark. You have too. You're your own man. I'm Big Boss, and you are too. No, where we are today, we build it. This story-this 'legend' it's ours. We can change the world and with it, the future. I am you and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you my friend. From here on out, you're Big Boss. "
That right there shows the difference. Solid Snake encourage Raiden to be his own man and and start his own legacy with his own name, despite the S3 plan trying to make him be Solid Snake and trying to make circumstances to create what he'll be. Big Boss tells Venom the complete opposite. The Patriots also mocked Raiden for using Solid Snake's words against him.
Telling him:
"Is that even your own idea or something Snake told you? That's the proof of your incompetence right there. You lack the qualifications to exercise free will."
Just replace the word Solid Snake with Big Boss.
And what's going in MGSV? A very similar thing. Your identity, your origins, your name is taken away. Everything that makes you independent is gone. The game even reflects this. The avatar that YOU created is gone before it even begin. All of your accomplishments is credit to Big Boss's legacy, not you. You live for one purpose only, to be a decoy. You are NOT Big Boss. Ask yourself, what would happen when Big Boss resurface? What would be Venom's purpose then? Ocelot hinted at it to Kaz at the end of the game. There could be only one Big Boss. There's only room for one Big Boss. This is heavily implies that Big Boss is going to kill you. Before Ocelot says this, Kaz said that he'll try to get the phantom and/or his sons to kill Big Boss.
Big Boss does not give Venom his own legacy. It's Big Boss's legacy. He says he is his own man, but he's not. He was made to be a decoy. If Big Boss wanted Venom to be his own man, he would've said what Solid Snake would say. Start a new path, find a new name, create his own legacy and decided for himself. But he did not say that. And the lies and deception is the exact reason why Big Boss left the USA in the first place.
So, why wouldn't Venom be pissed? When Venom punched the mirror, he stare intensely at his reflection. In the concrete is Big Boss. He is punching Big Boss. The music also reflects this. It's not a accepting music, it's a intense and angry music. As if he got betrayed. He got betrayed by the person who he admire most. This is my interpretation of it.
Think about it. The medic in MGSV probably admire Big Boss like the rest of his troops. He was basically their hero. When the medic sacrifice himself for Big Boss, that showed great dedication. Zero, in order to protect Big Boss, wanted to create a phantom or a decoy so Big Boss could survive. The medic was already expendable since that moment. Zero was essentially creating another Skullface. Taking away the medic face, identity, name, and origins away all for the sake of Big Boss.
He became Venom Snake. Since Venom is supposed to represent you, the player; you get to create your own avatar. What you are supposed to look like. You could spend a lot of time on it as you choose, but it doesn't matter. Your entire existence was erased. This is all messed up. This isn't right. And what did Big Boss and Ocelot do? They just went along with it. Ocelot even said that this is just your detour on your way to the hell, and just assumes that you would like playing the role as Big Boss for a while. They even said that they will use the patients and employees there as their shield to escape. What sort of hero does that? They knew that XOF was coming and they didn't say anything to the people there. The only reason why Big Boss saved you is because he needed you as a decoy.
This is all shady crap. And he did not tell Venom about this. Nobody told him about this until later. It's lies and deception. This is the exact reason why Big Boss left the USA and Zero. He left the USA because he was used, and left Zero because he did something without his consent. He's doing the exact same thing to you, the player. Through lies and deception, he allows you to believe that you are Big Boss, but you are a decoy. No one will ever remember who you are. No one will remember your name. Everything that you've done will just be credit to Big Boss and his legacy. Big Boss even thanks you for it, and tells you that you are doing a good job and together they are Big Boss. We all know this is a lie tho. Ocelot says that once the real Big Boss finish his true Outer Heaven, their allegiance will go to him and that there could be only one Big Boss. This heavily implies that he is going to try to kill Venom.
Kaz sees through this bull and vowed to take vengeance. Not only will he try to make Venom better than Big Boss, but his sons too so they can send him to hell.
Now usually loyalty will come to factor here. Venom should be loyal to Big Boss, so he should listen to his commander like a good soldier, right? Again think back why Big Boss leave America and Cipher? Through this exact same crap. This is similar to the events of Snake Eater. Big Boss was supposed to be loyal to his country, and he had to kill The Boss. However it was all covered with lies and deception. Instead of Venom killing The Boss, he kills himself in process of being a fake Big Boss. The government thanks Big Boss for killing The Boss. Big Boss thanks Venom for killing himself. This is hypocrisy. Big Boss is doing this as a means to an end, but he did something that he's initially against. He should be furious that Zero did this to HIS fellow soldiers like Zero did to him. Instead, he used you. He used the player. And Big Boss assumes that it would be a honor.
And Venom is different from Big Boss. Venom had the unfortunate burden to take on Big Boss memories. He felt sorry for them. He felt like a demon. He mentions it to Kaz. The problem is that his memories are NOT his own. He never did the stuff that Big Boss did, yet he is haunted by them. He isn't as hellbent on revenge like Kaz was, and was nicer. He tried to do the reasonable thing despite everything. If you see the nuke ending, Venom even interpretations The Boss will differently, striving for peace. Even his hallucination on Paz, it seems like he strives for Paz through her. The real Big Boss does NOT want peace. He wants constant war as well as defeating Cipher. He could be a lesser of two evils, but he does evil crap. Brainwashing kids in Metal Gear 2 to train to be soldiers in the future.
If anything, Kaz may have represent what would Big Boss would do at this time. Do you feel Big Boss would let Huey go despite his connections to Cipher after what they did to him?
And think about the comparison between Skullface and Venom. They are more alike than we thought. Both lost their face, their origins, name, and both became phantoms of Big Boss. While Skullface does cleanup work, Venom enhances Big Boss legacy. Both were going to be expendable. I think this is why you see the Venom turning Skullface in the trailers or Venom sees Skullface a couple of times after his death.
This all contribute to the ending of MGSV when Venom finds out the truth. Now this is my interpretation of the ending, and many people will have different conclusions after experiencing it. When Venom first sees his reflection, he still sees himself. Big Boss is giving a speech about how they can both shape the world as being Big Boss together and commenting about how he is his own man. Like predicted by Ocelot and Boss, you (the player) like the idea being Big Boss. Venom flips the tape to the Operation Intrude n313. Venom then looks at the mirror again. He no longer sees true self. He sees a fake. A phony. A constant reminder of what he is not. He is nothing but a decoy. His horn grew because he's done things that he is either ashamed of or anger has filled him. Regardless, he punched the mirror. He is angry at Big Boss. And possibly revenge has consumed him. Just like Kaz said at the end, he wants the phantom and his sons to become strong enough to kill Big Boss. This could be the thing that makes Venom snap. Being used by the person he admires the most.
tl;dr: Big Boss is an a$$hole and a hypocrite for letting Venom believes that he is him and he might try to kill you later on. And he let the patients and employees in the hospital die because they were "shields" for him to escape.
Imo, this is the perfect contrast between Big Boss and Solid Snake here. When Raiden was questioning his identity in MGS2, this is what Solid Snake said:
"The memories you have and the role you were assigned are burdens you have to carry. It doesn't matter if they were real or not. That's never the point. There's no such thing in the world as absolute reality. Most of what they call real is actually fiction. What you think you see is only as real as your brain tells you it is.
Listen, don't obsess over words so much. Find the meaning behind the words, then decide. You can find your own name. And your own future..I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time. But everything you felt, thought about during this mission is yours. And what you decide to do with them is your choice...
Yeah, a clean slate. A new name, new memories. Choose your own legacy. It's for you to decide. It's up to you."
Here is what Big Boss says to Venom:
"I cheated death thanks to you. And thanks to you I left my mark. You have too. You're your own man. I'm Big Boss, and you are too. No, where we are today, we build it. This story-this 'legend' it's ours. We can change the world and with it, the future. I am you and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you my friend. From here on out, you're Big Boss. "
That right there shows the difference. Solid Snake encourage Raiden to be his own man and and start his own legacy with his own name, despite the S3 plan trying to make him be Solid Snake and trying to make circumstances to create what he'll be. Big Boss tells Venom the complete opposite. The Patriots also mocked Raiden for using Solid Snake's words against him.
Telling him:
"Is that even your own idea or something Snake told you? That's the proof of your incompetence right there. You lack the qualifications to exercise free will."
Just replace the word Solid Snake with Big Boss.
And what's going in MGSV? A very similar thing. Your identity, your origins, your name is taken away. Everything that makes you independent is gone. The game even reflects this. The avatar that YOU created is gone before it even begin. All of your accomplishments is credit to Big Boss's legacy, not you. You live for one purpose only, to be a decoy. You are NOT Big Boss. Ask yourself, what would happen when Big Boss resurface? What would be Venom's purpose then? Ocelot hinted at it to Kaz at the end of the game. There could be only one Big Boss. There's only room for one Big Boss. This is heavily implies that Big Boss is going to kill you. Before Ocelot says this, Kaz said that he'll try to get the phantom and/or his sons to kill Big Boss.
Big Boss does not give Venom his own legacy. It's Big Boss's legacy. He says he is his own man, but he's not. He was made to be a decoy. If Big Boss wanted Venom to be his own man, he would've said what Solid Snake would say. Start a new path, find a new name, create his own legacy and decided for himself. But he did not say that. And the lies and deception is the exact reason why Big Boss left the USA in the first place.
So, why wouldn't Venom be pissed? When Venom punched the mirror, he stare intensely at his reflection. In the concrete is Big Boss. He is punching Big Boss. The music also reflects this. It's not a accepting music, it's a intense and angry music. As if he got betrayed. He got betrayed by the person who he admire most. This is my interpretation of it.