Official MCU Black Panther 2 Thread

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Uh he said, "Russos actually made a comic book accurate T'Challa and did better with Chadwick than Black people did with the BP IP. Thats facts."

There's nothing technical about this comment. Nice try though.

we are cool breh but ... the film structure in the Russo films was better. the shots (establishing, hero), the presentation of powers, the fights, effects. pacing.

all thsse things are technical aspects of film making and part and parcel of the presenatation and handling of a character in a film.

there is what, one hero shot of t'challa in BP (when he says "as you see I am not dead") and that was poorly done.

question: why are camera angles important?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

we are cool breh but ... the film structure in the Russo films was better. the shots (establishing, hero), the presentation of powers, the fights, effects. pacing.

all thsse things are technical aspects of film making and part and parcel of the presenatation and handling of a character in a film.

there is what, one hero shot of t'challa in BP (when he says "as you see I am not dead") and that was poorly done.

question: why are camera angles important?

I got plenty of thing I want to watch that I am not so sorry I'm not watching what you posted. But I will just say what is "technically better" doesn't always resonate with the masses. Just look at Hip Hop historically and what are the highest selling most played songs. Are they technically the best? No. It Is a matter if people like me who didn't go to film school's taste.
Dude said he was more "comic accurate" in CW yet he didn’t use his kinetic absorbing/Shockwave tech, matter of fact he didn't use any tech of the suit besides the retractable claws. So I completely disagree and I have good reason.

 

[King_Kamala61]

No, that's just your opinion actually.
And the guy I just quoted said uh, "The whole thing was kept simple and generic . . . " and instead of disagreeing and voicing your obviously opposite opinion you dapped him and said the creator needs to be beat up.

Do you care to debate this? I mean this in the most sincere nerd debates of friendly porportions.

Coogler does need to get beat up for this travesty.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Do you care to debate this? I mean this in the most sincere nerd debates of friendly porportions.

Coogler does need to get beat up for this travesty.

BP was a gigantic success commercially and won critic awards. You don't like it but generally people did so I think YOU need to beat him up. Otherwise it's not going to happen. lol

 

[Jazzy B.]

And there are people claiming the Russo's did a better job with BP. But now the intro was shytty and less than.

No where in what I said does it indicate that Black Panther had a shyty intro

I said Marvel kept things simple with the character in Civil War like T’Challa having a simple costume, and a simple in story in the movie.

Because obviously the plan would to be expand on that and other elements in the characters actual movie. They did not need to concoct any sort of mythology or go deep into anything with the character.

They just needed to put out the basic version of the character. Which is why it was kept as simple T’Challa is a supersoldier, who has a bulletproof suit, advanced tech, is one step ahead of everyone else and can go toe to toe with other Avengers. His father gets killed and he hunts the killer and doesn’t let anyone stop him nor does he answer to anyone. That’s T’Challa 101.

 

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BP was a gigantic success commercially and won critic awards. You don't like it but generally people did so I think YOU need to beat him up. Otherwise it's not going to happen. lol

nah breh but I'm not going to beef about it with you

on another note given what has happened in phase 4 so far I am starting to appreciate the boring paint-by-numbers but highly competent MCU directors like Reed, Derrickson and Watts a little bit more. they are not fantastic but they also don't make basic errors.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

No where in what I said does it indicate that Black Panther had a shyty intro

I said Marvel kept things simple with the character in Civil War like T’Challa having a simple costume, and a simple in story in the movie.

Because obviously the plan would to be expand on that and other elements in the characters actual movie. They did not need to concoct any sort of mythology or go deep into anything with the character.

They just needed to put out the basic version of the character. Which is why it was kept as simple T’Challa is a supersoldier, who has a bulletproof suit, advanced tech, is one step ahead of everyone else and can go toe to toe with other Avengers. His father gets killed and he hunts the killer and doesn’t let anyone stop him nor does he answer to anyone. That’s T’Challa 101.

There was barely any backstory and mythology established about Wakanda in Civil War.

They didn't even show you what it properly looked like or even explain where T'Challa's suit, powers and technology came from.

Design wise they just had T’Challa in a standard suit in and out of costume. They did not have multiple character designs like they do with Namor here.

Plot wise It was limited to; some people from Wakanda get killed, then the king is killed and the son of the king wants revenge.

The whole thing was kept simple and generic because they knew they were actually gonna make an actual Black Panther movie.

This movie on the other hand has Namor, his cousin, Atlanteans and even Namor’s primary arch villain. Then you’ve got them being given a mythology, backstory and culture. It’s essentially a Namor/Mexican superhero origin movie inside of a supposed Black Panther movie and black IP

No back story or mythology established.
Didn't show how he looked properly and no explanation of powers.
Plotwise it was limited.
"The whole thing was kept simple and generic"

^This is what you said and I was supposed to glean it was a positive intro from this?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

nah breh but I'm not going to beef about it with you

on another note given what has happened in phase 4 so far I am starting to appreciate the boring paint-by-numbers but highly competent MCU directors like Reed, Derrickson and Watts a little bit more. they are not fantastic but they also don't make basic errors.

 

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no beef month.

 

[Jazzy B.]

No back story or mythology established.
Didn't show how he looked properly and no explanation of powers.
Plotwise it was limited.
"The whole thing was kept simple and generic"

^This is what you said and I was supposed to glean it was a positive intro from this?

In the context of happening in a Captain America movie why would it be a negative?

Why would Anyone expect T’Challa and Wakanda to have a full detailed backstory and mythology established and crafted in a Captain America movie when they were gonna make a Black Panther movie right after?

This is my whole point about what they’re doing with Namor here in this movie. It’s like Marvel know they ain’t gonna make an actual Namor movie but want to make one, so said “let’s just do it in the black IP”

I mean they even have Namor’s arch Villain in this movie

 

[AnonymityX1000]

In the context of happening in a Captain America movie why would it be a negative?

Why would Anyone expect T’Challa and Wakanda to have a full detailed backstory and mythology established and crafted in a Captain America movie when they were gonna make a Black Panther movie right after?

This is my whole point about what they’re doing with Namor here in this movie. It’s like Marvel know they ain’t gonna make an actual Namor movie but want to make one, so said “let’s just do it in the black IP”

I mean they even have Namor’s arch Villain in this movie

I don't know, adjectives like limited, simple and generic which you used are why. If that's not what you were trying to do I understand.
Also, I think it would be better to wait to see what actually is in the movie before getting completely disgusted. Maybe everything presented didn't make the final cut.

 

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In the context of happening in a Captain America movie why would it be a negative?

Why would Anyone expect T’Challa and Wakanda to have a full detailed backstory and mythology established and crafted in a Captain America movie when they were gonna make a Black Panther movie right after?

This is my whole point about what they’re doing with Namor here in this movie. It’s like Marvel know they ain’t gonna make an actual Namor movie but want to make one, so said “let’s just do it in the black IP”

I mean they even have Namor’s arch Villain in this movie

might it be down to licensing. like how they cannot make a hulk movie but they can put hulk in other movies/shows - i.e. she hulk and ragnarok.

i remember that sub mariner was licensed out to someone else and am not sure that disney have it fully back yet.

this from 2020:

"Movie rights to Namor did belong to Universal, who acquired them in the 1990s. As of 2013, this was still the case, but in 2014, Kevin Feige offered an update on Namor when he said that Marvel, and not Universal, owned the rights to Namor; however, Feige also claimed that "entanglements" and "older contracts" prevented them from moving forward on a Namor film."

"If Universal stills holds distribution rights to Namor, there may be no Namor the Sub-Mariner film in the MCU anytime soon. His situation could be similar to the problem with the Hulk, if the deal between Marvel and Universal regarding Namor is the same as the Hulk deal. Hulk is in the MCU, but because the distribution rights belong to Universal, Marvel can't make a solo Hulk movie, which is why Hulk is limited to supporting roles in The Avengers movies and Thor: Ragnarok. There is no clear answer about the possibility of a Namor movie. The situation was described as "complicated" in 2018, but it's now 2020. Whether or not the issues with Namor are ongoing remains to be seen."

Namor Movie Rights Explained: What Marvel Can (& Can't) Do In MCU's Future

What can Marvel do with Namor the Sub-Mariner? The underwater character has yet to appear in the MCU because of a complicated movie rights situation.

screenrant.com

still doesn't mean that they should have done it in BP II tho

 

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[Lannister]

All I know is I want to see doom war on the big screen

In the middle of this culture war? nah, not without some changes.


Watching a White dictator waltz into an technologically advanced African kingdom and easily take control of it's resources is not the move in this current climate.

 

[King_Kamala61]

BP was a gigantic success commercially and won critic awards. You don't like it but generally people did so I think YOU need to beat him up. Otherwise it's not going to happen. lol

You do know in nature stupidity outnumbers the intelligent. Half the folks thst liked the film like trash entertainment and dont know jack bout cinema on the cool. They prolly read at a 3rd grade level and barely based Earth science.

This is purely anecdictal due to the area I was at, but the general consensus of the film that was loved at my past job, shows me that they all have sub IQs. Most havent even read book since HS or College, and even then it wasn't for consumption, it was for answers to homework.

I hated the movoe for more than its travesty of T'Challa. Its the psy ops of it, the cgi, the weak use of Man-Ape, and lacl of Bastet religion because they know negro love them summa jesus!