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Why did Christina give invulnerability back to Letti because she promised Ruby, if she was gonna kill Ruby anyway. Makes no sense.

The Jiah storyline had no real point to the over all story. It was clearly just a plot line like"how can we make this more weird". Her episode was good but all of that just for her to do that at the end was pointless.

They should have utilised Montrose better in the last scenes. Im still not sure if hes the shagot (sp?) that saved tic from the bullets in the street and Dee in the woods.

Also why were they showing that Cow giving birth to the Shagot when the Farmer called Christina too help deliver it in ep 2, to not explain it and delve deeper into their origins
 

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I've never had much of an attraction to blondes, if I am they need to have a certain look to them.
but....blondie on this, in fourth episode driving to Rihanna, looking like a villain is doing it for me.

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I loved the fourth episode but what the fukk is episode five though ?

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Ji-ah’s episode was probably the best one.

Jurnee and Majors had good chemistry.

Everything else I agree with.

The Montrose thing is just really dumb. Not him being gay, but giving him no redeeming values as a father to make Tic risking his life worth it.

It was a great episode, but it just wasn't needed. She was the only holdover from that episode, so it could've been used for so much more.
 

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It was a great episode, but it just wasn't needed. She was the only holdover from that episode, so it could've been used for so much more.
We just disagree

It was the only episode that gave any backstory/insight to Tic that didn’t involve his abusive father or bloodline.


Episode 4 was the one that needed reworking.
 

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To be honest. I’m not sure this Misha Green lady has the chops to run a show as headwriter.

The plotting of this series was sloppy. She’s talking about bringing in more races but her handling of Yahima and any non-female character was really bad.
Misha Green is dope, breh. Check out her last show, Underground. She definitely has the chops.
 

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Making him a “Jesus” figure undercuts Tic’s true value as a black man. The Son should NOT have to be sacrificed so that the sins of the Father can be washed away. Montrose didn’t really accomplish much of anything to be given that “chance”. Even though i personally liked how they utilized his sexuality and trauma as a means of character building and not just for the hell of it. He should not have been the one to take Tic’s place.
Sacrifice was for the next generation was laced throughout the story though. The grandmother could have escaped the house and gave her the book but didn't so George Jr. would be guaranteed safe. George Sr. died trying to get them out of Ardham. For Tic to escape and walk out as different would undercut what they were building.

George Jr. is the Kal-el figure in the story.

Montrose sexuality kind of undercut the story. I understand it how it was generation trauma passed down about how a "man should act" but the writers kind of messed up when he slit Yimena's throat and was acting a jerk to his boyfriend. He never actually came to terms with his queerness and didn't justify his violence to others.


Also as a minor nitpick, i thought the Ruby/Christina storyline wasn’t “strong” enough to warrant Ruby turning on Leti for even a SECOND. They even showed Ruby rejecting the “white” life earlier in the season. That was just a weird development that she’d need to be convinced to help her own pregnant sister no matter how selfish she’d been before.

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Ruby didn't turn on Leti. She made the request to not hurt her if she was going to sacrifice Tic cause she knew she would be there.

The truth is their dynamic never changed. That's what she was complaining about at the cemetery. Leti ask something of her and she acquiesced.
 

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Why did Christina give invulnerability back to Letti because she promised Ruby, if she was gonna kill Ruby anyway. Makes no sense.

That's Christina's character. She doesn't really lie. When Ruby asked her if she cared about Emmett Till, she said nah. When confronted about going to kill Tic. She said yeah.

She may obfuscate with the William-Christina or giving Leti the money to buy the house as her mother's inheritance. But she does keep her word.

The Jiah storyline had no real point to the over all story. It was clearly just a plot line like"how can we make this more weird". Her episode was good but all of that just for her to do that at the end was pointless.

Ji-ah was the only monster who was actually human. We'd seen racism, humans acting worse than monster, human's turned into monsters, monster's mindlessly killing. Magic used to hurt and abuse each other.

Ji-ah's story was the only time we got the idea magic/monsters could be good which set up the plot of what the ancestors also figured out.
 

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I just want to come here to say this show hates straight black men. Its ugly black women writing a show and taking out their anger on black men.

Think about it. Only one straight black man as a regular, because they killed off the other one and then made the other one a gay dude. Both Tig and his father are "toxic black men" who killed women in cold blood.

And then everyone else is a woman. Every single other character is a woman! The aunt, her daughter, the girlfriend, her sister, the white lady, the fox demon lady, the ancestor, the lady from the 30s, at any point they could have made any of these characters male. and they didn't. They actually changed them from male in the book to female on the show.

And left us with one straight black male who murders a woman in cold blood and calls his dad a gay slur.

Its not even hidden. They are obviously attacking us.
 

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I just want to come here to say this show hates straight black men. Its ugly black women writing a show and taking out their anger on black men.

Think about it. Only one straight black man as a regular, because they killed off the other one and then made the other one a gay dude. Both Tig and his father are "toxic black men" who killed women in cold blood.

And then everyone else is a woman. Every single other character is a woman! The aunt, her daughter, the girlfriend, her sister, the white lady, the fox demon lady, the ancestor, the lady from the 30s, at any point they could have made any of these characters male. and they didn't. They actually changed them from male in the book to female on the show.

And left us with one straight black male who murders a woman in cold blood and calls his dad a gay slur.

Its not even hidden. They are obviously attacking us.

Yeah, as one who read the book, it was obvious. There were enough strong female and male characters in the book, to not change any of them. And they all had their own arcs that didn't have anything to do with a relationship with the opposite sex, but from my interpretation, their own fears and desires. Hell, even Hippolyta's issues were more about her own insecurities.
 
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Sacrifice was for the next generation was laced throughout the story though. The grandmother could have escaped the house and gave her the book but didn't so George Jr. would be guaranteed safe. George Sr. died trying to get them out of Ardham. For Tic to escape and walk out as different would undercut what they were building.

Bullshyt.

At some point sacrifice has to END or all we’re doing as black people is suffering and dying. It becomes an endless loop of unrealized black potential. The sacrifices should have STOPPED with Tic. Tic was not the “Jor-El” of the story the great grandmother was. Tic was set up as the hero of this story. The one who was “special”. The one who carried the “chosen bloodline”. The only one who could understand the language of Adam. The one who survived a Korean Sex Monster. The one who was whisked into the future and given a book as a guide the one who saved his OWN future by protecting his young father against Crackers during a slaughter. The one who Uncle George died for. Tic should have found a way to win (beat white supremacy) and also raise HIS son alongside Leti as his wife (creating a new future of hope for a unified black family.) As it stands Tic dying just leaves another black boy to grow up without his father and gives a “second” chance to a character who didn’t earn it (Montrose).


Montrose sexuality kind of undercut the story. I understand it how it was generation trauma passed down about how a "man should act" but the writers kind of messed up when he slit Yimena's throat and was acting a jerk to his boyfriend. He never actually came to terms with his queerness and didn't justify his violence to others.

They did an “Ok” job explaining Montrose’s trauma, actually i’ll go ahead and say they did a GOOD job explaining it in episode 9. But as you said he didn’t do enough to earn redemption. I’m not against gay characters at all, I just don’t like when it feels like its tacked on to meet some pandering quota. Montrose (in my opinion) wasn’t quite a pandering character, but his arc didn’t warrant Tic dying as a sacrifice and him being granted surrogate father/grandmother to George Jr. there should have been a stronger reconciliation between Tic and Montrose in episode 10 and maybe even a REAL moment of emotional honesty between him and his lover. But as it stands it wasn’t enough. Not for Tic to die.





Ruby didn't turn on Leti. She made the request to not hurt her if she was going to sacrifice Tic cause she knew she would be there.

What i’m speaking of was Ruby turning on Leti by proxy of turning on Tic earlier (episode 8 was it?) while knowing Tic was Leti’s child’s father. By all accounts, Tic, Leti, and Ruby all grew up together and have known each other for YEARS prior to the events of the series. Ruby should have a sense of kinship and understanding of Tic to know that essentially this is a good man. Tic is who Emmet Till (Who she was oh so devastated about a few episodes earlier) could have grown up to be. She also knows that a strange gender shaping white woman has it out for him. And she was so quick to take the WHITE WOMAN’S side at first, even having experienced life as a white woman and rejecting it. That makes no sense given that the black people she was turning her back on were of her DIRECT community, people she knew personally, and the father of her SISTER’S unborn child.

The truth is their dynamic never changed. That's what she was complaining about at the cemetery. Leti ask something of her and she acquiesced.


I understand the dynamic angle. But again, it just seems like weak writing that Ruby would even consider sticking with the evil white woman over her family. No matter how manipulative Leti may have been, she never transformed into a man, fukked her, and then threatened the life of the her child’s father. Thats some all time sick shyt. And Christina’s whole “Women in a Man’s World” shtick never rang as authentic to me, so I didn’t see how that philosophy could have been used to so easily seduce Ruby.


Christina all in all was weak written character. And maybe the actress sucked too but I never found her convincing as this grand manipulator nor did I ever think that SHE herself believed that “Us Girls Are In It Together” bullshyt.
 
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