Official Lovecraft Country Thread

[Jchr is]

About the gay angle.. Montrose character flaws and choices/decisions as a closeted homosexual inevitably literally births the story of the protagonist Tic.. his homo arc is lowkey essential to the story. think about it: Montrose and George along with tic’s mother being saved by “future” tick was ALL because of Thomas.. Montrose’s lover. Thomas’s death and their attack in that street turned montrose into the man he is.. the father he is to Tic (which brings trauma that shapes him as the main protagonist). The show wouldn’t exist if they had all burned up in that fire. the prophesy or Tic is being fulfilled because Montrose went to break up with his lover after receiving the ass whooping of a lifetime.. This isn’t a shoehorn.. Montrose’s arc is intently woven within the fabric of the main timeline on purpose. The writer is exploring uncharted territory in the writing as far as that arc is concerned. the way she breaks down the familial bonds w/the gay layer. especially between a black father and son. that dynamic just isn’t explored in media. There’s a certain intention about this show. It’s uncomfortable to watch sometimes (episode5)
But.. I get it.

It makes his character so much deeper than black drunk abusive father. Yet because the man sus, and nikkas ain't secure enough in they sexuality they get mad and don't even look at this shyt that way. I like your take bruv.

 

[JayStarwind]

About the gay angle.. Montrose character flaws and choices/decisions as a closeted homosexual inevitably literally births the story of the protagonist Tic.. his homo arc is lowkey essential to the story. think about it: Montrose and George along with tic’s mother being saved by “future” tick was ALL because of Thomas.. Montrose’s lover. Thomas’s death and their attack in that street turned montrose into the man he is.. the father he is to Tic (which brings trauma that shapes him as the main protagonist). The show wouldn’t exist if they had all burned up in that fire. the prophesy or Tic is being fulfilled because Montrose went to break up with his lover after receiving the ass whooping of a lifetime.. This isn’t a shoehorn.. Montrose’s arc is intently woven within the fabric of the main timeline on purpose. The writer is exploring uncharted territory in the writing as far as that arc is concerned. the way she breaks down the familial bonds w/the gay layer. especially between a black father and son. that dynamic just isn’t explored in media. There’s a certain intention about this show. It’s uncomfortable to watch sometimes (episode5)
But.. I get it.

So you're saying the writers actually had a plan with Montrose's storyline?
No way but some posters told me different.

In regards to episode 5 - "All of this shyt is pointless. They wrote it in here just because. tHis iSnT eVeN iN tHe bOok"

 

[lightskin jermaine]

Another fire episode. I don't know if I can take a Tulsa massacre movie

 

[JayStarwind]

I wasn't feeling the swift pacing in the beginning of the ep. Everything after the portal jump was dope. Leti looked incredibly awkward in her 20s getup.

When Granny came to that realization that they weren't going to make it

Montrose's father giving him an azz whooping out in the yard for everybody to see

Young Uncle George

Tic is the stranger with the bat

 

[gldnone913]

Montrose was a gay black boy in 1921 and a gay black man in the 40’s in a hyper masculine society that he had to navigate. That is a interesting story mixed in with all the other great stuff in this story. I’m as straight as they come but why do y’all act like gay black people haven’t existed since the beginning of history

Montrose is a tragic character. Abused as a kid, had to live closeted and may not be the father of his "son". That's a lot of shyt to put on a character's shoulders. It's not surprising he beat on Atticus real tough and was a shytty pops....he was a reflection of all the shyt he experienced. Wonder if they wanted the character to be portrayed as duplicitous and sneaky, because every time I see him on screen, I see a someone hiding shyt. In the last episode, he didn't tell his damn son that he had dyslexia....not sure how that wouldn't have come up while Tic was growing up. shyt, even Tic holding shyt back....didn't tell Leti he went to the future. Like father like son

 

[GoldenGlove]

Montrose was a gay black boy in 1921 and a gay black man in the 40’s in a hyper masculine society that he had to navigate. That is a interesting story mixed in with all the other great stuff in this story. I’m as straight as they come but why do y’all act like gay black people haven’t existed since the beginning of history

I understand all of this. It's an interesting story among many in the series. Now after watching it for 9 episodes, we realize that it isn't just an interesting story or a piece of the story and perspective, it's the focal point and linchpin of it all.

While interesting and real, it's taking away from a lot of other themes that they have been boomeranging all throughout this series.

 

[JayStarwind]

While interesting and real, it's taking away from a lot of other themes that they have been boomeranging all throughout this series.

Like?

 

[DoubleClutch]

Watchmen just showed people being dragged by cars and brutalized within the opening scene. You get no insight into the people there any whatsoever. How is that a great exploration? I say this does a way better job because you see the before along with insight into the people in the city and you see Black People defending themselves and not just being hapless victims, as is what they showed with Watchmen

I just think watchmen was more realistic. Lovecraft had a lot of other stuff going on story wise that took away from it

That said I can’t wait to see Russell Westbrook documentary on Tulsa

 

[Rollie Forbes]

About the gay angle.. Montrose character flaws and choices/decisions as a closeted homosexual inevitably literally births the story of the protagonist Tic.. his homo arc is lowkey essential to the story. think about it: Montrose and George along with tic’s mother being saved by “future” tick was ALL because of Thomas.. Montrose’s lover. Thomas’s death and their attack in that street turned montrose into the man he is.. the father he is to Tic (which brings trauma that shapes him as the main protagonist). The show wouldn’t exist if they had all burned up in that fire. the prophesy or Tic is being fulfilled because Montrose went to break up with his lover after receiving the ass whooping of a lifetime.. This isn’t a shoehorn.. Montrose’s arc is intently woven within the fabric of the main timeline on purpose. The writer is exploring uncharted territory in the writing as far as that arc is concerned. the way she breaks down the familial bonds w/the gay layer. especially between a black father and son. that dynamic just isn’t explored in media. There’s a certain intention about this show. It’s uncomfortable to watch sometimes (episode5)
But.. I get it.

Well said.

 

[I AM WE ARE]

honestly this episode hit my heart to the point of tears. seeing montrose get beat like that by his pops and the generational curse and learned behavior ON TOP OF the race riot that happened i just went and hugged my kids and told them i loved them

 

[GoldenGlove]

Like?

I think they've executed the racism and horror episodes the best.

The magic and fantasy stuff has been ok. The science fiction elements have been far and in between. Outside of the time traveling episode and the pilot episode we haven't seen much.

Feminism or homosexuality have been pretty consistently depicted throughout, which isn't surprising when you look at the team of writers.

 

[skylove4]

Montrose is a tragic character. Abused as a kid, had to live closeted and may not be the father of his "son". That's a lot of shyt to put on a character's shoulders. It's not surprising he beat on Atticus real tough and was a shytty pops....he was a reflection of all the shyt he experienced. Wonder if they wanted the character to be portrayed as duplicitous and sneaky, because every time I see him on screen, I see a someone hiding shyt. In the last episode, he didn't tell his damn son that he had dyslexia....not sure how that wouldn't have come up while Tic was growing up. shyt, even Tic holding shyt back....didn't tell Leti he went to the future. Like father like son

True he also sliced that zombie Indian lady’s throat too on some sneaky ass shyt

 

[TheGodling]

I know there is a lot to digest in this ep but Ruby talking about Christina as white female Jesus is

And they actually went with gas explosion to explain all the cop deaths last episode.

Other than that the episode was good, I actually thought Montrose was going to be the mysterious stranger and sacrifice himself to save his younger self but I guess it makes sense for his and Tic's story to come full circle.

Could have done without the extended focus on watching Tic's grandmom burn to death, that was just exploitative and graphic. Sometimes the strength is in the subtlety, they should have just focused entirely on Letti breaking down watching it happen but I don't really think Jurnee is a good enough actress to have pulled that off well.

 

[Bmezy]

It makes his character so much deeper than black drunk abusive father. Yet because the man sus, and nikkas ain't secure enough in they sexuality they get mad and don't even look at this shyt that way. I like your take bruv.

Misha is definitely presenting some ‘stacked’ supporting characters.. Nuanced, complex, flawed and human. You can tell she’s deeply invested in portraying corners of black society that never get the spotlight. The montrose-tic story is one I don’t think I’ve ever seen on premium cable. Not in this layered portrayal from a black household. I think it’s suppose to make you feel uncomfortable. someone knows about the child that gets it the worst from his father because he’s seen as different and mango. We know about the don’t ask don’t tell concerning that one family member. The overcompensating DL mf that’s always trying to act hard.. these are all things we as a community keep on the hush. There’s an obvious push for these stories to be told. I’ll give the directors, writers And producers one thing. they’re ambitious asf.

 

[Jchr is]

Misha is definitely presenting some ‘stacked’ supporting characters.. Nuanced, complex, flawed and human. You can tell she’s deeply invested in portraying corners of black society that never get the spotlight. The montrose-tic story is one I don’t think I’ve ever seen on premium cable. Not in this layered portrayal from a black household. I think it’s suppose to make you feel uncomfortable. someone knows about the child that gets it the worst from his father because he’s seen as different and mango. We know about the don’t ask don’t tell concerning that one family member. The overcompensating DL mf that’s always trying to act hard.. these are all things we as a community keep on the hush. There’s an obvious push for these stories to be told. I’ll give the directors, writers And producers one thing. they’re ambitious asf.

It's what gets missed because we've been robbed of this type of intricacy for the general style of story and pandering in our entertainment. That and the sci-fi/horror aspects have been really good at feeding the allegory as well as the function and why I enjoy it. I really hope once they aren't tied to the book as heavy they are able to really let loose and explore more aspects the first season is laying down because they've been able to take the source material and really grow beyond it much like the boys on amazon. Hopefully we get more cosmic space style but the dread in that shyt is heavy and the subject matter this season might drain some folks if they really take it there.