Official Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Collapse Thread...They're absolutely FU&KED!!!

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I mean I am not sure much has changed.............

Like I said, full of shyt. How can you know what anyone living under a theocracy that kills dissenters really wants? These are not democracies; the people in power do not represent the will of the people.

1. The AVERAGE saudi, while oppressed, lives a life antithetical to western values. Hell, the average arab does. Not everywhere is Lebanon or Egypt. Theres a reason Europe has this sexual assault problem, and it DOES exist so miss me with that "islamophobic" bullshyt talk. Its about culture and ideas and behavior.

2. I never said that the people were lock-step with their rulers, but the lack of a real opposition, no matter how difficult, speaks to the degree of complacency considering how many wealthy people are there. This isn't North Korea...if there was a real basis for an opposition to be funded and supported, it would have happened.
 

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1. The AVERAGE saudi, while oppressed, lives a life antithetical to western values. Hell, the average arab does. Not everywhere is Lebanon or Egypt. Theres a reason Europe has this sexual assault problem, and it DOES exist so miss me with that "islamophobic" bullshyt talk. Its about culture and ideas and behavior.

2. I never said that the people were lock-step with their rulers, but the lack of a real opposition, no matter how difficult, speaks to the degree of complacency considering how many wealthy people are there. This isn't North Korea...if there was a real basis for an opposition to be funded and supported, it would have happened.
Like u gleefully point out, these people dont have a functioning army. And I would hardly call a country where the median per capita GDP is $24K as being full of wealthy people- especially when much of that income is subsidized, and the entity this opposition would be going up against is sitting on a $2T IPO, with billions of actual cash and shooters from all over the region on deck. Stop being stupid. If uprisings were easy the Confederacy would have won; China would be a democracy and there would be no dictatorships. The mere existence of bad govts != the will of the governed, though it's pretty obvious how that fallacy plays into your narrative
 

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I mean I am not sure much has changed.............

I think a huge change is the mass of information. Gone are the days of people's only source of information being domestic radio and TV which the govt controlled.

They tried to ban satellite TV in the 90s because it was beaming Western filth into Saudi homes but people still had them discreetly on the roofs.

Now with the web it's a free for all....twitter, FB, IG :wow: They lost that fight. Saudis are now able to see how the rest of the world lives and compare it with their own situations.

Add to that the 200k+ studying abroad annually in mainly western institutions coming back with raised expectations. Girls with foreign driving licences realising they can't drive in their own countries. Graduates coming back to no jobs and exposure to Western thought.

They have serious problems :wow:
 

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Like u gleefully point out, these people dont have a functioning army. And I would hardly call a country where the median per capita GDP is $24K as being full of wealthy people- especially when much of that income is subsidized, and the entity this opposition would be going up against is sitting on a $2T IPO, with billions of actual cash and shooters from all over the region on deck. Stop being stupid. If uprisings were easy the Confederacy would have won; China would be a democracy and there would be no dictatorships. The mere existence of bad govts != the will of the governed, though it's pretty obvious how that fallacy plays into your narrative
Ill take the opinions of saudi dissidents over yours when it comes to the pervasive nature of the ideas of even the lowest citizens
 

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I think a huge change is the mass of information. Gone are the days of people's only source of information being domestic radio and TV which the govt controlled.

They tried to ban satellite TV in the 90s because it was beaming Western filth into Saudi homes but people still had them discreetly on the roofs.

Now with the web it's a free for all....twitter, FB, IG :wow: They lost that fight. Saudis are now able to see how the rest of the world lives and compare it with their own situations.

Add to that the 200k+ studying abroad annually in mainly western institutions coming back with raised expectations. Girls with foreign driving licences realising they can't drive in their own countries. Graduates coming back to no jobs and exposure to Western thought.

They have serious problems :wow:
I just listened to this talk at the CFR



Basically apparently shyt like TOR and other piece of "open source" software are being seen by some countries as tools of "private industry" to undermine the governments of other countries...the Chinese ain't stupid...neither is Iran or KSA :whoo:

And don't forget that our universities are also a great seed of foreign planning by way of psychology...we influence the world through that alone. Its very subtle.
 

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Damn, wish I could rep you again breh, lot of ACTUAL knowledge and history on the region, instead of tweets and Islamophobic propaganda :salute:

So basically the Shaikhs have the Sauds hostage like those London dudes had JR and Juelz? Sauds have us behind them, why don't they just say 'FLLLLLLLUCK YALL WAHHABI nikkaS"..... surely they have to see the Shaikhs are leading them down a path towards destruction no?

Many of the religious faction support ISIS and Al Qaeda. They are the ones that send money to them. The thing the royal family can antagonize them because they would turn their weapons against them. So if the religious faction say the royal family is Kuffar than they will turn to jihadist groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda. In that scenario you have a bloody civil war. Pakistan would come into the royal families aid. Iran incite the shia in the east. Yeah its a mess. That is what the royal family fear. It is a real life game of thrones. In all their future isnt bright.
 

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The problem they have is that the current consensus is based on generous govt handouts in exchange of lack of political rights for the citizen. So your average Saudi could expect free govt education..even post grad....a cushy govt job and tax free income. A lot of key essentials like energy, milk, bread, water etc were subisised so the cost of living was :wow: But it costs huge money.

Now imagine the same people who have given up all these rights are told that the govt is reneging on it's part of the bargain. The Al Saud don't want to find out what the ppl's reaction will be. Unlike the West where a govt can institute austerity..the lack of legitimacy of the Saudi govt means they would rather find alternative means of raising funds.

@Din0can they can't cut ''wahhabi'' funds because the country is built on the alliance between the conservatives and the Al Sauds. The conservatives back the Al Saud as long as they institute Wahhabism at home and propagate it abroad. They don't want to upset them too much. There are a lot of frustrated young men who are waiting for the greenlight.


Did you guys know that Saudi Arabia was actually more liberal back in the day?

They had casinos...

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Western dressed women working on the national airlines

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Then disaffected CRAZY extremists took over the Grand Mosque in Mecca and called for the overthrow of the Al Saud govt. Grand Mosque seizure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They had to call in the French to end the siege and since that time have erred on the side of extreme conservatism.

:ohh:

Those cuties :wow:

Always thought SA was repressive.... empower religious extremists brehs


Their so screwed :laff:
 

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The greatest privilege of my life would be riding into Riyadh on one of the first convoys liberating the Saudis and the middle east from these despots. :wow:
 

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We need American austerity, instead of fools being promised Disneyland vacations by snake oil salesmen. Let a Jew stop printing money, kids here'll be hopping roofs for bread like Aladdin.
 

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Saudi Prince Says Kingdom Working to Soften Blow of Subsidy Cuts - Bloomberg
Saudi Arabia will limit the impact of subsidy cuts on its citizens as the world’s largest oil exporter overhauls its economy for the post-oil era, Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman said.

The government is developing a mechanism to provide cash to low- and middle-income Saudis who rely on subsidies, Prince Mohammed said in an interview on Thursday at King Salman’s private farm in Diriyah, the original home of the Al Saud royal family. Under the previous system, 70 percent of the subsidies benefited high income people, he said.

Source: Saudi Arabia’s Royal Court
"We don’t want to change the life of the average Saudi,” the prince said. “We want to exert pressure on wealthy people, those who use resources extensively.”

Past rulers of Saudi Arabia have largely avoided seeking additional revenue from the public, which has grown accustomed to government largess in exchange for political loyalty. A survey released this month found that 86 percent of Saudi youth think electricity and fuel should be subsidized by the government, and last month’s water price increase led to a flurry of complaints reported in local media.

Non-Oil Revenue
As producers from Oman to Venezuela feel the pinch in global energy markets, Saudi Arabia has raised prices for gasoline, electricity and water to rein in spending. Including future cuts, the subsidy restructuring is expected to generate $30 billion a year by 2020, part of a broader plan to raise non-oil revenue by $100 billion to reduce the kingdom’s reliance on crude.

The prince also suggested that cash handouts may reduce consumption should people have to pay market prices for their utilities.





"Let’s say the international price for electricity is 1,000 riyals and you only pay 50, we will give you the 1,000 riyals and increase the price of electricity," he said. "You will have two options: You either spend the 1,000 on electricity bills like you used to, or you can lower your electricity consumption and use it on something else."

While higher gasoline and electricity prices were implemented without affecting ordinary citizens, the new water tariff was applied in an "unsatisfactory" way that will be rectified, the prince said.

Post-Oil Era
"Honestly speaking, what happened wasn’t in accordance with the plan that we’ve approved," he said. "Now, we are working diligently on reforms within the water ministry so that things will be in accordance with the agreed plan," he said, without providing details.

Prince Mohammed, who is the king’s son and second-in-line to the throne, is leading the biggest shake-up of the economy since Saudi Arabia’s founding. The kingdom will announce its vision for the future in the post-oil era on April 25, the prince said.

One component will be the National Transformation Program, to be announced a month to 45 days after the vision, which focuses on ways to boost economic growth, create jobs, attract investors and hold government offices more accountable. The plan to transform Saudi Aramco from an oil company into an energy and industrial conglomerate, as well as the future of the Public Investment Fund, will also be included, he said

Taboos
Other Gulf nations, including Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, are also scaling back subsidies and other welfare payments to cope with declining oil revenue.

Saudi officials say that low crude prices have allowed the government to push through reforms that would have been taboo when prices were high.






"We have our own programs that don’t need high oil prices," Prince Mohammed said.

Still, oil revenue made up 73 percent of government revenue in 2015. As the oil price slump pressured state finances last year, net foreign assets held by the central bank declined by $115 billion, while the benchmark Tadawul All Share Index tumbled 17 percent.

Budget Revamp
The International Monetary Fund predicted in October that if the status quo held, Saudi Arabia risked draining its financial reserves in five years. The budget deficit ballooned last year to nearly $100 billion, equivalent to about 15 percent of economic output.

The government has revamped the way it plans the budget, Minister of State Mohammad Al-Sheikh said in an interview last month. Previously, budget planners looked first at revenue, before deciding on spending. The government was overspending by an average 25 to 30 percent a year, he said.

"This year, we kind of reverse-engineered the process where we started with the expense side and focused on that," he said. "Then we see how are we going to fund that through the various revenue sources."

With the new process in place, Al-Sheikh said Saudi Arabia will be able to sustain spending growth of 3 to 5 percent a year, with the budget balanced by 2020, he said.

Prince Mohammed said his concern over the kingdom’s fiscal policy started before the plunge in crude prices.

"Most concerning was when oil prices went up to over $100 and we started increasing our spending as if it will continue to stay over $100,” he said. “This is when I started to be concerned. When they went up, we should not have increased our spending. We should have used this to fund future programs.”

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they're fukked :dead:
 
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