Official Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Collapse Thread...They're absolutely FU&KED!!!
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Bruh...I told you to read "The Prize" by Daniel Yergin and you whined and moanedDamn, wish I could rep you again breh, lot of ACTUAL knowledge and history on the region, instead of tweets and Islamophobic propaganda
So basically the Shaikhs have the Sauds hostage like those London dudes had JR and Juelz? Sauds have us behind them, why don't they just say 'FLLLLLLLUCK YALL WAHHABI nikkaS"..... surely they have to see the Shaikhs are leading them down a path towards destruction no?
Theres an official 8 hour documentary version of the book that i'd recommend too:
Oh, and @Trajan probably read The Looming Tower or something... @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! don't give him THAT much credit.
Theres tons of books on the matter...its not that unknown.
It IS dope to see more people with the basic knowledge though....a long way we've come from 9/11.
Theres tons of books on the matter...its not that unknown.
It IS dope to see more people with the basic knowledge though....a long way we've come from 9/11.
Bruh...I told you to read "The Prize" by Daniel Yergin and you whined and moaned
Theres an official 8 hour documentary version of the book that i'd recommend too:
Any recommendations you make are
, your state of mind is caustic and cancerous....If someone else with a non-propagandist, respectable take on the ME cosigns them I will give them a look.
The Prize is THE STANDARD HISTORY of the Oil Industry and Petro-Politics.Any recommendations you make are
If someone else with a non-propagandist, respectable take on the ME cosigns them I will give them a look.
The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Your loss.
Trajan
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Damn, wish I could rep you again breh, lot of ACTUAL knowledge and history on the region, instead of tweets and Islamophobic propaganda
So basically the Shaikhs have the Sauds hostage like those London dudes had JR and Juelz? Sauds have us behind them, why don't they just say 'FLLLLLLLUCK YALL WAHHABI nikkaS"..... surely they have to see the Shaikhs are leading them down a path towards destruction no?
LOL @ the bolded.
The Al Sauds just want power. They aren't there half the time to put up with the BS anyway. They vacay in multiple European capitals throughout the year while their money stacks
.Nah breh they can't. If they say fukk you to the same people providing them with RELIGIOUS legitimacy in a country like Saudi Arabia it's
.The schools have always been based heavily around Wahhabism and the population grew up in that environment...now imagine the Grand Mufti and the whole religious establishment is telling you that the Al Saud are kaffirs 
Americans are not saving them from the aftermath. Let's not forget, Wahhabism is very convenient for them because they use it as cover for alot of their fukkery.
Drivers disobeying traffic rules? Call in the Grand Mufti to declare it Unislamic.
Driver alerts of Saher cameras ‘un-Islamic’
Want more troops? Call in the Grand Mufti.
Saudi cleric calls for military conscription
Worried about youths joining ISIS and coming back to wage war on Al Saudi? Call in the Grand Mufti to declare it Unislamic.
Grand mufti says Daesh un-Islamic
Besides this, a lot of Saudis are conervative even without being religious. Meaning these guys were bedouins a generation ago (oil wealth didn't really kick in until the 1980s) and are big on tradition. It will be huge shock for them to just break with the past. This is why the late King Abdullah was a big supporter of women's right to drive but couldn't do much about it. He broached the subject gingerly but didn't really push anything.
Breh Saudi Arabia is so interesting. shyt is like Game of Thrones to me.
Trajan
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Oh, and @Trajan probably read The Looming Tower or something... @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! don't give him THAT much credit.
Theres tons of books on the matter...its not that unknown.
It IS dope to see more people with the basic knowledge though....a long way we've come from 9/11.
This nikka.
So basically this:LOL @ the bolded.
The Al Sauds just want power. They aren't there half the time to put up with the BS anyway. They vacay in multiple European capitals throughout the year while their money stacks
Nah breh they can't. If they say fukk you to the same people providing them with RELIGIOUS legitimacy in a country like Saudi Arabia it's
Americans are not saving them from the aftermath. Let's not forget, Wahhabism is very convenient for them because they use it as cover for alot of their fukkery.
Drivers disobeying traffic rules? Call in the Grand Mufti to declare it Unislamic.
Driver alerts of Saher cameras ‘un-Islamic’
Want more troops? Call in the Grand Mufti.
Saudi cleric calls for military conscription
Worried about youths joining ISIS and coming back to wage war on Al Saudi? Call in the Grand Mufti to declare it Unislamic.
Grand mufti says Daesh un-Islamic
Besides this, a lot of Saudis are conervative even without being religious. Meaning these guys were bedouins a generation ago (oil wealth didn't really kick in until the 1980s) and are big on tradition. It will be huge shock for them to just break with the past. This is why the late King Abdullah was a big supporter of women's right to drive but couldn't do much about it. He broached the subject gingerly but didn't really push anything.
Breh Saudi Arabia is so interesting. shyt is like Game of Thrones to me.
Trajan
Veteran
So basically this:
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I don't get the context of the video. He's supposed to be a Saudi who wants to bring democracy?
The Al Sauds aint gonna share power breh. The Middle East isn't known for constitutional monarchies. It's all or nothing. Word to Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi.
They have perfected the carrot and the stick. If you can't be bought you'll get your head buss bwoy.
Besides, most young Saudis don't want democracy. They just want a fine tuning of the current system (maybe more rights) rather than an overhaul of the whole system.
A Kingdom's Future: Saudi Arabia Through the Eyes of Its Twentysomethings
@ThreeLetterAgency, learn something instead of throwing rocks nikka.
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Breh :scumbag:
We are talking about a theocracy that brands political dissenters as terrorists (which Im pretty sure is a capital offense)
I think I read recently KSA is mulling making not being Muslim a crime
Who is going to go on the record to speak against the govt in such an environment
This issue in particular is how I know @ThreeLetterAgency is so full of shyt, it's unbelievable. He goes on and on about "soft power" and the how the implications of use of force help grease the skids.... but he can't see how a govt that actively kills/jails/flogs political/religious dissenters can have a populace that is "complicit" to its nefarious ways. If the implication of possible force makes people agree with you imagine what killing people who disagree will do
It's less the "carrot and stick" and more the "if you don't comply with our laws and beliefs we will have a problem nikka
"Breh :scumbag:
We are talking about a theocracy that brands political dissenters as terrorists (which Im pretty sure is a capital offense)
I think I read recently KSA is mulling making not being Muslim a crime
Who is going to go on the record to speak against the govt in such an environment
This issue in particular is how I know @ThreeLetterAgency is so full of shyt, it's unbelievable. He goes on and on about "soft power" and the how the implications of use of force help grease the skids.... but he can't see how a govt that actively kills/jails/flogs political/religious dissenters can have a populace that is "complicit" to its nefarious ways. If the implication of possible force makes people agree with you imagine what killing people who disagree will do
It's less the "carrot and stick" and more the "if you don't comply with our laws and beliefs we will have a problem nikka
Who said I didn't understand this?
You have this pervasive tendency to put words in my mouth as if you understand anything about what it is that I actually believe.
Trajan
Veteran
Breh :scumbag:
We are talking about a theocracy that brands political dissenters as terrorists (which Im pretty sure is a capital offense)
I think I read recently KSA is mulling making not being Muslim a crime
Who is going to go on the record to speak against the govt in such an environment
Lol I hear that.
But the report is by the Wilson Center and I believe it was anonymous. They weren't in any danger.
Also, contrary to popular belief KSA is not exactly North Korea. People say all types of shyt openly. In fact quite recently they were mocking and dissing a Prince on twitter with their bare faces on the display and some had their real names as their handles. As long as they don't overstep the mark (campaign and demonstrate for democracy) they're good.
I think what some of them realise and perhaps what we haven't appreciated is that they know they have no history of democracy or even civil institutions. Political parties will be along tribal lines and the bigger tribes will dominate. They might even duke it out for the $2trn Aramco windfall
. For a lot, the Al Sauds are the compromise. All tribes eat under them.Prior to the modern Saudi state alot of the bigger tribes had a client/patron relationship with the smaller tribes and exploited them. They were literally at the mercy of the more powerful tribes.
Well arguably...the fact is that
1. this video is a reference to your point about the last king being a "moderate"...whatever that means
2. these big leaders were installed to quell uppity do-gooders who would have actually helped their people.
The Mid-East in the 50s and 60s WAS going the route of constitutional monarchies and democracies had the West not intervened...but here we are regardless.
and I have never disagreed with the notion that saudis want a western way of life. They're fundamentally incompatible with us.
Oman sitting over here likeLol I hear that.
But the report is by the Wilson Center and I believe it was anonymous. They weren't in any danger.
Also, contrary to popular belief KSA is not exactly North Korea. People say all types of shyt openly. In fact quite recently they were mocking and dissing a Prince on twitter with their bare faces on the display and some had their real names as their handles. As long as they don't overstep the mark (campaign and demonstrate for democracy) they're good.
I think what some of them realise and perhaps what we haven't appreciated is that they know they have no history of democracy or even civil institutions. Political parties will be along tribal lines and the bigger tribes will dominate. They might even duke it out for the $2trn Aramco windfall
Prior to the modern Saudi state alot of the bigger tribes had a client/patron relationship with the smaller tribes and exploited them. They were literally at the mercy of the more powerful tribes.
Brokering Iran deals
Brokering releases of US Soldiers
I mean I am not sure much has changed.............Lol I hear that.
But the report is by the Wilson Center and I believe it was anonymous. They weren't in any danger.
Also, contrary to popular belief KSA is not exactly North Korea. People say all types of shyt openly. In fact quite recently they were mocking and dissing a Prince on twitter with their bare faces on the display and some had their real names as their handles. As long as they don't overstep the mark (campaign and demonstrate for democracy) they're good.
I think what some of them realise and perhaps what we haven't appreciated is that they know they have no history of democracy or even civil institutions. Political parties will be along tribal lines and the bigger tribes will dominate. They might even duke it out for the $2trn Aramco windfall
Prior to the modern Saudi state alot of the bigger tribes had a client/patron relationship with the smaller tribes and exploited them. They were literally at the mercy of the more powerful tribes.
Like I said, full of shyt. How can you know what anyone living under a theocracy that kills dissenters really wants? These are not democracies; the people in power do not represent the will of the people.